rushmc 23 #26 January 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteWhat udder bullshit Now I get it... you are spending FAR too much time around barnyard animals.... Alright, I WILL respond to this one. It was not a misspelling on my part"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #27 January 23, 2007 Oh now I'm really, really, REALLY pissed. Sort of anyway... Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #28 January 23, 2007 Seems they asked him to change and he refused. QuoteAirline staff said the T-shirt of Bush with the tagline "World's number 1 terrorist" could have upset other passengers and demanded it be changed for another. But Jasson, who had earlier traveled on a Qantas domestic flight wearing the Bush T-shirt, said his right to freedom of speech had been infringed by Qantas. "I am not prepared to go without the T-shirt. I might forfeit the fare, but I have made up my mind that I would rather stand up for the principle of free speech," Jasson told Australian media on Monday, adding he would seek legal advice. Seems he was asked and refused. They had the right to kick him off. Now I personally think it is silly to kick someone off for a Tshirt and equally as silly to refuse to change it when asked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #29 January 23, 2007 QuoteSeems they asked him to change and he refused. QuoteAirline staff said the T-shirt of Bush with the tagline "World's number 1 terrorist" could have upset other passengers and demanded it be changed for another. But Jasson, who had earlier traveled on a Qantas domestic flight wearing the Bush T-shirt, said his right to freedom of speech had been infringed by Qantas. "I am not prepared to go without the T-shirt. I might forfeit the fare, but I have made up my mind that I would rather stand up for the principle of free speech," Jasson told Australian media on Monday, adding he would seek legal advice. Seems he was asked and refused. They had the right ot kick him off. Now I personally think it is silly to kick someone off for a Tshirt and equally as silly to refuse to change it when asked.So. How come no problemo on the earlier flight?I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #30 January 23, 2007 QuoteSo. How come no problemo on the earlier flight? Maybe a different flight crew. The crew has final say on EVERYTHING that happens on a flight. Maybe the guy wore a jack on the last flight and no one saw the Tshirt. Maybe on the first flight no passengers complained so it was not an issue that was brought up. Maybe the guy pushed harder this time...Which begs the question, was this other flight that same day? Or was he in the habit of wearing that shirt as his travel shirt? If so, why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #31 January 23, 2007 I agree. I am not trying to make any kind of statement about this. If I had it would mirror what you posted. There is more than enough absurdity to go around in this incedent. Probably (as some others in this thread have mentioned) there is more to the story than the article gave us."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #32 January 23, 2007 Quote But as others have pointed out, that T-shirt could be outlawed just as easily. Airplanes aren't public property, and an airline is under no obligation to allow any specific shirt/sign/message on their aircraft. Airlines get enough public support that they don't get carte blanche on the private business angle. They can and should be held to a reasonableness standard. In this case, I think it's within their purview, though I'd like to see the shirt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #33 January 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteA plane is not a democracy. From what I understand, the pilot can use any reason under the sun to refuse to fly or have someone kicked off. No shit, did I ever dispute that? Now perhaps you can explain to me how a T-shirt with a joke on it could actually endanger the safety of the plane? I'm sure wearing a T shirt with a statement about terrorists would cause no danger to the plane. Similarly, a person loudly discussing a bomb, even jokingly, would cause no danger to the plane. He'd probably still get kicked off, though. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #34 January 23, 2007 QuoteHe's in it for the money. He has credit card debt out his ass. So he devised this plan to extort 100s of thousands from an airline, for preventing him from expressing his so called free speach. If he sues for monitary damages, I hope the airline counter sues him and takes him to the cleaners financially trying to defend himself. This is Australia not the US.... wont happen.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #35 January 23, 2007 Quote What udder bullshit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now I get it... you are spending FAR too much time around barnyard animals.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alright, I WILL respond to this one. It was not a misspelling on my part Oh so you have been playing with the UDDER on a BULL... DUDE... I hate to tell you this.. but that aint an udder... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #36 January 23, 2007 In my simple mind...... They (the airline) probably over reacted but he (the pax) is still a wanker. