Just because people like to whine

[GQ_jumper 4]

I found this on myspace, I know comparing our recent blizzards to Katrina isn't exactly an even playing field, but the basic context should open a few eyes.

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This just in from a reader in Denver....


WEATHER BULLETIN

Up here, in the "Mile-Hi City", we just recovered from a Historic event
--- may I even say a "Weather Event" of "Biblical Proportions" --- with
a historic blizzard of up to 44" inches of snow and winds to 90 MPH that
broke trees in half, knocked down utility poles, stranded hundreds of
motorists in lethal snow banks, closed ALL roads, isolated scores of
communities and cut power to 10's of thousands, cancelled over 2000
flights which stranded thousands of passengers in the airport.

FYI:

George Bush did not come.

FEMA did nothing.

No one howled for the government.

No one blamed George Bush or the government.

No one even uttered an expletive on TV.

Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton did not visit.

Our Mayor did not blame George Bush or anyone else.

Our Governor did not blame George Bush or anyone else, either.

CNN, ABC, CBS, FOX or NBC did not visit - or report on this category 5
snowstorm. Nobody demanded $2,000 debit cards.

No one asked for a FEMA Trailer House.

No one looted.

Nobody - I mean Nobody demanded the government do something.

Nobody expected the government to do anything, either.

No Larry King, No Bill O'Rielly, No Oprah, No Chris Mathews and No
Geraldo Rivera.

No Shaun Penn, No Barbara Striesand, No Hollywood types to be found.

Nope, we just melted the snow for water.

Sent out caravans of SUV's to pluck people out of snow engulfed cars.

The truck drivers pulled people out of snow banks and didn't ask for a
penny.

Local restaurants made food and the police and fire departments
delivered it to the snowbound families.

Families took in the stranded people - total strangers.

We fired up wood stoves, broke out coal oil lanterns or Coleman
lanterns.

We put on extra layers of clothes because up here it is "Work or Die".

We did not wait for some affirmative action government to get us out of
a mess created by being immobilized by a welfare program that trades
votes for 'sittin at home' checks.

Even though a Category "5" blizzard of this scale has never fallen this
early, we know it can happen and how to deal with it ourselves.

"In my many travels, I have noticed that once one gets north of about 48
degrees North Latitude, 90% of the world's social problems evaporate."

It does seem that way, at least to me. I hope this gets passed on.

Maybe SOME people will get the message. The world does Not owe you a
living.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

[billvon 3,132]

Comparing a blizzard in Colorado to a storm that destroyed tens of thousands of homes is a bit silly.

Take that exact same blizzard and blow ten thousand homes and buildings to bits. Then destroy all the roads in and around Denver. Then have the snow freeze solid to a depth of ten feet, such that it would take three months to remove it from the roads. Then you might have a similar situation.

And in that situation, if emergency services waited around until 1000 people froze to death before they took action, their surviving family members might raise a similar sort of ruckus as the one you heard after Katrina.

>"In my many travels, I have noticed that once one gets north of about
>48 degrees North Latitude, 90% of the world's social problems evaporate."

I think someone has discovered a new way to be elitist! "Well, at least I'm not one of those warm-climate shiftless types."

[mnealtx 0]

Nice change from the usual "You aren't Democrat so you're an idiot" meme...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Michele 1]

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if emergency services waited around until 1000 people froze to death before they took action, their surviving family members might raise a similar sort of ruckus as the one you heard after Katrina.

But that's the point, isn't it? That people waited...and in CO, no-one waited. They just acted.

Maybe it's just me. But a catagory 5 on a scale of 5, regardless of if it's rain or snow, is pretty bad. And yet...well...people did what they had to do to make sure their communities survived and came together to help each other.

And maybe I'm stupid, but I think that's the way it should be. Communities helping others...not waiting for a government to send aid, because that might never get there.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[mnealtx 0]

But, but... that goes ENTIRELY against the "womb birth-to-tomb" Nannystate mantra...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[b1jercat 0]

Looks like another feel good chain letter to me. The only thing missing is the pass this on to 5 people part.

blues

Jerry

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edit...to actually write something...

I think a better way to compare it would be to see how the governments and people of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama would respond to this type of disaster.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[DaVinci 0]

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Comparing a blizzard in Colorado to a storm that destroyed tens of thousands of homes is a bit silly.

While the scope is different, the attitude shown between the two places is also different.

In LA the mayor was an idiot and blamed anyone he could. In CO the mayor did something.

In LA the people ignored warnings. In CO they paid attention.

