akarunway 1 #1 January 22, 2007 Unless we want pay down the debt and quit funding the military/corporate machine. How many fronts can we fight on?>http://www.ft.com/cms/s/07448d3e-a985-11db-9185-0000779e2340.htmlI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #2 January 22, 2007 So the war against the commies was lost then? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #3 January 22, 2007 Quote So the war against the commies was lost then? Suspended, think of it like a global half-time. This is going to be rough, I've had a hard enough time getting good at Spanish, now Chinese too? Strangely enough I've been talking about the Chinese and the dangers of China for atleast 8 years, others have been warning about China much longer then that. "We" opened a Wal-Mart there, so maybe Wal-Mart and Google will be able to take them over and end the threat, but then there's the Wal-oogle war that will probably go nuclear...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #4 January 22, 2007 >Global Half time. Or is the end of the first period. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #5 January 22, 2007 QuoteSo the war against the commies was lost then? A rose by any other name.... They don't seem very communist to me, corrupt and dictatorial I'll give you that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #6 January 22, 2007 Quotecorrupt and dictatorial I'll give you that. Seems to be a lot of that going around Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #7 January 22, 2007 QuoteQuotecorrupt and dictatorial I'll give you that. Seems to be a lot of that going around Have you ever lived anywhere other than the United States of America? If not, you should go live in a dictatorship before you compare the USA to a dictatorship. How did the USA beat Russia, economy not military. How will China beat the USA, economy not military. History will repeat itself."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #8 January 22, 2007 Actually yes I have.. I got to visit a LOT of countires that had dictatorships or run by military junta's back in the 1970's. I have seen it up close and personal....and it looks just like the things happening here . How about you...?? Thought of looking around and seeing the parallels... like an administration that is circumventing and thumbing its nose at the constitution and just about every international accord that was made in the last 100 years Many Germans were very surprised because they did not see it coming either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #9 January 22, 2007 QuoteActually yes I have.. I got to visit a LOT of countires that had dictatorships or run by military junta's back in the 1970's. I have seen it up close and personal....and it looks just like the things happening here . How about you...?? Thought of looking around and seeing the parallels... like an administration that is circumventing and thumbing its nose at the constitution and just about every international accord that was made in the last 100 years Many Germans were very surprised because they did not see it coming either. Are there some parallels, yes. But how many of the major parallels exist? Economic depression (no), extreme nationalism (no), totalitarianism (partially progressing towards fully but possible to reverse by not voting for politicians, both democrat and republican, who have allowed this to progress)."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #10 January 22, 2007 QuoteActually yes I have.. I got to visit a LOT of countires that had dictatorships or run by military junta's back in the 1970's. I have seen it up close and personal....and it looks just like the things happening here . Just like the things happening here? Could you provide some examples? Nicaragua? East Germany? Cuba? I seriously doubt any of the dictatorships and juntas of the last 30 years resemble present day USA.... unless you're comparing the norm in those countries to rare exceptions here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #11 January 22, 2007 QuoteNicaragua? East Germany? Cuba? Gee what do you think might be in YOUR dossier.... East German STASI had files on everyone . We have numerous companies who have compiled every purchase you make where you live.. what you own... what you eat...and what religeous affiliation..etc.. etc...and the government taps into that whenever it wants. It paints an interesting picture of any American. Once they are accessed by the government who do you thnk they are maintained by???? Add to that.. any information already in your file from military..or civil records....and anything they might have picked up from some of the wirtetapping etc that has been going on... Oh yes.. lets add police incursions based on BAD intelligence.. that just happens to blow away a little old lady in her home.....So basically they can break down your door on suspicion you MIGHT have some WEED.... and they executed her for what.. some stupid drug law... that is overreaction...and should scare the crap out of any american. She just happened to live in a bad area of town.... and shot at the men who broke into her house. Just little things like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #12 January 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteNicaragua? East Germany? Cuba? Gee what do you think might be in YOUR dossier.... East German STASI had files on everyone . We have numerous companies who have compiled every purchase you make where you live.. what you own... what you eat...and what religeous affiliation..etc.. etc...and the government taps into that whenever it wants. It paints an interesting picture of any American. Once they are accessed by the government who do you thnk they are maintained by???? Add to that.. any information already in your file from military..or civil records....and anything they might have picked up from some of the wirtetapping etc that has been going on... Have you ever thought that companies might compile information on customers for purposes other than world domination? Like customer satisfaction, understanding buyer trends for future production and maintaining stock levels, etc... PS: The government compiling information on your donations, religious and political affiliations, etc... is not appropriate. If you want to change the system then stop electing the same people to the system (both democrat and republican)."