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #37 January 23, 2007 Quoteyou have to ask yourself WHO is responsible for the MOST amounts of dead human beings ( directly or indirectly) in the last 15 years? Saddam Hussein? Omar al-Bashir? The "one child only" policies of China? Please enlighten us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #38 January 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteA plane is not a democracy. From what I understand, the pilot can use any reason under the sun to refuse to fly or have someone kicked off. No shit, did I ever dispute that? Now perhaps you can explain to me how a T-shirt with a joke on it could actually endanger the safety of the plane? I'm sure wearing a T shirt with a statement about terrorists would cause no danger to the plane. Similarly, a person loudly discussing a bomb, even jokingly, would cause no danger to the plane. He'd probably still get kicked off, though. You have to look beyond just the shirt itself, at the overall picture. If some moron joking about bombs, or terrorists, or hijacking, etc. causes undue distraction to a member of the air crew, or a plainclothes air marshal who needs to remain vigilant against real threats, or even panics an unreasonably-jittery passenger, that could turn into a problem. The airline has a right - indeed, a duty - to regulate conduct in and around its aircraft, within reason. That's why, on balance, I think it was OK to kick this guy off. Edit: By the way, just for context, the rule against making jokes about bombs, hijacking, etc. on or near an airliner is not a post-9/11 thing; it's been around for better than 30 years. I have a vague recollection about 20 or more years ago of some famous NBA basketball star being taken off a plane for making a dumb joke about hijacking. The airlines take this shit seriously, so it's not like the general public isn't on notice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #39 January 23, 2007 I am going to make up a shirt that says "I am going to kill all you mother fuckers!" and wear it to the airport. Then, finally, after I am detained and arrested, message boards around the world can read the story and say "Well, now THAT makes sense....." Edited to add: r -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #40 January 23, 2007 QuoteI am going to make up a shit Ew. Please don't. That's what we have WaltAppel for. ------ Please don't edit your post. Leave it funny as is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Taikoen 0 #41 January 23, 2007 I'm not arguing the contents of your reply. I do not think a typical t-shirt (I say typical because if it's filled with explosives, that's another story) could threaten the security of the plane. Well, unless someone reacted in a negative way to the word "Terrorist" on it and caused a security problem. You didn't bold enough of the quote, though. There's this little word called "or" right in the middle there. So what's not tolerated is "the potential to offend other travelers" or "threaten the security of the aircraft." It's either one or the other. It doesn't have to be the second one. In this case it was the first. So you're right, but you forgot the or, which is the the reason they approached him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #42 January 23, 2007 QuoteThen, finally, after I am detained and arrested, message boards around the world can read the story and say "Well, now THAT makes sense....." It goes like this.. flight number one.... no one complained probably because the people were not right wing nutjobs on the flight crew.. probably not americans since it was Quantas. Flight number two.. rabid Bush supporters on the flight crew who do not like to see ANYTHING that does not reflect absolute adoration upon their fearless leader. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #43 January 23, 2007 From Breitbart: QuoteORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- Flight attendants often deal with obnoxious passengers who won't listen to instructions by kicking them off the plane. But a Massachusetts couple think AirTran Airways went overboard by treating their crying 3-year-old daughter in much the same way. Julie and Gerry Kulesza and daughter Elly were removed from the flight when the girl refused to take her seat before takeoff, airline officials said Tuesday. But her parents said they just needed a little more time to calm her down. The Kuleszas planned to fly home to Boston on Jan. 14 from Fort Myers after a four-day visit with the girl's paternal grandparents. She was removed because "she was climbing under the seat and hitting the parents and wouldn't get in her seat" during boarding, AirTran spokeswoman Judy Graham-Weaver said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #44 January 23, 2007 Good for Airt Trans.. I hate having to fly with parents who will not control their BRATS... If someone will NOT buckle their seatbelt .. which is a SAFETY issue... then they need to remove them from the plane...... that does NOT include political reasons... Try again CUPCAKE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #45 January 23, 2007 QuoteEdited to add: r Coward. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #46 January 23, 2007 QuoteBut her parents said they just needed a little more time to calm her down. please refer to the spanking thread ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #47 January 23, 2007 I can't stand parents who won't reasonably control their small children in public. But I'm also the parent of 2 kids, both of whom were hellions as toddlers. People who have never had kids of their own sometimes have the least tolerance for little kids, and often grossly underestimate the ability of parents to just snap their fingers and make a totally irrational toddler behave. At a restaurant or theater, you can (and should) take the kid outside if necessary. On an airliner – whew, a much tougher situation. You're in a no-win position: if you just grossly pull at and overpower the kid and shove her into the seat, and hold her down while you strap her in, and all the while she shrieks bloody murder, some busybody will accuse you of being a child-abuser. If you try to take an extra minute to deal with the kid more calmly and less physically, and hopefully avoid too much of a scene, somebody will tell you to get off your ass and control your rotten kid. As the saying goes, sometimes you can do everything right and still die. At least it seems that way. Let's just say I sympathize. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites willard 0 #48 January 23, 2007 Why do some people automatically presume the reason he was taken off the plane was politically motivated? I'm sure if that was the intent then they would have also removed all the magazines (they undoubtedly contain references in opposition to Bush), banned all newspapers, etc. Why is it so hard to believe this guy might have over reacted when asked to remove or cover a shirt that the crew felt would be offensive to some of the passengers? We do a lot worse when we prohibit 99% of our school kids from praying at school on their own time so they won't offend the child of an atheist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #49 January 23, 2007 QuoteGood for Airt Trans.. I hate having to fly with parents who will not control their BRATS... If someone will NOT buckle their seatbelt .. which is a SAFETY issue... then they need to remove them from the plane...... that does NOT include political reasons... Try again CUPCAKE. I just thought it was funny. What next? Are you going to claim this proves I opposed Carter's deregulation of the airlines? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #50 January 23, 2007 QuoteAirlines have some pretty strict rules about jokes/comments that have anything to do with "bombs" "guns" "terrorist" or whatever. If they hear you just say the word "bomb" out loud on a plane you can bet you'll be taken aside & questioned thoroughly, at the very least, but probably kicked off the flight. So I'm not too surprised that a guy with TERRORIST written on his T-shirt was kicked off. In Australia???? I am, check this out... http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2588025#2588025When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Andy9o8 2 #38 January 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteA plane is not a democracy. From what I understand, the pilot can use any reason under the sun to refuse to fly or have someone kicked off. No shit, did I ever dispute that? Now perhaps you can explain to me how a T-shirt with a joke on it could actually endanger the safety of the plane? I'm sure wearing a T shirt with a statement about terrorists would cause no danger to the plane. Similarly, a person loudly discussing a bomb, even jokingly, would cause no danger to the plane. He'd probably still get kicked off, though. You have to look beyond just the shirt itself, at the overall picture. If some moron joking about bombs, or terrorists, or hijacking, etc. causes undue distraction to a member of the air crew, or a plainclothes air marshal who needs to remain vigilant against real threats, or even panics an unreasonably-jittery passenger, that could turn into a problem. The airline has a right - indeed, a duty - to regulate conduct in and around its aircraft, within reason. That's why, on balance, I think it was OK to kick this guy off. Edit: By the way, just for context, the rule against making jokes about bombs, hijacking, etc. on or near an airliner is not a post-9/11 thing; it's been around for better than 30 years. I have a vague recollection about 20 or more years ago of some famous NBA basketball star being taken off a plane for making a dumb joke about hijacking. The airlines take this shit seriously, so it's not like the general public isn't on notice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #39 January 23, 2007 I am going to make up a shirt that says "I am going to kill all you mother fuckers!" and wear it to the airport. Then, finally, after I am detained and arrested, message boards around the world can read the story and say "Well, now THAT makes sense....." Edited to add: r -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #40 January 23, 2007 QuoteI am going to make up a shit Ew. Please don't. That's what we have WaltAppel for. ------ Please don't edit your post. Leave it funny as is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taikoen 0 #41 January 23, 2007 I'm not arguing the contents of your reply. I do not think a typical t-shirt (I say typical because if it's filled with explosives, that's another story) could threaten the security of the plane. Well, unless someone reacted in a negative way to the word "Terrorist" on it and caused a security problem. You didn't bold enough of the quote, though. There's this little