In LA people expected the Govt to make it all better. In CO PEOPLE helped people.

So I agree the email is pretty stupid you must admit that the PEOPLE of LA didn't do much for themselves, looted, bitched, and waited for someone else to make things better in many cases.

[NCclimber 0]

Bad anology.

The storm that hit Denver (basically) caused everyone a major inconvenience.

Comparing the impact on Denver's citizens to Katrina's impact on NO is like comparing a sprained ankle to a compound fracture.

[DaVinci 0]

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The storm that hit Denver (basically) caused everyone a major inconvenience.

Comparing the impact on Denver's citizens to Katrina's impact on NO is like comparing a sprained ankle to a compound fracture.

I didn't compare the impact, I compared the citizens actions.

Do you not see a difference in how the two populations reacted?

[kallend 2,182]

I guess Nebraska got its request in first. Folks must be slow in CO.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[NCclimber 0]

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The storm that hit Denver (basically) caused everyone a major inconvenience.

Comparing the impact on Denver's citizens to Katrina's impact on NO is like comparing a sprained ankle to a compound fracture.

I didn't compare the impact, I compared the citizens actions.

Do you not see a difference in how the two populations reacted?

Perhaps that had more to do with the impact of the two disasters.

Hunkering down and just waiting it out wasn't really an option in NO.

[Andy9o8 3]

Sorry, but you've fallen for another right wing e-mail hoax.
A variant of it supposedly was "written" by "someone" from North Dakota. Of course, just like all the "welfare queen" anectdotes that get e-mailed around, gullible people are eager to believe it, so they lap it up like good little doggies.

Anyhow, it's debunked on Snopes.com. Here's the link:
http://www.snopes.com/katrina/soapbox/dakota.asp


Since this "item" supposedly originally came out of North Dakota a couple years ago (even though it's conveniently re-cycled this year as a "Colorado" item"), let's look at that "sittin' at home checks" claim, shall we?
In fact, North Dakota would not exist were it not for the federal government. The state receives the highest percentage of federal farm subsidies among them all. Three out of four North Dakota farmers receive this aid. (Talk about welfare queens!!) In an April 4, 2005, Washington Post story (see link below), one farmer, Owen Olson actually said, “If it wasn’t for the federal government here, nobody would be farming.”

(Link to Washington Post story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23705-2005Apr3.html )

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In fact, North Dakota would not exist were it not for the federal government. The state receives the highest percentage of federal farm subsidies among them all. Three out of four North Dakota farmers receive this aid.

There is a difference between a farmer being subsidised and a person receiving welfare.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[GQ_jumper 4]

Apparently everyone missed the part where I said that comparing a blizzard to Katrina wasn't exactly an even trade-off. I didn't fall for some "right-wing email hoax". it was the basic context of the letter I was pointing out, when the blizzards hit CO and a state of emergency was declared by the state government nobody expected anything from the state, everyone got up and did something about it themselves and nobody expected a thing in return.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

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The storm that hit Denver (basically) caused everyone a major inconvenience.

Comparing the impact on Denver's citizens to Katrina's impact on NO is like comparing a sprained ankle to a compound fracture.

I didn't compare the impact, I compared the citizens actions.

Do you not see a difference in how the two populations reacted?

Definitely. I'm just guessing here, but it seems to me that people who actually have
homes to live in and food to eat would have a big head start over those who don't.

Post edited. Please refrain from using racial slurs here.

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"O brave new world that has such people in it".

[Andy9o8 3]

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Apparently everyone missed the part where I said that comparing a blizzard to Katrina wasn't exactly an even trade-off. I didn't fall for some "right-wing email hoax". it was the basic context of the letter I was pointing out, when the blizzards hit CO and a state of emergency was declared by the state government nobody expected anything from the state, everyone got up and did something about it themselves and nobody expected a thing in return.

Incorrect. Both North Dakota (see the Snopes article) and Colorado requested a presidential disaster declaration, with North Dakota's governor specifically noting that this would allow FEMA involvement.

As for Colorado:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5259053,00.html

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Rocky Mountain News

Lawmakers push rancher relief
By M.E. Sprengelmeyer, Rocky Mountain News
January 5, 2007

WASHINGTON — Western lawmakers are pushing to give emergency disaster relief to farmers and ranchers hammered by winter storms.

On the first day of the new congressional session on Thursday, Sen. Wayne Allard, R-Loveland, and Rep. Marilyn Musgrave, R-Fort Morgan, introduced legislation that would give aid to livestock owners who suffered blizzard-related losses in Colorado, Nebraska, Kansas, New Mexico and Oklahoma.

