NCclimber 0 #26 January 17, 2007 QuoteThese students are just chickenhawks in training Clearly, you're not one to make kneejerk assumptions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #27 January 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>I would prefer to send him and his buddies links to the local recruiting offices. Now that's just ridiculous. They might get hurt! Sure, they support their country, but that's not - like - something to get killed over. Patriotism has limits, you know. But they do strongly support the rights of _other_ people to die for their beliefs. As opposed to Liberals who "say" they support the troops but have never visited wounded soldiers? I find it pretty sad that you would bash a group who is inviting all students, regardless of their views on the war, to join them in supporting the troops by actually visiting injured soldiers. Very sad indeed. Visiting injured troops is for old liberal guys like me - I volunteer at a local Veterans' Hospital. These students are just chickenhawks in training - they can actually put their bodies where their mouths are, and like my (liberal) son did. And you know this for a fact, how? Please provide us with the number of them that are in the ROTC Program and the number who are not. I asked first Read the thread. I'm not the one claiming they are chickenhawks. assuming they have no intention of serving in the military, calling their support of the troops "crap", saying this is the only thing they can do to support the war, and that they haven't even considered the possibility of going to war. I'm not the one insinuating that the GW Republicans are enrolled in ROTC. Why bring up ROTC if you have no FACTS relevant to this thread? Because bringing up the fact that GWU has an active ROTC Program counters the absolutes of those doing the bashing. It means it's possible that some if not many college Republicans are in fact enrolled in the ROTC Program and it's possible not all of them are a bunch of chickenhawks etc..like they have been portrayed in this thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #28 January 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteThese students are just chickenhawks in training Clearly, you're not one to make kneejerk assumptions. And clearly he is unable to back up his knee-jerk assumption. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #29 January 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThese students are just chickenhawks in training Clearly, you're not one to make kneejerk assumptions. And clearly he is unable to back up his knee-jerk assumption. It will be interesting to see how many enlist, won't it? You still have made NO CASE for any correlation between the Republican Club and ROTC. (As an aside, my fiancee is National Secretary/Treasurer for the Association of Navy ROTC Colleges and Universities. To the best of my knowledge she did not have to be a registered Republican to be elected.)... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #30 January 17, 2007 >You are aware GWU has an ROTC Program aren't you? Yep, and that's great. I was not commenting on them. I was commenting on this editorial written by the chairman of the GW College Republicans, which is a club within the school. (Note that the club called the GW College Republicans does not equal ROTC.) You may now continue your misinterpretations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #31 January 17, 2007 QuoteIt will be interesting to see how many enlist, won't it? You still have made NO CASE for any correlation between the Republican Club and ROTC. Based on how the officials in GMs administration did on a percentage basis I would say that the chances of any of the GWU REpublican Club Enlisting is about the same chance as a snowball has in hell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #32 January 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThese students are just chickenhawks in training Clearly, you're not one to make kneejerk assumptions. And clearly he is unable to back up his knee-jerk assumption. It will be interesting to see how many enlist, won't it? You still have made NO CASE for any correlation between the Republican Club and ROTC. (As an aside, my fiancee is National Secretary/Treasurer for the Association of Navy ROTC Colleges and Universities. To the best of my knowledge she did not have to be a registered Republican to be elected.) Lovely reply. Too bad it does nothing to back up your claim of "These students are just chickenhawks in training" Right up there with amazon's claim that you can't find anyone willing to admit they voted for Bush or Billvon's claim that right-wingers can't admit that more people voted for Gore than for Bush. You guys crack me up. And then there's your classic assertion that opponents of the Florida minimum wage effort predicted "hundreds of thousands of unemployed" if the law passed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #33 January 17, 2007 They are just following the lead of their hero's in the Administration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #34 January 17, 2007 QuoteThey are just following the lead of their hero's in the Administration. And you are just following the lead of your hero's not in the Administration. PS: People from both sides can and do think on their own."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #35 January 17, 2007 QuotePS: People from both sides can and do think on their own. That's just something you read or heard on the radio. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #36 January 17, 2007 Quote>You are aware GWU has an ROTC Program aren't you? Yep, and that's great. I was not commenting on them. I was commenting on this editorial written by the chairman of the GW College Republicans, which is a club within the school. (Note that the club called the GW College Republicans does not equal ROTC.) You may now continue your misinterpretations. And you may continue your bash of a group that is trying to do something nice like encouraging students, regardless of their views on the war to visit some injured soldiers. Heck, these "Chickenhawks" might actually do something horrible like make a soldiers day a little brighter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #37 January 17, 2007 QuoteAnd you know this for a fact, how? Please provide us with the number of them that are in the ROTC Program and the number who are not. http://www.uwire.com/content//topnews050405003.html QuoteMembership in Georgetown's program, the Hoya Battalion, is currently 86 cadets, including students from nearby Catholic, American, George Washington and Marymount Universities the Hoya BN is apparently composed of the ROTC programs from 3 schools.. so as you can see participation by students of ANY political stripe is rather low... and yes i will continue to 'bash' those who advocate war without SERVING at all. It is hypocrisy of the highest order.. in fact i'd be very willing to amend the constitution (ala R.Hienlein) to disallow those who have NEVER served any vote or role in Government at all..you should REALLY have put YOUR ass on the line before you ask the same of anyone else..