Bush backs down on warrantless snooping

[rushmc 23]

I will stop at this.

No law was flouted as you put it. Just simple misrepresentions from you and other for a political hit.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,182]

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I will stop at this.

No law was flouted as you put it. Just simple misrepresentions from you and other for a political hit.

So you can't prove your point. OK.

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I will stop at this.

No law was flouted as you put it. Just simple misrepresentions from you and other for a political hit.

So you can't prove your point. OK.

He can't ever prove his points. He's admitted that.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[rushmc 23]

Not every. And even if I try you condem all sources not meeting your aproval so why even try.

Should you ever like an open debate let me know. But you will have to stop spinning the issues

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

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Not every. And even if I try you condem all sources not meeting your aproval so why even try.

Should you ever like an open debate let me know. But you will have to stop spinning the issues

*** cough cough****

BS


I provided sources from your approved right wing list ( FOXNEWS) and you chose not to listen.. yet again... I guess Lush Rimjob has to say it before any meaningful parroting can begin

[billvon 3,132]

Right wingers bash left wingers because they never say anything good about Bush.

Someone posts something about a good call Bush made, and right wingers bash it because they don't like how it was phrased.

I swear, someone here could post "you know, that other party isn't so bad after all" and someone would post something like "too bad you didn't blah blah blah Clinton!" (or "blah blah blah Bush!")

[kallend 2,182]

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Right wingers bash left wingers because they never say anything good about Bush.

Someone posts something about a good call Bush made, and right wingers bash it because they don't like how it was phrased.

I swear, someone here could post "you know, that other party isn't so bad after all" and someone would post something like "too bad you didn't blah blah blah Clinton!" (or "blah blah blah Bush!")

You know, I thought Bush was right to invade Afghanistan.

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You know, I thought Bush was right to invade Afghanistan.

Ditto

Too bad he has the attention span of a sabre tooth gnat though.. and did not pursue the people who ACTUALLY did attack us.

[rehmwa 2]

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You know, I thought Bush was right to invade Afghanistan.

Ditto

Too bad he has the attention span of a sabre tooth gnat though.. and did not pursue the people who ACTUALLY did attack us.

gackkkkk - Kallend was setting it up for a response from someone to prove Billvon's post above his - i.e., he posted something nice without qualifiers to see if someone would gig on it - making a statement that someone like you would post something like you did before you actually did it.

But then you did it from the left instead of waiting for someone from the right to do it and ruined the trap.

thanks a lot, it would have been funny

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[rehmwa 2]

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You know, I thought Bush was right to invade Afghanistan.

So now there's no point, but here it goes.....


nice jab Kallend - posting that Bush was "right" (right wing is your obvious and insulting inference) instead of Bush was 'correct' -

real subtle way to perpetuate the Bushbashfest by pretending you like something he was involved in. It would be fine, except Clinton did things with a cigar - just admit it.

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real subtle way to perpetuate the Bushbashfest by pretending you like something he was involved in. It would be fine, except Clinton did things with a cigar - just admit it.

I really DID think and still think that we were in the right to go to Afghanistan.... and with a bit more pressure.. to the NW Territories where Osama and FRiends are hanging out.
They are the ones who attacked us..... we had the whole freaking world with us... go get the evildoes and administer JUSTICE.....

BUT NOOOOOOO Cheney and his Neo-Con Kabalists wanted to nationbuild and increase their profits... with OIL from Iraq...

Afghanistan.. resource poor.. was not the place to ensure them the lifestyle they wanted to become accustomed to.

[NCclimber 0]

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Right wingers bash left wingers because they never say anything good about Bush.

Someone posts something about a good call Bush made, and right wingers bash it because they don't like how it was phrased.

I swear, someone here could post "you know, that other party isn't so bad after all" and someone would post something like "too bad you didn't blah blah blah Clinton!" (or "blah blah blah Bush!")

Here's a classic from Lucky.

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***I never said his presidency was a disaster. Clinton did make some smart moves, some in the spotlight and some not talked about very much.

Who cares about what is talked about, what impact did these moves have on the country? Clinton's presidency was awesome, it was like the roaring 20's in that people were finally happy, the ruch as well as the poor were prosperous. The mood was that of less opression too. Perhaps the moralists were unhappy, but I say, "Fuck them."

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As far as politics go he is probably the best politician our generation will ever see, I just don't agree with a lot of things he did or his reasoning behind those decisions.

Like what? Gave rights to gays in the military? Why is the reasoning so important? I think it's important to reason well to make sound decisions, but to dislike he reasoning and like he reult is very semantic.

Shouldn't we demand sound decisions and positive results from our leaders?

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One good example is the "assault weapons ban". It was nothing more than a feel-good measure that did nothing to hinder crime. It banned certain firearms for no more reason than their appearence while ignoring the fact that most of the weapons banned fell short of our own military's definition of an assault weapon.

Totally agree. Add that to my list. At the same time, GHW Bush had his NRA card revoked for his measures and GW Bush said he would sign the AWB if Congress put it thru, fortunately they did not. This is somethng many leaders do to revoke power from the masses, not excusable, but not limited to Clinton.

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Another was his views on welfare and entitlements. He had the opportunity to make real changes and didn't. Changes that would have differentiated between those who cannot work and those who will not work. I have no problem helping out those who need help, but Iresent my money being taken and given to people whose only effort in life is to cheat the system.

What you're asking for is an impossibility. There is really no way to sort them out and to refuse help for the needy to reject help for the lazy is, well, very Republican. Just as the Repubs don't care about executing innocent people, they focus on executing the guilty calling the few innocent condemned, "collateral damage" as if they were McVeih's brother. So you would rather starve out the needy to the prevent the lazy?

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I know a lot of people like to discuss the effects of a president on the economy, but I try to avoid those discussions.

If my party fucked the economy the way yours has I would avoid too. Perhaps I would switch parties, which is what I did do.

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My feeling and belief is that the economy of the U.S. is too complex and affected by an almost infinite number of variables for any one person to calculate what will happen if we cut taxes or raise taxes, or any other move we could make.

That's teh old expression that I think is now defunct. Not vetoing 1 bill for almost 6 years defines how 1 person do a lot, even if by way of doing nothing. Cutting taxes, increasing spending.

So are you saying the trainwreck that incidentally has occurred during the Reagan, Bush, Bush years, versus the fiscal dream that just accidentally occured during the Clinton years establish nothing? Please.

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If maneuvering our economy was that simple then there would be no argument about what to do. It has been said, and I agree, that a president has virtually no control on the economy while in office, that it runs in cycles and pity the fool in office when it bottoms out.

So Bush's multi-100 billion$$$ giveaway had ni efect on the fiscal gov? Nice. 1993 Omnibus Spending Bill had no effect? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, the pres sits there and waits for his term to end. YAWN.

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The best and smartest thing Clinton did for the economy while in office was to, for the most part, leave it alone.

He far from left it alone, but I see it makes the argument the best if we can pretend he sat there waiting for head all the time. I don't expect to change anyone's mind, I just get amused by the Repubs trippoing, gagging and changing what they can to try to avoid this:

http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm

PURE COINCIDENCE.... even tho there is great repeatability.

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