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QuoteUh.. Mike.. its already proven that they wiretap domestically.. open and read mail... and with KArl Rove in there if you beleive NONE of that is used for political advantage... then might I suggest looking up delusional...
Go read about some fo the dirty tricks used against the anti war movbement during the 60's.... by... OIMG the REpublicans....and I guess Whitewater was just a fluke.. Most of this administration learned their craft in the Nixon Whitehouse.. but I guess that is ok with you.
Bush has a mindset all to reminiscent to Nixon.. and that is just one hell of a lot of paranoia to tie up in just one"leader"
There's been domestic wiretapping for decades... it's sticking in your craw because it's an administration that you don't like that's doing it now. On quite a lot of the things that you're griping about this administration doing, Clinton did the same or worse - and didn't even have the excuse of doing it for security reasons, but solely to cover his ass.
Mike
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mnealtx 0
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The Neo-Fatherland Security will be watching.
Yup...all those FBI files Laura has stashed in her office, right?
Man, your Clinton fetish is in full bloom today!
What's up? Saving "travel gate" for when we start a war with Iran and Syria
Actually, I shouldn't make too much fun of this. I really do miss the days when Congress demanded accountability of the executive branch. Too bad we had to swing from one extreme (over 1000 subpeonas) to the other (zero).
Kinda like your Bush fetish, no?
I'm just showing that BOTH sides of the aisle do it...
Mike
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mnealtx 0
QuoteA government who rids itself of all who disagree is a government out of control.
Which is what we have now.
Then you need to resign your position and clearance and follow your ideology, if that is what you feel is happening.
Mike
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rehmwa 2
QuoteYou have a perfect right to state your disagreement with the direction the government is taking in Iraq.
The government also has a perfect right to let you go if they feel you cannot be trusted, especially since you are in some sort of sensitive position.
Above are two completely separate things.
1 - If they are considered by the employee's bosses to be 1 thing, then those bosses are in the wrong. (Zipp0's opinion)
2 - If the employee thinks they are 1 thing (i.e., his disagreements will require him to violate his clearances and contracts), then he is untrustworthy and must be let go. It's up to the government to investigate the employee and determine if he can continue to do the job regardless of his political statements.
I think that if Zipp0 has a boss that doesn't understand the above and will knee jerk a firing decision, then he should take action with his chain of command to correct that situation. If the entire chain is that way, he should quit and make a huge stink.
But, if he doesn't address his direct manager first and is just assuming the conspiracy, then it's just a bunch of posturing.
Z - Have you sat down with your boss and said "I'd like to attend a rally/give a speech/attend a march/(whatever). How would this be viewed around here and even if viewed badly would there be any actions taken against me?
usually directness and honesty goes a long way
frankly, if you have clearance and are hiding your reservations from your employers, then that is a clear indication that someone could compromise you. They find something on you that you don't want your bosses to know, and then use that as blackmail for intel........
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
Amazon 7
QuoteThere's been domestic wiretapping for decades... it's sticking in your craw because it's an administration that you don't like that's doing it now. On quite a lot of the things that you're griping about this administration doing, Clinton did the same or worse
BS... there were laws put in place the last time you guys got caught doing it in the Nixon Administration.
Clinton followed the statutes in the FISA Courts or the right wing would have been all over him with something more tangible than a freakin blow job...
Cant have it both ways .
I prefer the rule of LAW..... I know.. such a pain to have to follow the law... but its what this country is based on..
WHEN an administration goes outside the law.... wiretaps.. domestic surveilance....not following the will of the WILL of the people.. then the government deserves to be slapped down.. FAST and HARD.
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>How can we stop Bush?
Vote for someone else next time.
Whatever sad consequences his folly will have for our country and our military, at least it's a godsend to someone - the democrats. At this point Ted Kennedy could run for president and win on the simple platform "I'm not Bush."
Vote for someone else next time.
Whatever sad consequences his folly will have for our country and our military, at least it's a godsend to someone - the democrats. At this point Ted Kennedy could run for president and win on the simple platform "I'm not Bush."
Amazon 7
QuoteAt this point Ted Kennedy could run for president and win on the simple platform "I'm not Bush."
