What is the USA doing anymore? Can't tailgate?

[akarunway 1]

At the fuckin Super Bowl. I guess they just want you to work pay taxes and stay at home anymore. Gotta keep you safe don't ya know http://cbs4.com/sports/local_story_025154548.html

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If caught grilling or consuming alcohol within that one-mile radius of Dolphins Stadium...

This has got to be a parody. NFL doesn't have the power to declare three square miles alcohol-free. It's not their property!

Edited for math error. Oops.

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[akarunway 1]

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If caught grilling or consuming alcohol within that one-mile radius of Dolphins Stadium...

This has got to be a parody. NFL doesn't have the power to declare twelve and a half square miles alcohol-free. It's not their property!

Prolly something buried in the Homeland Security Act. It's a secret tho. They'll have drones flying over w/ Hellfires looking for beer drinkers

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If caught grilling or consuming alcohol within that one-mile radius of Dolphins Stadium...

This has got to be a parody. NFL doesn't have the power to declare twelve and a half square miles alcohol-free. It's not their property!

I concur! The only way this can be enforced off-premises is by a local law. And how can someone be prevented from grilling in his or her backyard? Or drinking alcohol in the privacy of his or her own home?

It makes little sense...

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[billvon 3,120]

I have a feeling that the superbowl is big enough that the NFL can just talk to the local cops and have them enforce it. Based on aerial views of the place, I'll bet that the purpose of the one-mile rule is to ban tailgating in the big vacant lot just to the SW of the stadium. It does, however, encompass a few hundred homes.

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I have a feeling that the superbowl is big enough that the NFL can just talk to the local cops and have them enforce it.

You mean you think the NFL is big enough to order public police to harass individuals under private orders from a corporation?

That's a major scandal if it's true.

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[billvon 3,120]

>You mean you think the NFL is big enough to order public police to
>harass individuals under private orders from a corporation?

Uh, yeah. When there's a Chargers game down here, police are out closing streets and directing traffic outside the parking lot itself. It's annoying to the rest of us who want just to get where we're going.

>That's a major scandal if it's true.

Been going on for decades.

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>You mean you think the NFL is big enough to order public police to
>harass individuals under private orders from a corporation?

Uh, yeah. When there's a Chargers game down here, police are out closing streets and directing traffic outside the parking lot itself. It's annoying to the rest of us who want just to get where we're going.

>That's a major scandal if it's true.

Been going on for decades.

That's likely under authority of the city engineering department. Businesses can contract with the city to change road and sidewalk rights of way, street parking, and other administrative policies. The city owns the streets and sidewalks and doesn't guarantee free passage. It's within its rights to change them at will.

However, a private corporation decreeing that an area of the city is alcohol-free or barbeque-free contravenes actual laws and individual rights.

This is more akin to a corporation telling police that for the duration of the game, everyone will be required to wear game-specific clothing. And it's only different by scale from a corporation declaring anti-rape laws temporarily null and void.

I'd be thrilled to be lead plaintiff in this class action suit!

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[sundevil777 102]

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it's only different by scale from a corporation declaring anti-rape laws temporarily null and void.

That is a really crappy analogy.

I would think that it is already illegal to walk around in public drinking alcohol. Isn't that what "open container" laws are about?

On an ordinary day in an ordinary neighborhood (not a game day near a stadium), do you expect to be able to just park anywhere on a street, pull out a big grill, coolers, chairs, and have a party? I would expect the local police to find some law of some kind that is violated and stop the party.

The fact that it has been a tradition for so long does not change the fact that I don't expect it to be legal.

I would have expected it to be allowed only within the stadium parking lot as a compromise. However, I can understand that it is illegal and that the combination of fires, propane tanks, and thousands of drunks can be dangerous.

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[akarunway 1]

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it's only different by scale from a corporation declaring anti-rape laws temporarily null and void.

That is a really crappy analogy.

I would think that it is already illegal to walk around in public drinking alcohol. Isn't that what "open container" laws are about?

On an ordinary day in an ordinary neighborhood (not a game day near a stadium), do you expect to be able to just park anywhere on a street, pull out a big grill, coolers, chairs, and have a party? I would expect the local police to find some law of some kind that is violated and stop the party.

The fact that it has been a tradition for so long does not change the fact that I don't expect it to be legal.

I would have expected it to be allowed only within the stadium parking lot as a compromise. However, I can understand that it is illegal and that the combination of fires, propane tanks, and thousands of drunks can be dangerous.

Boy I bet you are the life of the party when you're around.

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I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[billvon 3,120]

>This is more akin to a corporation telling police that for the
>duration of the game, everyone will be required to wear game
>-specific clothing.

They already do that to an extent by prohibiting some sorts of t-shirts/clothing/lack thereof.

>And it's only different by scale from a corporation declaring anti-rape
>laws temporarily null and void.

Right. And that's only different in scale from the Holocaust.

Here's what will happen in the real world down there:

People who drink in the parking lot will get busted. If they get arrested, it will be because they are violating rules set down by the landowner (the stadium) for use of their property.

People will sit in their cars in the parking lot and drink beer, and if they are obvious about it, they'll get busted.