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #38 January 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThese students are just chickenhawks in training Clearly, you're not one to make kneejerk assumptions. And clearly he is unable to back up his knee-jerk assumption. It will be interesting to see how many enlist, won't it? You still have made NO CASE for any correlation between the Republican Club and ROTC. (As an aside, my fiancee is National Secretary/Treasurer for the Association of Navy ROTC Colleges and Universities. To the best of my knowledge she did not have to be a registered Republican to be elected.) Lovely reply. Too bad it does nothing to back up your claim of "These students are just chickenhawks in training" It's my opinion. The GOP IS the party of chickenhawks, and these are the chicks.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #39 January 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteAnd you know this for a fact, how? Please provide us with the number of them that are in the ROTC Program and the number who are not. http://www.uwire.com/content//topnews050405003.html QuoteMembership in Georgetown's program, the Hoya Battalion, is currently 86 cadets, including students from nearby Catholic, American, George Washington and Marymount Universities[ the Hoya BN is apparently composed of the ROTC programs from 3 schools.. so as you can see participation by students of ANY political stripe is rather low... They have a NROTC program too, with 5 schools participating.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #40 January 17, 2007 QuoteQuote>You are aware GWU has an ROTC Program aren't you? Yep, and that's great. I was not commenting on them. I was commenting on this editorial written by the chairman of the GW College Republicans, which is a club within the school. (Note that the club called the GW College Republicans does not equal ROTC.) You may now continue your misinterpretations. And you may continue your bash of a group that is trying to do something nice like encouraging students, regardless of their views on the war to visit some injured soldiers. Heck, these "Chickenhawks" might actually do something horrible like make a soldiers day a little brighter. And can you back up your assertion that liberals don't visit veterans' hospitals?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #41 January 17, 2007 QuoteAnd can you back up your assertion that liberals don't visit veterans' hospitals? sure, they're the ones out front with the signs and the beads and the clever rhyming chants - Down with Medicine. Stop animal testing. Homer Bad Man. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #42 January 17, 2007 Quotesure, they're the ones out front with the signs and the beads and the clever rhyming chants - Down with Medicine. Stop animal testing. Homer Bad Man. In the politically correct terminolgy of the right wing posters of dropzone.com.........DO YOU HAVE A CITE for that... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #43 January 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote>You are aware GWU has an ROTC Program aren't you? Yep, and that's great. I was not commenting on them. I was commenting on this editorial written by the chairman of the GW College Republicans, which is a club within the school. (Note that the club called the GW College Republicans does not equal ROTC.) You may now continue your misinterpretations. And you may continue your bash of a group that is trying to do something nice like encouraging students, regardless of their views on the war to visit some injured soldiers. Heck, these "Chickenhawks" might actually do something horrible like make a soldiers day a little brighter. And can you back up your assertion that liberals don't visit veterans' hospitals? Can you show where I said that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #44 January 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>You are aware GWU has an ROTC Program aren't you? Yep, and that's great. I was not commenting on them. I was commenting on this editorial written by the chairman of the GW College Republicans, which is a club within the school. (Note that the club called the GW College Republicans does not equal ROTC.) You may now continue your misinterpretations. And you may continue your bash of a group that is trying to do something nice like encouraging students, regardless of their views on the war to visit some injured soldiers. Heck, these "Chickenhawks" might actually do something horrible like make a soldiers day a little brighter. And can you back up your assertion that liberals don't visit veterans' hospitals? Can you show where I said that? A reasonable inference from "As opposed to Liberals who "say" they support the troops but have never visited wounded soldiers? " Clearly you're claiming this is a specifically liberal trait, or you'd say "people" or "folks" instead of "liberals"?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #45 January 18, 2007 QuoteQuote>I would prefer to send him and his buddies links to the local recruiting offices. Now that's just ridiculous. They might get hurt! Sure, they support their country, but that's not - like - something to get killed over. Patriotism has limits, you know. But they do strongly support the rights of _other_ people to die for their beliefs. As opposed to Liberals who "say" they support the troops but have never visited wounded soldiers? That is very, very, very close to reality. The last Democrat to visit WRAMC was Senator Kerry. No one would see him. He is the only Democrat I can recall visiting in the past 9 months. Even "opposition" republicans come, one whom I've seen several times, and talked with, is Senator Hagel. He comes to see whom he calls, "his boys from Nebraska." A very gracious gentleman, and one whom I might add has left his politics at the water's edge, while seeking to influence a further revision in foreign policy. QuoteI find it pretty sad that you would bash a group who is inviting all students, regardless of their views on the war, to join them in supporting the troops by actually visiting injured soldiers. Very sad indeed. The criticism didn't really make sense to me either.