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State officials are awaiting a presidential declaration, which could happen as early as today, to declare a "major disaster" exists, allowing the state, some local governments and some non-profit groups to get matching funds from the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

The Allard-Musgrave legislation, co-sponsored by lawmakers from New Mexico, Nebraska, Oklahoma and Kansas, is meant to bolster that with relief directly to the agriculture industry.
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[rehmwa 2]

Thanks, I was looking for that.

No matter how well the population handles a disaster on their own, the states will ALWAYS request disaster funds as a means of transferring net income through the program into their state from other states (via federal redistribution).

If the CO government didn't apply for the funding, then they'd not be doing their jobs.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Andy9o8 3]

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The storm that hit Denver (basically) caused everyone a major inconvenience.

Comparing the impact on Denver's citizens to Katrina's impact on NO is like comparing a sprained ankle to a compound fracture.

I didn't compare the impact, I compared the citizens actions.

Do you not see a difference in how the two populations reacted?

Definitely. I'm just guessing here, but it seems to me that people who actually have
homes to live in and food to eat would have a big head start over those who don't.

But I don't think that addresses your implicit statement of 'stupid niggers'.

Exactly. All the criticism, both direct and comparative, of New Orleans, and its residents, and its mayor, etc., in the wake of Katrina has definite racist undertones. These e-mails are just one installment in the process. But it's oh-so-taboo to say it aloud now isn't it?

[Andy9o8 3]

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In fact, North Dakota would not exist were it not for the federal government. The state receives the highest percentage of federal farm subsidies among them all. Three out of four North Dakota farmers receive this aid.

There is a difference between a farmer being subsidised and a person receiving welfare.

You don't say. Way to miss the point.

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In fact, North Dakota would not exist were it not for the federal government. The state receives the highest percentage of federal farm subsidies among them all. Three out of four North Dakota farmers receive this aid.

There is a difference between a farmer being subsidised and a person receiving welfare.

You don't say. Way to miss the point.

What point was missed. You were comparing people who recieve welfare and people who are subsidised as if the two were the same thing.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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Exactly. All the criticism, both direct and comparative, of New Orleans, and its residents, and its mayor, etc., in the wake of Katrina has definite racist undertones. These e-mails are just one installment in the process. But it's oh-so-taboo to say it aloud now isn't it?

You are the one making a financial issue into a race issue.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[Amazon 7]

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There is a difference between a farmer being subsidised and a person receiving welfare.

YEs there sure is... Welfare is keeping poor people alive with help for those who in most cases have nothing.. own no property etc... but are too stupid to keep their dicks in their pants so they have flocks of children who can then guarantee them more money from the program.

Farm subsidies are paid to.. USUALLY large landowners who own vast tracts of land... and are paid to plant certain crops or not based on what the Agriculture Department feels will help the economy.

Many times.. those landowners are multimillionaires.. but are VERY well connected politically.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Agriculture/BG1542.cfm

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The storm that hit Denver (basically) caused everyone a major inconvenience.

Comparing the impact on Denver's citizens to Katrina's impact on NO is like comparing a sprained ankle to a compound fracture.

I didn't compare the impact, I compared the citizens actions.

Do you not see a difference in how the two populations reacted?

Definitely. I'm just guessing here, but it seems to me that people who actually have
homes to live in and food to eat would have a big head start over those who don't.

But I don't think that addresses your implicit statement of 'stupid niggers'.

Exactly. All the criticism, both direct and comparative, of New Orleans, and its residents, and its mayor, etc., in the wake of Katrina has definite racist undertones. These e-mails are just one installment in the process. But it's oh-so-taboo to say it aloud now isn't it?

Oh, Fucking PLEASE...

Nagin fucked up and didn't do his job - stating that fact is not racism. Comparing people helping each other out to people waiting on fed.gov to rescue them isn't racism, either.... except to those who subscribe to the 'victim mentality'.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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There is a difference between a farmer being subsidised and a person receiving welfare.

YEs there sure is... Welfare is keeping poor people alive with help for those who in most cases have nothing.. own no property etc... but are too stupid to keep their dicks in their pants so they have flocks of children who can then guarantee them more money from the program.

Farm subsidies are paid to.. USUALLY large landowners who own vast tracts of land... and are paid to plant certain crops or not based on what the Agriculture Department feels will help the economy.

Many times.. those landowners are multimillionaires.. but are VERY well connected politically.

Do you have any statistics to prove that large farming corporations (making millions with government connections) are the ones receiving the majority of subsidizing verse small family farms?

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch