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Okay, How about the claims he's trying to turn this country into a Christian theocracy???

That is certainly what a hell of a lot of his most ardent supporters from the religeous right expect.. They wanted the morality they deem as their own to be EVERYONES in the country. That is why they supported someone who they foolishly beleive is one of their own. We have a president who has openly told us that GOD has told him that this WAR is good...

" Onward Christian soldiers....marching off to war"

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We have a president who has openly told us that GOD has told him that this WAR is good.."

Source?

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Here ya go CUPCAKE

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml

President George W Bush told Palestinian ministers that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq - and create a Palestinian State, a new BBC series reveals.



In Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, a major three-part series on BBC TWO (at 9.00pm on Monday 10, Monday 17 and Monday 24 October), Abu Mazen, Palestinian Prime Minister, and Nabil Shaath, his Foreign Minister, describe their first meeting with President Bush in June 2003.



Nabil Shaath says: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'"



Abu Mazen was at the same meeting and recounts how President Bush told him: "I have a moral and religious obligation. So I will get you a Palestinian state."

And do not forget this one,,

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1075950,00.html

The book also shows that in the lead-up to announcing his candidacy for the presidency, Bush told a Texan evangelist that he had had a premonition of some form of national disaster happening.

Bush said to James Robinson: 'I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it.'

In another incident, Mansfield recounts how, on Palm Sunday last year, Bush was flying back from El Salvador aboard the presidential jet Air Force One and seemed to be destined to miss church.

However, knowing that Bush hated to miss a service, some officials suggested they worship in the air. Bush agreed, and soon 40 officials were crammed into the plane's conference room. The service was led by National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, while the lesson was read by close Bush aide Karen Hughes.

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I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan. And I did, and then God would tell me, George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq… And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East. And by God I'm gonna do it.
According to Palestinian negotiator Nabil Shaath, said by Bush to him, apparently in the same June 2003 meeting, as reported by BBC News [96]. Shaath later clarified this with "We understood that he was illustrating [in his comments] his strong faith and his belief that this is what God wanted." [97], i.e. Shaath didn't take Bush's statement literally.
Denied by White House spokesperson Scott McClellan, October 6, 2005. Denied also Mahmoud Abbas, who attended the meeting in question. Abbas said "This report is not true. I have never heard President Bush talking about religion as a reason behind the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. President Bush has never mentioned that in front of me on any occasion and specifically not during my visit in 2003."

I'll have to go reseearch the story about Bush telling a minister that he felt God was trying to send him a message.

And the last one - an impomptu service on Air force One - big whoop

Getting back to your claim We have a president who has openly told us that GOD has told him that this WAR is good..", we actually have the word of one person, who claims he heard something along those lines, in a private meeting and that he wasn't speaking literally... not to mention others dispute Bush said anything like that.

That "openly told us" bit is quite a stretch.

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And this is different than people slamming Bush for being Christian, how, exactly? Oddly enough, nobody ever brings up Bubba Jeff being Southern Baptist - why is that?

They don't claim to hear voices in their heads which they attribute to God.

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http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/041025/25divided.b.htm

Bush was more blunt in proclaiming his faith. "Prayer and religion sustain me. I receive calmness in the storm of the presidency," Bush said. "I believe that God wants everybody to be free," he added, noting that this view is "part of my foreign policy." Karl Rove, Bush's chief political strategist, wants to turn out 4 million more conservative Christians than voted in 2000, which he says would give Bush an election victory.

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"Prayer and religion sustain me. I receive calmness in the storm of the presidency,"

That statement bothers me about as much as if someone more secular were to say,

"I like to sit in silence for a few minutes each day and collect my thoughts and plan my day. It helps with the pressure of the job"

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"I meditate about 15 minutes each day to clear my head" while fingering their crystals

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"working out each day really relieves the stress" while checking out the triceps in the mirror

I don't see prayer and these actions as substantially different. Whatever gets a person through his tough spots is fine with me.

I'm sure the issue is whether any of these are out of moderation or the like. Though the phrase "calmness in the storm of the presidency" is a bit dramatic , I have no issue with someone saying prayer and religion 'sustains' them.

Training 4-way sustains me. Apparently that's a bit too blunt for the wacky lefties.

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IT is part of a larger group of statements he has made...when GOD is telling him its his will.... and the using his beliefs to start a"pre-emptive" WAR is hypocrisy to the highest degree towards what Christ taught.

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"Prayer and religion sustain me. I receive calmness in the storm of the presidency," Bush said. "I believe that God wants everybody to be free," he added, noting that this view is "part of my foreign policy."