People who drink in their cars driving to/from the game will get busted if cops see it too; they will fall under open container laws.

People with houses within 1 mile of the stadium will have cookouts and serve beer, and the cops won't care a bit.

If someone starts a cookout/beer bash in the vacant lot near the stadium, the cops will tell them to stop, threaten to arrest them, and perhaps even arrest them if they get out of hand. They will be arrested for trespassing or some such, and likely be released without charge after a few hours.

[sundevil777 102]

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it's only different by scale from a corporation declaring anti-rape laws temporarily null and void.

That is a really crappy analogy.

I would think that it is already illegal to walk around in public drinking alcohol. Isn't that what "open container" laws are about?

On an ordinary day in an ordinary neighborhood (not a game day near a stadium), do you expect to be able to just park anywhere on a street, pull out a big grill, coolers, chairs, and have a party? I would expect the local police to find some law of some kind that is violated and stop the party.

The fact that it has been a tradition for so long does not change the fact that I don't expect it to be legal.

I would have expected it to be allowed only within the stadium parking lot as a compromise. However, I can understand that it is illegal and that the combination of fires, propane tanks, and thousands of drunks can be dangerous.

Boy I bet you are the life of the party when you're around.

I like tailgaiting, outdoor parties are great! Desert parties with 20 kegs in a moving van were common when I was growing up.

Just because I think it is not legal (the NFL didn't do that) doesn't mean I don't like to party.

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[rehmwa 2]

"What is the USA doing"

Nice - I didn't know the Superbowl represented the entire US. it's not like it's some tiny little single culture country - like France, or Spain, or Belgium, or Singapore.

The US is big and has a ton of cultures, like Canada, or China.

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>This is more akin to a corporation telling police that for the
>duration of the game, everyone will be required to wear game
>-specific clothing.

They already do that to an extent by prohibiting some sorts of t-shirts/clothing/lack thereof.

WITHIN PRIVATE PROPERTY, Bill!

The NFL doesn't have the right to create temporary laws that dictate what kind or amount of clothing will be worn within 1 mile of the stadium.

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People with houses within 1 mile of the stadium will have cookouts and serve beer, and the cops won't care a bit.

Indeed the cops won't care -- but not simply because the cops are easy going about NFL laws, but because NFL laws DON'T EXIST.

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If someone starts a cookout/beer bash in the vacant lot near the stadium, the cops will tell them to stop, threaten to arrest them, and perhaps even arrest them if they get out of hand. They will be arrested for trespassing or some such, and likely be released without charge after a few hours.

Because of previously existing laws -- NOT because the NFL invented temporary NFL laws.

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[billvon 3,120]

>Because of previously existing laws -- NOT because the NFL
>invented temporary NFL laws.

That is literally true. If such a case ever went to court it would be thrown out immediately.

However, such a case will never get to court. Cops will just stop people tailgating within 1 mile of the stadium, and if any are arrested, they will be quickly released. Egregious violation of the drinking public's rights? Perhaps, but there are far more important things to get riled up about.

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Because of previously existing laws -- NOT because the NFL invented temporary NFL laws.

Quite right, but where did you get the idea that the NFL invented new laws?

I would expect that the NFL is paying the local police for extra security/overtime/whatever, so they can choose to pay the extra cost for police to enforce existing laws.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[jakee 1,596]

So basically your position now stands as "The NFL said something stupid, the cops will ignore them."

I'm not exactly sure what you're getting so worked up about...

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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So basically your position now stands as "The NFL said something stupid, the cops will ignore them."

I'm not exactly sure what you're getting so worked up about...

I'm going to answer your question but watch out. There's a nuance in the answer:

* I was getting worked up because Bill, who's usually quite sharp, was misunderstanding me. I didn't like that.

* I am not worked up but I WOULD get worked up IF the police DID harass citizens on public streets for violating spurious NFL laws. I doubt that would happen, but if it does, I would celebrate a class action suit.

Got it?

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[sundevil777 102]

What "spurious NFL laws"?

What would they be enforcing that isn't already illegal, or up to the choice of a private property owner?

What are we not "getting"?

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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What are we not "getting"?

I've previously bashed my head against the wall of trying to explain things you didn't want to understand. I think I'll swallow tacks instead.

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[sundevil777 102]

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What are we not "getting"?

I've previously bashed my head against the wall of trying to explain things you didn't want to understand. I think I'll swallow tacks instead.

I've tried to explain things you didn't understand. It is not so important that I'll bash my head or eat tacks.

How do you know I didn't want to understand? I think I do understand you, but I have made it clear that I think you're wrong. I directly addressed your complaint, but you have ignored my responses. That would seem to indicate that it is you that doesn't want to understand.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[jakee 1,596]

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* I was getting worked up...

* I am not worked up

Thanks for the clarification

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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* I was getting worked up...

* I am not worked up

Thanks for the clarification

No problem. And thanks for the intentional misunderstanding!

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[jakee 1,596]

I've been rumbled!

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 2,150]

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it's only different by scale from a corporation declaring anti-rape laws temporarily null and void.

That is a really crappy analogy.

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No it isn't!!

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