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #13 January 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteNicaragua? East Germany? Cuba? Gee what do you think might be in YOUR dossier.... East German STASI had files on everyone . We have numerous companies who have compiled every purchase you make where you live.. what you own... what you eat...and what religeous affiliation..etc.. etc...and the government taps into that whenever it wants. It paints an interesting picture of any American. Once they are accessed by the government who do you thnk they are maintained by???? Add to that.. any information already in your file from military..or civil records....and anything they might have picked up from some of the wirtetapping etc that has been going on... Oh yes.. lets add police incursions based on BAD intelligence.. that just happens to blow away a little old lady in her home.....So basically they can break down your door on suspicion you MIGHT have some WEED.... and they executed her for what.. some stupid drug law... that is overreaction...and should scare the crap out of any american. She just happened to live in a bad area of town.... and shot at the men who broke into her house. Just little things like that. Are you saying life in the US is like Cold War East Germany? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #14 January 22, 2007 QuoteAre you saying life in the US is like Cold War East Germany? We just package it better these days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #15 January 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteAre you saying life in the US is like Cold War East Germany? We just package it better these days. Rational logic and reasoning must be on vacation, call me when they get back. "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #16 January 22, 2007 QuoteRational logic and reasoning must be on vacation, call me when they get back. Nice PA.....its the internet dude.. trying to get someone to use their fucking minds instead of being one of the sheeple that follow FOX NEWS .. is such a difficult job. If you really believe that the USA is the Home of the FREE... you are applying outdated homilies that are no longer based on any form of LOGIC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #17 January 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteAre you saying life in the US is like Cold War East Germany? We just package it better these days. Even sheep are too smart to believe that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #18 January 22, 2007 Hey the NEO CONS only tolerate THEIR version of the news...I am sure you got THAT memo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #19 January 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteRational logic and reasoning must be on vacation, call me when they get back. Nice PA.....its the internet dude.. trying to get someone to use their fucking minds instead of being one of the sheeple that follow FOX NEWS .. is such a difficult job. If you really believe that the USA is the Home of the FREE... you are applying outdated homilies that are no longer based on any form of LOGIC. I am not a sheeple and I do use my mind. You just assume that because I don't agree with you (because I asked you to present proof and the logic and reasoning that leads you to your statements, which you haven't) that I am a sheeple and don't use my mind."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #20 January 22, 2007 QuoteHey the NEO CONS only tolerate THEIR version of the news...I am sure you got THAT memo. You obviously haven't read my statements (considering I have posted plenty of times that I am neither democrat or republican) that I prefer to not side with any parties but instead I prefer to side with the people who can provide proof and the logic and reasoning that lead them to their conclusions over those who throw about accusations."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #21 January 22, 2007 Your Ideology outtrumps your logic apparently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #22 January 22, 2007 QuoteYou obviously haven't read my statements UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE YEAR!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #23 January 22, 2007 QuoteYour Ideology outtrumps your logic apparently. What ideology is that?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #24 January 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteYour Ideology outtrumps your logic apparently. What ideology is that? You don't know your own ideology?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #25 January 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteYour Ideology outtrumps your logic apparently. What ideology is that? You don't know your own ideology? I know my own ideology, I don't think she knows my ideology. So I am asking what she thinks my ideology is. "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
