rehmwa 2 #51 January 23, 2007 QuoteThey must be really scared. They can't win by leading the country and inspring the nation, so they will try to win by destroying others. Hillary? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #52 January 23, 2007 QuoteStarted sooner than I expected. They must be really scared. They can't win by leading the country and inspring the nation, so they will try to win by destroying others. And what was the reason given for KArl Rove leaving the WhiteHouse.. oh yeah.. to work on political campains. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #53 January 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteThey must be really scared. They can't win by leading the country and inspring the nation, so they will try to win by destroying others. Hillary? Or someone else. It's all the same, really. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #54 January 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteThey must be really scared. They can't win by leading the country and inspring the nation, so they will try to win by destroying others. Hillary? Does it matter? The collective "they" are scared and are striking out before he gets any more positive press. Notice how only the conservative mouthpiece Fox News banged the drum on this the most? Sitting in IL watching Obama rise up has been interesting. I've kept my eye on him knowing that his presidential bid was coming soon. He pretty much has my vote already, but I need to read up on some of the others tossing in their hat. Hillary won't get my vote as I am tired of the Bush family running this country and I think we need fresh blood in there, and another Clinton certainly isn't it. I will say that if it comes down to Obama vs McCain that I'm not sure who I would vote for._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #55 January 23, 2007 And we're all so thankful that no one associated with (or favoring) the Democrats ever resorts to low brow tactics. What IS Dan Rather up to these days? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #56 January 23, 2007 QuoteDoes it matter? no, it doesn't. I agree with you and Narci, politics knows no party. We can hope that once these non-executives get stomped, that hopefully some candidates with real executive experience get into the race. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #57 January 23, 2007 QuoteAnd we're all so thankful that no one associated with (or favoring) the Democrats ever resorts to low brow tactics. What IS Dan Rather up to these days? I don't see myself ever making excuses for this sort of dirt. Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm hoping that Obama refrains from this sort of BS and keeps it a clean, fair fight that sticks to the issues. This time around people are listening and that's what will win in '08._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #58 January 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteAlready the hit jobs against this guy have begun: Started sooner than I expected. They must be really scared. They can't win by leading the country and inspring the nation, so they will try to win by destroying others. Which is why (not like this is about me) I opted out of involvement in politics. I used to naively think that you could separate "politics" from "governance". No-sirree-Bob. But I eventually came to the realization that so, so much of politics is, first and foremost, all about personal destruction of the other guy, the other guy's family, his career, his health, his friends, cat, dog, everything. When actual governance happens, it's almost an incidental byproduct. So when people started trying to pull me into getting actively involved in politics, and maybe even putting my name out there, I said "No, thanks", and took a pass. One of the better decisions in my life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #59 January 23, 2007 QuoteI will say that if it comes down to Obama vs McCain that I'm not sure who I would vote for. AT one point I would have voted for McCain... like in the 2000 election I would have voted for him over Gore..... BUT. He has been pandering to the base of the rePUBICan party than old school principled REPUBLICANS... and that loses my vote very quickly. They are the people who have outspent and given away our taxes in corporate welfare... AND disseminate their policies from the pulpit..... thanks but no thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #60 January 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteI will say that if it comes down to Obama vs McCain that I'm not sure who I would vote for. AT one point I would have voted for McCain... like in the 2000 election I would have voted for him over Gore..... BUT. He has been pandering to the base of the rePUBICan party than old school principled REPUBLICANS... and that loses my vote very quickly. They are the people who have outspent and given away our taxes in corporate welfare... AND disseminate their policies from the pulpit..... thanks but no thanks. Did you see him turn on Cheney this week?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #61 January 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote The Swiftboating Begins - The Right Smears Obama The minute Senator Barack Obama had traction, the right starting emphasizing his middle name. "Barack Hussein Obama", they sneered. They never talked about him without saying all three names as if the fact his parents gave him the middle name "Hussein" automatically disqualified him to run for President. The smear was both so dumb and transparent, it was laughable. Then other right-wing bigots like Debbie Schlussel took the attack even further: *** [W]hile Obama may not identify as a Muslim, that's not how the Arab and Muslim Streets see it. In Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you. And once a Muslim, always a Muslim. You cannot go back. In Islamic eyes, Obama is certainly a Muslim. He may think he's a Christian, but they do not. So, even if he identifies strongly as a Christian, and even if he despised the behavior of his father (as Obama said on Oprah); is a man who Muslims think is a Muslim, who feels some sort of psychological need to prove himself to his absent Muslim father, and who is now moving in the direction of his father's heritage, a man we want as President when we are fighting the war of our lives against Islam? Where will his loyalties be? Is that even the man we'd want to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency, if Hillary Clinton offers him the Vice Presidential candidacy on her ticket (which he certainly wouldn't turn down)? NO WAY, JOSE . . . Or, is that, HUSSEIN? Anyone notice the Debbie Schlussel excerpt does not mention his middle name. Ironic. Did you not see the very last word of the text you quoted? Hint: It's in ALL CAPS. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #62 January 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteAnd we're all so thankful that no one associated with (or favoring) the Democrats ever resorts to low brow tactics. What IS Dan Rather up to these days? I don't see myself ever making excuses for this sort of dirt. Two wrongs don't make a right. Not that it would keep you from fanning the flames, eh? QuoteThey must be really scared. They can't win by leading the country and inspring the nation, so they will try to win by destroying others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #63 January 23, 2007 QuoteAnd we're all so thankful that no one associated with (or favoring) the Democrats ever resorts to low brow tactics. What IS Dan Rather up to these days? I'm not saying you're wrong (and Rather is a fair example), I'm just saying that it seems to me, especially back since Gingrich was an up-and-comer (so for the past 15 - 20 years or so), the Right has done this shit more often (sometimes to each other, a-la McCain in 2000), and they've done it filthier. The smarmy, smear destruction of Max Cleland is another example that comes to mind. Just my own very un-scientific impression. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #64 January 23, 2007 QuoteThe smarmy, smear destruction of Max Cleland is another example that comes to mind. Just my own very un-scientific impression. REad that almost ANY vet that the chickenhawks in this administration wanted to go after. It goes to show EXACTLY how they TRUELY feel about service to country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #65 January 23, 2007 I didn't start the fire! All I did was make pointed observations off their school-yard bully tactics. In fact they were vague observations that didn't point fingers at either side._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #66 January 23, 2007 Quote [W]hile Obama may not identify as a Muslim, that's not how the Arab and Muslim Streets see it. In Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you. And once a Muslim, always a Muslim. You cannot go back. In Islamic eyes, Obama is certainly a Muslim. He may think he's a Christian, but they do not. So, even if he identifies strongly as a Christian, and even if he despised the behavior of his father (as Obama said on Oprah); is a man who Muslims think is a Muslim, who feels some sort of psychological need to prove himself to his absent Muslim father, Who decided he had this psychological need? Quoteand who is now moving in the direction of his father's heritage, How's that? Quotea man we want as President when we are fighting the war of our lives against Islam? Where will his loyalties be? So now our war is against Islam rather than terrorists? And on what foundation does she base the question of his loyalties, other than her amazingly brilliant conjecture above? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #67 January 23, 2007 QuoteDid you not see the very last word of the text you quoted? Hint: It's in ALL CAPS. Blues, Dave Nice catch. I was looking those times she did not mention his middle name, despite the assertion of:QuoteThey never talked about him without saying all three names The key word was NEVER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #68 January 23, 2007 QuoteThe key word was NEVER. Yeah, right. Where's that electron microscope photo of the head of a pin? Let's see how many angels can dance on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #69 January 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteDid you not see the very last word of the text you quoted? Hint: It's in ALL CAPS. Blues, Dave Nice catch. I was looking those times she did not mention his middle name, despite the assertion of:QuoteThey never talked about him without saying all three names The key word was NEVER. "They never speak of him without mentioning ALL THREE NAMES" doesn't sound *near* as ominous as "And they used his middle name ONCE in the article!!"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #70 January 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteDid you not see the very last word of the text you quoted? Hint: It's in ALL CAPS. Blues, Dave Nice catch. I was looking those times she did not mention his middle name, despite the assertion of:QuoteThey never talked about him without saying all three names The key word was NEVER. "They never speak of him without mentioning ALL THREE NAMES" doesn't sound *near* as ominous as "And they used his middle name ONCE in the article!!" Without naming names, I've noticed quite a few posters on this site who seem inclined to make extreme comparisons or use absolutes when the actual situation is decidedly more benign. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #71 January 23, 2007 It's not exactly a one-person's-done-it thing. A couple more examlples: Quote http://yglesias.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2006/nov/29/new_gop_attack_on_obama_his_name_is_hussein New GOP Attack On Obama: His Middle Name is "Hussein!" By Eric Kleefeld | bio If you thought Obama's last name was enough of a political pitfall, get this: Last night on Hardball, GOP strategist Ed Rogers ridiculed a potential Obama candidacy by using — possibly for the first time on cable news — Obama's little-known and politically unfortunate middle name. "Count me down as somebody that underestimates Barack Hussein Obama," Rogers said. Expect to hear this sort of thing again and again if Obama runs for President Quotehttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1769152/posts Barack Hussein Obama, Remain Alert to His Background Posted on 01/17/2007 2:29:33 PM PST by Schichtel Probable U. S. Presidential Candidate Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii to Barack Hussein Obama Sr., a Black Muslim from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a White Athiest from Wichita, Kansas. Obama's Parents met at the University of Hawaii. WhenObama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His Mother then marriedLoto Soetoro, a radical Muslim from Indenosia. When Obama was six years old, the family relocated to Indenosia. Obama attended a Muslimschool in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic School. Obama takes great care to conceal the Fact that He is a MUSLIM. He is quick to point out that He was once a Muslim, But that He also attended Catholic School. Obama's Political Handlers are attempting to make itappear that Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Osama was enrolledin a wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the radical teachng that is followed by the muslim terroristswho are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since it ispolitically expedient to be a christian when seeking major public office in the United States, Barak Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his muslim background. Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #72 January 23, 2007 And this is different than people slamming Bush for being Christian, how, exactly? Oddly enough, nobody ever brings up Bubba Jeff being Southern Baptist - why is that?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #73 January 23, 2007 QuoteAnd this is different than people slamming Bush for being Christian, how, exactly? I haven't heard anyone slam Bush for being Christian. I have heard people slam him for saying God speaks to him and tells him what to do (or something similar to that). The former is a state of religiosity, the latter a state of idiocy. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #74 January 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteAnd this is different than people slamming Bush for being Christian, how, exactly? I haven't heard anyone slam Bush for being Christian. I have heard people slam him for saying God speaks to him and tells him what to do (or something similar to that). The former is a state of religiosity, the latter a state of idiocy. Blues, Dave Okay, How about the claims he's trying to turn this country into a Christian theocracy??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #75 January 23, 2007 >And this is different than people slamming Bush for being Christian, how, exactly? If Obama starts saying that Allah (or Jesus) wants him to be president, then you would be correct - it would be no different. Till then . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