And the above translates into "We have a president who has openly told us that GOD has told him that this WAR is good"?

Can you put both feet behind your head?

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..when GOD is telling him its his will....

it's already been shown that was Dick Cheney playing around with the White House intercom

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IT is part of a larger group of statements he has made...when GOD is telling him its his will.... and the using his beliefs to start a"pre-emptive" WAR is hypocrisy to the highest degree towards what Christ taught.

I guess you're giving up on actually proving any of this.

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I guess you're giving up on actually proving any of this.

Some of us actually do some work

http://pnews.org/ArT/EuR/GoD.shtml


Bush Doesn't Deny He Talks to God
I wonder if he also hears God answering him?
"President Bush has never disputed the story, recounted in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, that he himself told the Palestinian leadership, `God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam'. Then we have a similar account, courtesy of The Globe and Mail, of the President telling the Canadian Prime Minister he was carrying out divine commands." (Anwaar Hussain - Oct 2005 - Pakistan News Service)

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I dont think he has enough experience on the federal side of the hill. Not going to get my vote

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I guess you're giving up on actually proving any of this.

Some of us actually do some work

http://pnews.org/ArT/EuR/GoD.shtml


Bush Doesn't Deny He Talks to God
I wonder if he also hears God answering him?
"President Bush has never disputed the story, recounted in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, that he himself told the Palestinian leadership, `God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam'. Then we have a similar account, courtesy of The Globe and Mail, of the President telling the Canadian Prime Minister he was carrying out divine commands." (Anwaar Hussain - Oct 2005 - Pakistan News Service)

Now you're claiming that because he doesn't deny it, that makes it true???

Whereas if he did deny it, that would make it false.














I did not have sex with that woman.... that Monica Lewinsky.

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You just cant wrap your head around the fact that this is what the man BELIEVES...

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You just cant wrap your head around the fact that this is what the man BELIEVES...

You claim it's a fact, but you seem to be having a hard time finding facts that support what you claim.

Anyhow, you seem to think I have a number of beliefs, even though I've never stated them here in this forum.

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I posted link after link showing that Bushie feels God is telling him how to conduct his presidency... I posted some that also show manyh of his closest advisors are sure that GOD has placed him there for us at this critical time... and you just cant handle it.

I have listened to him STATE it in interviews... YOU go find something that tells us that he never claimed that GOD is sending him on this glorius christian crusade.

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I dont think he has enough experience on the federal side of the hill. Not going to get my vote

Most governors don't have federal experience either, and many have gone on to run for president. Since 1900, Presidents McKinley, Coolidge, FDR, Carter, Reagan, Clinton and Bush, Jr. all were governors.

Off the top of my head, I can think of Tom Dewey, Adlai Stevenson and Mike Dukakis who were governors before running for president.

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I posted link after link showing that Bushie feels God is telling him how to conduct his presidency... I posted some that also show manyh of his closest advisors are sure that GOD has placed him there for us at this critical time... and you just cant handle it.

I have listened to him STATE it in interviews... YOU go find something that tells us that he never claimed that GOD is sending him on this glorius christian crusade.

Earlier today, I made a statement about some posters making exagerated claims or extreme analogies (presumably because the simple truth is not that compelling). I think it was in a thread that got zapped. Anyway, this looks like a prime example.

First you say - ""We have a president who has openly told us that GOD has told him that this WAR is good"? "

When you efforts to prove that true fall flat, you make it about general statements of his faith.

There's a big difference in saying "I openly confess that I pray and sometimes feel God hears me" and claiming he told us that "God has told me this war is good".

It's about reading comprehension.

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wah wah wah...

Face it the fucktard believes what he believes and if you cant handle it dont support him....

All that right wing shit must really stick in your craw these days as he has fucked up so much.

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Of course, there's a huge gulf between what you claim as fact and what can confirmed as such.

Sorry, we don't have any firsthand evidence of Bush claiming to being a Christian Soldier. Not that the details would get in the way of how you perceive it.

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PSSST its an internet forum.... not a debating club.

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PSSST its an internet forum.... not a debating club.

True that. I'd get a kick out of seeing you in a formal debate.

BTW Today was fun. I recommend apply ice packs and sleep on your stomach.

Toodles.

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This time around people are listening and that's what will win in '08.

People say that every time, and yet it is always more of the same.

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Of course, there's a huge gulf between what you claim as fact and what can confirmed as such.

People do that all the time here.

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Sorry, we don't have any firsthand evidence of Bush claiming to being a Christian Soldier. Not that the details would get in the way of how you perceive it.

Most never let the little things like PROOF get in the way of opinion.