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Well, at the moment, I think the choice will be up to the FDA, but after that, yes, the choice should be left to the woman and her doctor, and hopefully, her partner.
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QuoteQuoteWell, at the moment, I think the choice will be up to the FDA, but after that, yes, the choice should be left to the woman and her doctor, and hopefully, her partner.
Agreed. Like yourself though, all I wish is for my child (children) to be healthy and happy.
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QuoteQuoteThat thar ram is a gay homosexual!
QuoteWell, there's all kinds of problems with that article:
1) He's talking about putting a patch on women to affect the fetus. Wouldn't that affect the woman as well? Wouldn't you be screwing with the woman's hormone levels, especially if you were trying to affect a male fetus?
2) There's no evidence that changing hormone levels in an adult ram is the same as changing hormone levels in a fetus.
3) The sex drive in humans is very different from those of other animals.
I don't think anyone knows what causes some people to lean towards homosexuality, but I doubt it is something as simple as giving hormones to the Mom during pregnancy.
All valid questions/points. Unfortunately I will have to wait for someone more knowledgable to address them . I agree that it might not be as simple as with an animal.
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Historically, homosexuality has been selected against very strongly by evolution. The fact that it remains at all indicates that it is either serves a societal purpose, or our basic makeup makes some homosexuality inevitable. .
Either that, or the Intelligent Designer likes to have a few gays around to work on the decor.
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I was wondering. If you eat some (a lot of) good lamb chops from a gay sheep will you turn gay?Quote>citing "the right of sheep to be gay."
Given that we eat them, I find that sort of funny. No right to live, but a right to be gay.
>How then can those who support a woman's unconditional right to kill
>her own healthy female fetus logically balk at a benign intervention that
>will optimize the chances of a living child having the sexual orientation
>preferred by the parents?
Keep in mind that if we can determine a hormonal "scale" that determines predisposition towards sexual orientation - it can be used both ways. (And indeed, if it is OK to use it one way, you don't have much of an argument that it can't be used in the other direction.)
Historically, homosexuality has been selected against very strongly by evolution. The fact that it remains at all indicates that it is either serves a societal purpose, or our basic makeup makes some homosexuality inevitable. In either case, there must be strong pressures _for_ homosexuality inherent in the human race. Once parents can make the decision to propagate such a trait, I'd expect it to become more common. (If that is even possible, that is.)
And I'd expect THAT to be the really big stink concerning such a choice.
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QuoteThat thar ram is a gay homosexual!
Well, there's all kinds of problems with that article:
1) He's talking about putting a patch on women to affect the fetus. Wouldn't that affect the woman as well? Wouldn't you be screwing with the woman's hormone levels, especially if you were trying to affect a male fetus?
2) There's no evidence that changing hormone levels in an adult ram is the same as changing hormone levels in a fetus.
3) The sex drive in humans is very different from those of other animals.
4) The immediate assumption that simply because someone is "pro-choice" on abortion then they must be pro-choice on any issue of actually altering a child that will be born.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
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Quoteit can be used both ways. (And indeed, if it is OK to use it one way, you don't have much of an argument that it can't be used in the other direction.)
Except for abortion. It's the woman's right to choose, but the father has no say in the matter.
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QuoteI was wondering. If you eat some (a lot of) good lamb chops from a gay sheep will you turn gay
Don't eat lamb chops.
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Quote4) The immediate assumption that simply because someone is "pro-choice" on abortion then they must be pro-choice on any issue of actually altering a child that will be born.
Why though does a woman have the right to choose to kill a fetus but not give it hormones to choose it's orientation. Do not get me wrong, I think people should be happy to accept whatever baby nature gives them, but again the argument is that it is not anyones place to say what a woman can do with her body.
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QuoteWhy though does a woman have the right to choose to kill a fetus but not give it hormones to choose it's orientation.
You're really sad that nobody in this thread is actually arguing that side, aren't you?
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QuoteQuoteWhy though does a woman have the right to choose to kill a fetus but not give it hormones to choose it's orientation.
You're really sad that nobody in this thread is actually arguing that side, aren't you?
And he said that where, exactly?
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QuoteYou're really sad that nobody in this thread is actually arguing that side, aren't you?
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Parents should be prepared for the positive or negative repercussions they may face when they inform their child that they modified their genetics to obtain a desired sexual orientation (or some other physical/mental/etc... trait).
"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch
I've got no opinion in the matter but hey! This oughta stir things up:
What do you think of parents manipulating their kids' hormornes not so they become straight but so they're guaranteed to become gay?
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What do you think of parents manipulating their kids' hormornes not so they become straight but so they're guaranteed to become gay?
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QuoteQuoteParents should be prepared for the positive or negative repercussions they may face when they inform their child that they modified their genetics to obtain a desired sexual orientation (or some other physical/mental/etc... trait).
So this brings in to question the parental obligations of a mother after she decides to choose not to abort. I am not sure about that one. Do you have a take on it?
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
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QuoteQuoteParents should be prepared for the positive or negative repercussions they may face when they inform their child that they modified their genetics to obtain a desired sexual orientation (or some other physical/mental/etc... trait).
So this brings in to question the parental obligations of a mother after she decides to choose not to abort. I am not sure about that one. Do you have a take on it?
Can you clarify, I am not sure what you are asking.
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QuoteWhat do you think of parents manipulating their kids' hormornes not so they become straight but so they're guaranteed to become gay?
Bilvon has already posed this question. As I said above, I personally do not like the idea of manipulating the orientation be it to make the child either straight or gay, but felt it was ultimately a womans choice. If it is to be allowed to make a child straight then I cannot see how you could argue against someone making a child gay. It is a two way street. I am not sure how I would feel about my parents making such a choice for me before I was born be it one way or the other. Is it ethical to decide what your child is going to be rather than allowing him/her to be what fate meant for him/her to be?
Personally all I would want is for my kid to be born healthy.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
I agree with you 100% in that I see it as being distastefull. But shouln't the choice ultimately be up to the woman?
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