word called "or" right in the middle there. So what's not tolerated is "the potential to offend other travelers" or "threaten the security of the aircraft." It's either one or the other. It doesn't have to be the second one. In this case it was the first. So you're right, but you forgot the or, which is the the reason they approached him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #42 January 23, 2007 QuoteThen, finally, after I am detained and arrested, message boards around the world can read the story and say "Well, now THAT makes sense....." It goes like this.. flight number one.... no one complained probably because the people were not right wing nutjobs on the flight crew.. probably not americans since it was Quantas. Flight number two.. rabid Bush supporters on the flight crew who do not like to see ANYTHING that does not reflect absolute adoration upon their fearless leader. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #43 January 23, 2007 From Breitbart: QuoteORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- Flight attendants often deal with obnoxious passengers who won't listen to instructions by kicking them off the plane. But a Massachusetts couple think AirTran Airways went overboard by treating their crying 3-year-old daughter in much the same way. Julie and Gerry Kulesza and daughter Elly were removed from the flight when the girl refused to take her seat before takeoff, airline officials said Tuesday. But her parents said they just needed a little more time to calm her down. The Kuleszas planned to fly home to Boston on Jan. 14 from Fort Myers after a four-day visit with the girl's paternal grandparents. She was removed because "she was climbing under the seat and hitting the parents and wouldn't get in her seat" during boarding, AirTran spokeswoman Judy Graham-Weaver said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #44 January 23, 2007 Good for Airt Trans.. I hate having to fly with parents who will not control their BRATS... If someone will NOT buckle their seatbelt .. which is a SAFETY issue... then they need to remove them from the plane...... that does NOT include political reasons... Try again CUPCAKE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #45 January 23, 2007 QuoteEdited to add: r Coward. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #46 January 23, 2007 QuoteBut her parents said they just needed a little more time to calm her down. please refer to the spanking thread ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #47 January 23, 2007 I can't stand parents who won't reasonably control their small children in public. But I'm also the parent of 2 kids, both of whom were hellions as toddlers. People who have never had kids of their own sometimes have the least tolerance for little kids, and often grossly underestimate the ability of parents to just snap their fingers and make a totally irrational toddler behave. At a restaurant or theater, you can (and should) take the kid outside if necessary. On an airliner – whew, a much tougher situation. You're in a no-win position: if you just grossly pull at and overpower the kid and shove her into the seat, and hold her down while you strap her in, and all the while she shrieks bloody murder, some busybody will accuse you of being a child-abuser. If you try to take an extra minute to deal with the kid more calmly and less physically, and hopefully avoid too much of a scene, somebody will tell you to get off your ass and control your rotten kid. As the saying goes, sometimes you can do everything right and still die. At least it seems that way. Let's just say I sympathize. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #48 January 23, 2007 Why do some people automatically presume the reason he was taken off the plane was politically motivated? I'm sure if that was the intent then they would have also removed all the magazines (they undoubtedly contain references in opposition to Bush), banned all newspapers, etc. Why is it so hard to believe this guy might have over reacted when asked to remove or cover a shirt that the crew felt would be offensive to some of the passengers? We do a lot worse when we prohibit 99% of our school kids from praying at school on their own time so they won't offend the child of an atheist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #49 January 23, 2007 QuoteGood for Airt Trans.. I hate having to fly with parents who will not control their BRATS... If someone will NOT buckle their seatbelt .. which is a SAFETY issue... then they need to remove them from the plane...... that does NOT include political reasons... Try again CUPCAKE. I just thought it was funny. What next? Are you going to claim this proves I opposed Carter's deregulation of the airlines? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #50 January 23, 2007 QuoteAirlines have some pretty strict rules about jokes/comments that have anything to do with "bombs" "guns" "terrorist" or whatever. If they hear you just say the word "bomb" out loud on a plane you can bet you'll be taken aside & questioned thoroughly, at the very least, but probably kicked off the flight. So I'm not too surprised that a guy with TERRORIST written on his T-shirt was kicked off. In Australia???? I am, check this out... http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2588025#2588025When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
