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their lies have cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
When Saddam invaded Kuwait, his reasons were valid (to him of course) but we called it lies and we kicked his ass.
We invade based on lies and they are still trying to perpetuate the war. It is a war crime at the very least
When Saddam invaded Kuwait, his reasons were valid (to him of course) but we called it lies and we kicked his ass.
We invade based on lies and they are still trying to perpetuate the war. It is a war crime at the very least
Some of these 'career politicians', know a good thing and milk it for all it's worth.
Chuck
Chuck
What really gets me is, the fact that our congress, only worked 38-days... total, for the year 2006! Aren't these the same people who when running for their office made all these promises to the voters that they would work 'hard' for them? None of 'em would know a hard day's work if it kicked them in the butt!
Chuck
Chuck
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>What really gets me is, the fact that our congress, only worked
>38-days... total, for the year 2006!
The original intent of the US congress was that it would be made of people - farmers, businessmen, laborers - who had 'real' jobs and just spent a few weeks every year in Washington taking care of the basics of government. Since then, of course, it's changed a great deal, but the original intent was that they _not_ work all year.
In some ways I'd prefer them to work less. We sure don't need a whole lot of new laws.
>38-days... total, for the year 2006!
The original intent of the US congress was that it would be made of people - farmers, businessmen, laborers - who had 'real' jobs and just spent a few weeks every year in Washington taking care of the basics of government. Since then, of course, it's changed a great deal, but the original intent was that they _not_ work all year.
In some ways I'd prefer them to work less. We sure don't need a whole lot of new laws.
I bet that they are not paid pro-rata!!
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
Quote>What really gets me is, the fact that our congress, only worked
>38-days... total, for the year 2006!
The original intent of the US congress was that it would be made of people - farmers, businessmen, laborers - who had 'real' jobs and just spent a few weeks every year in Washington taking care of the basics of government. Since then, of course, it's changed a great deal, but the original intent was that they _not_ work all year.
In some ways I'd prefer them to work less. We sure don't need a whole lot of new laws.
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They are, maintaining that idea!
If, you break-down the days they work in comparison to the pay-check they recieve, those aren't bad wages. These people are just using the system and cheating the people! They don't necessarily have to come-up with new laws but, what ever happened to the idea of; 'A day's work... for a Day's pay?![[:/]](/uploads/emoticons/dry.png "[:/]"){kind=small}
Chuck
QuoteI bet that they are not paid pro-rata!!
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If, that were the case... noone would run for office!
Chuck
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REspect is given to those who have earned it.....This bunch of screwups has earned DERISION not RESPECT.
QuoteQuoteYeap, I agree but I'm affraid that we dont grow them like that any more
I can't see anyone in the House or on the Side Lines that could cutthe mustard.... and that is the crying shame of it.
Boris Johnson!!
Hey at least he has comedy value.
I grew up under Thatcher and vowed never to vote Conservative.... but if Boris was at the helm I would! I think he's the only politician you can trust. I wish he would set up his own political party, then I could vote for him without voting conservative.
Zenister 0
no, but i respect the position.
the men (at the moment they are mostly men and i use the term in its broader sense) are largely unqualified.
unfortunately the nature of politics drives the 'real leaders' away from even considering.....
one of the fundamental flaws in democracy is it gives equal weight to the opinion of those who take time, do the research and select a candidate based on qualifications and platform with those who are completely ignorant of the same..
would you get on a plane whose pilot was 'elected' by 'popular vote'?
i wouldn't.. i wouldn't trust it to even power up correctly...
the men (at the moment they are mostly men and i use the term in its broader sense) are largely unqualified.
unfortunately the nature of politics drives the 'real leaders' away from even considering.....
one of the fundamental flaws in democracy is it gives equal weight to the opinion of those who take time, do the research and select a candidate based on qualifications and platform with those who are completely ignorant of the same..
would you get on a plane whose pilot was 'elected' by 'popular vote'?
i wouldn't.. i wouldn't trust it to even power up correctly...
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Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
Lucky... 0
QuoteOff on a tangent, I think the quality of our leaders (especially the political ones) is a reflection of our society and our society's values.
God I hope not, that speaks volumes of trash about our people. I think Americans are better than Bush and company.
Lucky... 0
QuoteI respect a fair amount of our judicial branch, a little bit of our legislative branch, and essentially none of our executive branch.
Blues,
Dave
Judicial branch? Are u f'n kidding? At the high court, they 9-0'd the HMP decision, passed the public domain decision and have really fucked things up.
Lucky... 0
Quote>Where's all the YES folk? Hiding behind their vote?
I'm a yes person.
The leader of New Zealand is a wonderful woman (though butt ugly
Helen Clark has really Kept our country moving and Is not a cock sucker like other Prime ministers (eg, tony blair, and the aussie guy whats his name again?