ARRRRGGGHHH now that is scary...
but probably true.
Maybe we could just ask Ted to drive Osama and all the others home.
Zipp0 1
The guidelines for granting a clearance have nothing to do with "political statements" or ideaology.
They look at mainly:
1. Things that make you vulnerable to blackmail - large debt, sexual conduct (cheating) drug use
2. Foreign contacts
3. Friends and associates, and their opinion of your trustworthiness.
4. Patriotism and allegiance to country.
5. Membership in subversive organizations
They look at you overall, and a 'hit' on a single one of these issues does not necessarily disqualify you.
Or I guess only neo-con republican chickenhawks should be clearable????
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They look at mainly:
1. Things that make you vulnerable to blackmail - large debt, sexual conduct (cheating) drug use
2. Foreign contacts
3. Friends and associates, and their opinion of your trustworthiness.
4. Patriotism and allegiance to country.
5. Membership in subversive organizations
They look at you overall, and a 'hit' on a single one of these issues does not necessarily disqualify you.
Or I guess only neo-con republican chickenhawks should be clearable????
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Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.
Amazon 7
I would have settled for King George to STAY THE COURSE.......in Afghanistan... and taken care of business.. but then again he has never really been good at that thruout his business carreer.
Daddies friends dont seem to be able to bail him out of this one this time.
Daddies friends dont seem to be able to bail him out of this one this time.
Amazon 7
QuoteOr I guess only neo-con republican chickenhawks should be clearable????
BINGO....In their ideal world.. you got it.
Zipp0 1
QuoteQuoteYou have a perfect right to state your disagreement with the direction the government is taking in Iraq.
The government also has a perfect right to let you go if they feel you cannot be trusted, especially since you are in some sort of sensitive position.
Above are two completely separate things.
1 - If they are considered by the employee's bosses to be 1 thing, then those bosses are in the wrong. (Zipp0's opinion)
2 - If the employee thinks they are 1 thing (i.e., his disagreements will require him to violate his clearances and contracts), then he is untrustworthy and must be let go. It's up to the government to investigate the employee and determine if he can continue to do the job regardless of his political statements.
I think that if Zipp0 has a boss that doesn't understand the above and will knee jerk a firing decision, then he should take action with his chain of command to correct that situation. If the entire chain is that way, he should quit and make a huge stink.
But, if he doesn't address his direct manager first and is just assuming the conspiracy, then it's just a bunch of posturing.
Z - Have you sat down with your boss and said "I'd like to attend a rally/give a speech/attend a march/(whatever). How would this be viewed around here and even if viewed badly would there be any actions taken against me?
usually directness and honesty goes a long way
frankly, if you have clearance and are hiding your reservations from your employers, then that is a clear indication that someone could compromise you. They find something on you that you don't want your bosses to know, and then use that as blackmail for intel........
Frankly, you have no idea what you are talking about. Hiding reservations? About what? The reason for a background investigation is partly to know that there is not a whole lot you can be blackmailed with.
Secondly, my boss is not my concern. I have a sterling record, am a constant top performer, and get along with everyone. My concern would be with those who I do not work with - the guys in dark sunglasses with political motivations - the ones that videotape protests for one reason or another.
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Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.
mnealtx 0
Does the word "Carnivore" sound familiar?
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
Andy9o8 2
Quote>How can we stop Bush?
Vote for someone else next time.
Sorry, but that doesn't answer the question about what We The People can or should do about this now.
Or THIS GUY>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyismQuoteUh.. Mike.. its already proven that they wiretap domestically..spy domestically against americans open and read mail... and with KArl Rove in there if you beleive NONE of that is used for political advantage... then might I suggest looking up delusional...
Go read about some fo the dirty tricks used against the anti war movement during the 60's.... by... OMG the Republicans....and I guess Whitewater was just a fluke.. Most of this administration learned their craft in the Nixon Whitehouse.. but I guess that is ok with you.
Bush has a mindset all to reminiscent to Nixon.. and that is just one hell of a lot of paranoia to tie up in just one"leader"
I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
A government who rids itself of all who disagree is a government out of control.
Which is what we have now.
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Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.
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