rehmwa 2 #26 January 22, 2007 Quote>You want to restrict a specific family? Personally, I would prefer not to have one (or two) families running the US; that comes perilously close to how a monarchy works, even if the people elect the families. I'd prefer a non-politician who is merely a good businessman, who is elected based on their competence, intelligence and judgment rather than their last name. that would be nice. but the assumption that the people 'elect the families' rather than the 'individuals' - so, "rather than the families" is applicable, but "regardless of the families" is more applicable ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #27 January 22, 2007 Let's put it this way then - If the choice were between two equally qualified people, identical in every way except one was a member of a family that's been in politics for decades, and the other had no such connections, I'd prefer the candidate with no connections. (Such a candidate could likely not afford to run, but I'm being optimistic here.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #28 January 22, 2007 QuoteQuotedid they get lost in the "village"? You are Number Six. Hey!! I was PERFECTLY content in not thinking Bill was hot!!! Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #29 January 22, 2007 I was thinking of the Village from The Prisoner series. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #30 January 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuotedid they get lost in the "village"? You are Number Six. Hey!! I was PERFECTLY content in not thinking Bill was hot!!! Now I'm a little nervous wondering what "Number Six" means. Did I miss a thread or a movie somewhere? Edit: However, if by "hot" one means, "homely as a mule's butt", then guilty as charged ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #31 January 22, 2007 My attachment was of Number Six from the show Battlestar Galactica. SpeedRacer's was of Number Six from The Prisoner. Quote Edit: However, if by "hot" one means, "homely as a mule's butt", then guilty as charged Excellent. All is better with the world. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #32 January 22, 2007 QuoteMy attachment was of Number Six from the show Battlestar Galactica. SpeedRacer's was of Number Six from The Prisoner. see, I'm a fan of BSG, but will have to look it up and see which one is which they just restarted the new episodes last night Grace Park is hot. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #33 January 22, 2007 QuoteQuoteMy attachment was of Number Six from the show Battlestar Galactica. SpeedRacer's was of Number Six from The Prisoner. see, I'm a fan of BSG, but will have to look it up and see which one is which they just restarted the new episodes last night Grace Park is hot. Is the attachment to my post only on my machine? Number Six is the blonde Cylon played by Tricia Helfer. Reading the wikipedia entry, the name "Number Six" was apparently in tribute to guy SpeedRacer posted, from The Prisoner. Similarly, this post is now in tribute to the humor I thought I was adding to this conversation. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #34 January 22, 2007 with the "hot" comment, and me being at work, I didn't open the attachment. You never know what you preverts will attach here... of course, now I have to go and research The Village since I seem to 'get' Speedracer's comments about as much as anyone here. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #35 January 23, 2007 Already the hit jobs against this guy have begun: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/index.html QuoteCNN debunks false report about Obama January 23, 2007 JAKARTA, Indonesia (CNN) -- Allegations that Sen. Barack Obama was educated in a radical Muslim school known as a "madrassa" are not accurate, according to CNN reporting. Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam. Obama lived in Indonesia as a child, from 1967 to 1971 [ages 6 to 10] , with his mother and stepfather and has acknowledged attending a Muslim [elementary] school, but an aide said it was not a madrassa. The Insight article was cited several times Friday on Fox News and was also referenced by the New York Post, The Glenn Beck program on CNN Headline News and a number of political blogs. The Obama aide described Fox News' broadcasting of the Insight story "appallingly irresponsible." Fox News executive Bill Shine told CNN "Reliable Sources" anchor Howard Kurtz that some of the network's hosts were simply expressing their opinions and repeatedly cited Insight as the source of the allegations. Obama has noted in his two books, "Dreams From My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope," that he spent two years in a Muslim school and another two years in a Catholic school while living in Indonesia from age 6 to 10. The Obama aide described Fox News' broadcasting of the Insight story "appallingly irresponsible." Fox News executive Bill Shine told CNN "Reliable Sources" anchor Howard Kurtz that some of the network's hosts were simply expressing their opinions and repeatedly cited Insight as the source of the allegations. Obama has noted in his two books, "Dreams From My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope," that he spent two years in a Muslim school and another two years in a Catholic school while living in Indonesia from age 6 to 10. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #36 January 23, 2007 More: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen-russell/the-swiftboating-begins-_b_39196.html Quote The Swiftboating Begins - The Right Smears Obama The minute Senator Barack Obama had traction, the right starting emphasizing his middle name. "Barack Hussein Obama", they sneered. They never talked about him without saying all three names as if the fact his parents gave him the middle name "Hussein" automatically disqualified him to run for President. The smear was both so dumb and transparent, it was laughable. Then other right-wing bigots like Debbie Schlussel took the attack even further: *** [W]hile Obama may not identify as a Muslim, that's not how the Arab and Muslim Streets see it. In Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you. And once a Muslim, always a Muslim. You cannot go back. In Islamic eyes, Obama is certainly a Muslim. He may think he's a Christian, but they do not. So, even if he identifies strongly as a Christian, and even if he despised the behavior of his father (as Obama said on Oprah); is a man who Muslims think is a Muslim, who feels some sort of psychological need to prove himself to his absent Muslim father, and who is now moving in the direction of his father's heritage, a man we want as President when we are fighting the war of our lives against Islam? Where will his loyalties be? Is that even the man we'd want to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency, if Hillary Clinton offers him the Vice Presidential candidacy on her ticket (which he certainly wouldn't turn down)? NO WAY, JOSE . . . Or, is that, HUSSEIN? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #37 January 23, 2007 QuoteAh the Rove Boys are at it again... the smearmeister and friends are now on the case. You're both woefully out of touch. The source has been public for days and many outlets are coverig this story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #38 January 23, 2007 Eh, who asked you? Don't you have Blair to bash or sumpin'? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #39 January 23, 2007 QuoteQuote The Swiftboating Begins - The Right Smears Obama The minute Senator Barack Obama had traction, the right starting emphasizing his middle name. "Barack Hussein Obama", they sneered. They never talked about him without saying all three names as if the fact his parents gave him the middle name "Hussein" automatically disqualified him to run for President. The smear was both so dumb and transparent, it was laughable. Then other right-wing bigots like Debbie Schlussel took the attack even further: *** [W]hile Obama may not identify as a Muslim, that's not how the Arab and Muslim Streets see it. In Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you. And once a Muslim, always a Muslim. You cannot go back. In Islamic eyes, Obama is certainly a Muslim. He may think he's a Christian, but they do not. So, even if he identifies strongly as a Christian, and even if he despised the behavior of his father (as Obama said on Oprah); is a man who Muslims think is a Muslim, who feels some sort of psychological need to prove himself to his absent Muslim father, and who is now moving in the direction of his father's heritage, a man we want as President when we are fighting the war of our lives against Islam? Where will his loyalties be? Is that even the man we'd want to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency, if Hillary Clinton offers him the Vice Presidential candidacy on her ticket (which he certainly wouldn't turn down)? NO WAY, JOSE . . . Or, is that, HUSSEIN? Anyone notice the Debbie Schlussel excerpt does not mention his middle name. Ironic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 January 23, 2007 QuoteAnyone notice the Debbie Schlussel excerpt does not mention his middle name. Ironic. Not for HuffnPuff / DU / MO / etc...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #41 January 23, 2007 It's the perfect smear, if it would get any traction: not just nail Obama, but blame it on Hillary (citing unnamed "inside sources", of course"), too. It's a two-fer! Not much different from the "John McCain's black child" push-polling smear they did to him in the S. Carolina primary in 2000. Obviously just a taste of what's yet to come. Hillary and McCain are presumably ready for it, from experience. Is Obama? He'd better be. I guess John Edwards, or maybe Bill Richardson, will be the next target. Ugh. To think there was once a time in my life (long ago) when I was seriously considering getting involved in politics and government. Yecch! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #42 January 23, 2007 QuoteUgh. To think there was once a time in my life (long ago) when I was seriously considering getting involved in politics and government. Yecch! Laws and sausage - two things you don't want to see being made... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #43 January 23, 2007 QuoteSo, I'm curious what people are thinking of him as a candidate. So far my impressions of him have been that he's intelligent, well spoken, and a good middle ground candidate (not too far of either side of the spectrum). I realize that he hasn't got as much political experience (not necessarily a bad thing) as the other candidates and that some people will vote partisan no matter what, but I'd like to know what people think of him...and why. Blues, Ian He's entering the race at a real good time. There's that margin of people, probably a large margin that say, 'I hate the corrupt neo-con right, but I also hate the Clintons, who the hell do I vote for?" I like Hillary and Obama and will vote for whichever wins the primary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #44 January 23, 2007 Quote"Middle" ground is a bit of a stretch if you look at his small voting record. In any event, his entry into the race will be interesting (to say the least) as his opponet is Hillary. And when the Clintons are in the race it is a "no holds barred" type of event. (I am not implying that this is a Clinton only tactic) The attacks on him this week are not from right but from the Clinton camp. I will enjoy the show (if you know what I mean) I'm curious about which tactics from the Clinton camp. It was the right that destructed by way of Perot that elected Clinton, he was the incumbent in 96 and won due to things getting fixed, so what dirty tricks? Was Hillary dirty becoming a senator? Does this theroy of dirty tricks include black helicopters? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #45 January 23, 2007 QuoteI really wish Colin Powell would run. Do-cock-us couldn't win with a name like that, how can a guy with a name like part of your lower digestive tract win? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #46 January 23, 2007 QuoteQuote when the Clintons are in the race it is a "no holds barred" type In this way Obama has a distinct advantage. With less of a track record and what seems to be an relatively understated style, there's fewer things for Hillary to grab hold of. Hillary's record isn't exactly stellar, so it might put her on a defensive footing. Uh, how is her record bad? Oh that's right, the RW loves debt - my bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #47 January 23, 2007 QuoteI don't like his views on the second at all. He seems to be a really honest kind of guy. He was in AZ some mths back and the people out here loved him. His lack of voting record will help him more than hurt him I think since he can make statments and not have any real history to fight. So he can pretty much make his stands on the trail without past performance being thrown in his face...Like the GOP did with Kerry. And what past performance was that? Voting for the war after being lied to by the pres? Or actually going to Viet nam instead of teh chicken who won the race? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #48 January 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteUgh. To think there was once a time in my life (long ago) when I was seriously considering getting involved in politics and government. Yecch! Laws and sausage - two things you don't want to see being made... I don't think I would have liked seeing any of the Bush kids being made either Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #49 January 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote when the Clintons are in the race it is a "no holds barred" type In this way Obama has a distinct advantage. With less of a track record and what seems to be an relatively understated style, there's fewer things for Hillary to grab hold of. Hillary's record isn't exactly stellar, so it might put her on a defensive footing. Uh, how is her record bad? Oh that's right, the RW loves debt - my bad. Oh, I'm sure she'll come out on top... all those FBI files and such... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #50 January 23, 2007 QuoteAlready the hit jobs against this guy have begun: Started sooner than I expected. They must be really scared. They can't win by leading the country and inspring the nation, so they will try to win by destroying others._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