She is well educated, well spoken and actually makes her own decisions (unlike some puppets we know of)
Her stand on the war on terror was amazing and she stood firm with her beliefs that were proved to be correct.
our countries stand on war is a peace keeping one. the majority of our military funds go to peace keeping efforts.
She has climbed NZ's highest mountain (Aoraki, 12000' and a technical climb) and is not afraid to be amoungst the people.
She gets my complete respect!
I also have to mention that I also totally respect a former leader of our country his name is David Lange.
His govornment made New Zealand a nuclear free country. You can just imagine the pressures he had in world summits etc. to let nuclear powered ships and subs into our ports. He basicly told the rest of the world to 'Fuck off' with thier nuclear bullshit and stay the fuck away from our paradise with the time bombs!
He da man!
NZ is heaven on earth..... me jealous
Lucky... 0
QuoteI believe you are confusing politition with corrupted politition.
Ther have been many good polititions in history and just because of the bad eggs doesn't mean they are all evil.
If someone wants to become a politition to create a positive impact they should not be discouraged, that is an admirable ambition. If they want become a politition to lap up fringe benifits and do fuck all then the should most certainly be discouraged
If they do make positive changes, or try to, they get murdered...... Lincoln, Kennedy, Kennedy.
rhys 0
>By example, how many politicians have not exaggerated the faults of their opponents? Probably not many. Now what is exaggeration? At the most basic level it's lying. Another example... I think its common for people to simply accept that politicians make promises they know they cannot keep to get elected.
Helen Clark is a honest woman and as part of her last campain she clearly stated that she followed through with every promise made in the last election prior to her geing re-elected.
She did follow through with all her promises.
The political system in the U.S. and england do not represent the worlds stand on politics. if anything it has shown us all how things should not be done.
Helen Clark is a honest woman and as part of her last campain she clearly stated that she followed through with every promise made in the last election prior to her geing re-elected.
She did follow through with all her promises.
The political system in the U.S. and england do not represent the worlds stand on politics. if anything it has shown us all how things should not be done.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix
rhys 0
>Still - NZ is a fantastic country. I'd live there if it wasn't so boring!
What is so boring about a country that has diverse landscapes, oceans and beaches, mountains, lakes forests, and a small town that is known as the adventure capital of the world? we also have macdonalds and KFC, cinemas, shopping malls and so on if you are that way inclined.
What is boring about New Zealand? the fact that you don't get mugged or murdered?
NZ rocks!
What is so boring about a country that has diverse landscapes, oceans and beaches, mountains, lakes forests, and a small town that is known as the adventure capital of the world? we also have macdonalds and KFC, cinemas, shopping malls and so on if you are that way inclined.
What is boring about New Zealand? the fact that you don't get mugged or murdered?
NZ rocks!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix
Your nightlife! Even Auckland is pretty poor, in comparison to Glasgow for example - still, don't forget I did say it's a fantastic country - I've been there, but it certainly doesn't rock.'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
rhys 0
I suppose if you consider paying $50 to stand in a room with 5000 other people, waiting too long to pay too much for a beer good nightlife. then i suppose you are right!
I would think the best night life in New Zealand would be in wellington(did you go there?). Most of the countries best musicians are from or based in wellington.
that shit cost too much money and makes you feel like shit the next day anyway.
i used to go out alot but that was when i was single and spent all my money gorking at lusty females that were probably already taken.
I am engaged now so no need for that. if i want music... i download or buy a CD if i want alcohol i buy a bottle of wine or two and invite my friends over.
If i want a concert I go to one.
Pink Floyd is playing in my home town this evening but I am not in the country
It is all about pros, cons and expectations.
I would think the best night life in New Zealand would be in wellington(did you go there?). Most of the countries best musicians are from or based in wellington.
that shit cost too much money and makes you feel like shit the next day anyway.
i used to go out alot but that was when i was single and spent all my money gorking at lusty females that were probably already taken.
I am engaged now so no need for that
. if i want music... i download or buy a CD if i want alcohol i buy a bottle of wine or two and invite my friends over.
If i want a concert I go to one.
Pink Floyd is playing in my home town this evening but I am not in the country
It is all about pros, cons and expectations.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix
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Now that IS a good answer - thanks.
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
Now that IS a good answer - thanks.
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
mnealtx 0
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In some ways I'd prefer them to work less. We sure don't need a whole lot of new laws.
I still think sometimes that the First should have stopped after "Congress shall make no law"....
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
Pink Floyd is playing in my home town this evening but I am not in the country
It is all about pros, cons and expectations.
It is all about pros, cons and expectations.
Yes, I agree. The furthest south I got was Rotarua, but I generally stayed around Auckland as I was over to visit family.
I'll visit the South Island eventually. I have thought about living in NZ one day - but unfortunately for me and the Mrs, the distance we'd be from our families in Europe is too excessive.
Maybe that's why it's still a great country?
Out of curiousity, how much does your average 4 bedroom house cost around Auckland these days?
(NZ Dollars is fine - I'll convert it)
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'
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