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #46 January 18, 2007 QuoteAhh great returns from the party of morality.... oops you guys have not been doing so good in that area for a while now... Funny how they ignore their leader's indiscretions and act as if they are still revered as the party of morality..... perhaps they didn't get the memo called every newspaper..... or perhaps living in the past or in denial Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #47 January 18, 2007 QuoteI find it pretty sad that you would bash a group who is inviting all students, regardless of their views on the war, to join them in supporting the troops by actually visiting injured soldiers. Very sad indeed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The criticism didn't really make sense to me either. Simple Max.... Most of the Article is about supporting the WAR.. not about the troops who have given so much over there/// If the little fucktards want to support the WAR so much.. then they can go enlist since their country needs them to swell the ranks... BUT.. We all know they are far too busy and too important Like Cheney... Wolfowitcz...Lush Rimjob.. and all the other Bang the War Drum right wingers out there who.. do not want to put themselves in harms way.. or now their kids... unlike OTHERS.. likeKallend... or Webb... And as far as Dems... visiting....Last time I checked not everyone is required to wear their party affiliation on their forhead yet. Perhaps not many of the politician types may have come in... but I bet there were plenty of normal people there with family and friends who did not vote the same way you voted. I have lived a long time Max.. and this was the same kind if drivel we had to listen to back in the late 60's and early 70's..from the same class of HAWKS... to cowardly to enlist themselves.. from the same group of people... Hell Cheney could have written the same thing.... 40 years ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #48 January 18, 2007 Quote And you may continue your bash of a group that is trying to do something nice like encouraging students, regardless of their views on the war to visit some injured soldiers. Heck, these "Chickenhawks" might actually do something horrible like make a soldiers day a little brighter. Hopefully they will. I think it's a great idea and the only thing that would ruin it would be for the chairman to stand up in front of the group at the hospital and give a speech supporting Bush's war plan. Hope that doesn't happen. Of course there's the distinct possibility that many of them may just graduate, and get elected so that they can then propose multiple $70 million off budget spending requests FOR THE TROOPS....which acutally provide $15 million for the troops and $55 million for the multinational contractors working through K street. Yea, I'm cynical....but they make it soooooooo easy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #49 January 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteI find it pretty sad that you would bash a group who is inviting all students, regardless of their views on the war, to join them in supporting the troops by actually visiting injured soldiers. Very sad indeed. The criticism didn't really make sense to me either. Simple Max.... Most of the Article is about supporting the WAR.. not about the troops who have given so much over there/// What I read from the original post, it appeared to me as an appeal to support the troops, and their mission. QuoteBUT.. We all know they are far too busy and too important Like Cheney... Wolfowitcz...Lush Rimjob.. and all the other Bang the War Drum right wingers out there who.. do not want to put themselves in harms way.. or now their kids... unlike OTHERS.. likeKallend... or Webb... Don't forget that Senator McCain's son is over there too, and he is a staunch supporter of this revised plan. Vice-President Cheney has had a heart condition for a long time, even if he wanted to serve, he wouldn't pass the medical. Dr. Wolfowitz was not the only person whose college attendence allowed him to stay out of combat, (it's about the same as the right screaming about President Clinton's BJ) . QuoteAnd as far as Dems... visiting....Last time I checked not everyone is required to wear their party affiliation on their forhead yet. Perhaps not many of the politician types may have come in... but I bet there were plenty of normal people there with family and friends who did not vote the same way you voted. That's not what I was talking about. I have no doubt, or issue with how people vote. I can tell you first hand, that of the high-level politicians that visit WRAMC, and there are a lot, the overwhelming majority have not been from the political left. It's that simple. QuoteI have lived a long time Max.. and this was the same kind if drivel we had to listen to back in the late 60's and early 70's.. I've not lived quite as long, but I've been around the sun plenty, I've seen the "softer way" fail time-and-again. If everyone was genuinely sacrificing something in this deal, I think the mentality would be much different, and the sniveling would be much less. Back on topic: The guys in the hospital love getting visitors, no matter who it is. If it's some politician, ladies auxiliary group, school kid, college student, whatever...we love it. I can tell you that the ones that have had staying power have been the pro-troop supporters giving up their Friday nights, greeting the wounded coming back to the hospital from a "friday night dinner". The protestors haven't been around in months. Though they claim to love the troops and want us home, they don't talk to us, they don't visit anyone.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #50 January 18, 2007 Quote>Too bad you can't see that as a positive thing to do and think the > only way to show support for the troops is to "get their asses in > uniform". Personally I think it's great that they're doing that. I also think it's funny that it's the only thing they can think of doing to support the war effort. I don't think they are saying "I don't want to go to war" - I don't think they have even considered the possibility. Wars are fought by other people. See below. I read a book recently called "The Rape of Alma Mater" - it's a fictionalized look at the education system and how it's changed from the 60's through to modern day. Quite an interesting read, and shows how the attitudes of the 60's are coming home to roost, today.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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