unformed 0 #76 January 12, 2007 Well, having been a vegetarian for a good 23 years of my life, it is of my personal opinions that vegetarianism is for Hindus and women.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #77 January 12, 2007 QuoteHeartless American Fools. All you care about is bombing people and taking Oil that doesn't belong to you. Wrong. I care about my wife, kids, business, clients, livelihood, etc. QuoteWhy can you not see that defenseless animals are being harmed here? I can see that. We all can see that. Some may see nothing wrong with it. Others, such as I, DO see something wrong with it. Rather that jumping to start doing something about it, I look to see whether others have been doing something about it. It so happens that there is a treaty called the International Convention for Whaling that was signed in 1946. There are presently about 70 countries associated with it. You are in England, right? Go to Cambridge, where the ICW is headquartered. Since they are the sole governing body for whaling, do you think a petition means jack shit? Maybe a petition to the ICW would work. I'd suggest that Pedro make plans - the annual ICW conference is meeting in Madeira, Portugal in 2009. A couple of years of activity preparing for that could reap far greater dividends than a rant disquised as a petition. QuoteThe comments in this thread against Dolphins are WRONG. For people who condone this activity, I hope the Iraqi's capture more USA Soldiers and slit THEIR throats. That sounds a lot like "God hates fags, so American military members should be killed." Such a nice and pleasant thought. QuoteKilling Dolphins in the same way is OK though is it??? I don't think so. Others disagree. Let's find out from Norway how they slaughter whales. They are #1 on the whaling list, but are a Western Euaropean country. Hmmm. Why isn't anyone bitching at Norway? They kill a lot of whales, but THEY do it right? QuoteI'm ashamed to be considered an Ally of the Americans. You and I could be good friends. I have never actually made a vote for a president who won the election. You are not England, and I am not America. e pluribus unum QuoteYour British Friend. Don't consider me your American friend. How about just your friend? Your friend. JC My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bazelos 0 #78 January 12, 2007 QuoteExplain to me why it's different? So lets say you have a pet dog, am I allowed to come along and slit its throat and watch it suffocate? Depends, are you going to eat it afterwards?He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #79 January 12, 2007 Here's another online petition, and it has several thousand signatures, which is a heck of a lot more than yours: Stop bullfighting in Portugal "We, the undersigned, consider every sort of bullfight a barbaric and morally unacceptable activity that ought to be immediately banned. We demand the total ban of bullfights in Portugal." Sign Here I am proud to add my name to this petition to stop this bloody and barbaric practice in Portugal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #80 January 12, 2007 Quote I am proud to add my name to this petition to stop this bloody and barbaric practice in Portugal. And you's sure you did not just buy an acre of Portuguese soil with you signature? With BULLs on it? Those nasty Europeans, you'll never know ..... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #81 January 12, 2007 QuoteHeartless American Fools. Here's another online petition, and it has several thousand signatures, which is a heck of a lot more than the one about dolphins: Ban Fox Hunting in England "A ban of fox hunting should be applied immediately. Why you ask? Well because it is cruel. You may say the Foxes are pests but. They are not. Why continue such a vicious and bloody activity when all it brings is suffering? Ban it now and don't let the pain continue anymore." Sign Here. I am proud to add my name to this petition to stop this bloody and barbaric practice in England. Save the cute, fuzzy little foxies! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #82 January 12, 2007 Quote ... I am proud to add my name to this petition to stop this bloody and barbaric practice in England. Save the cute, fuzzy little foxies! Holy Crab, it's a risk to cross the borders of mother country (...and if it's only online....) think twice about it. Trips like that might add some experience, ya know. OTOH, it's so much easier to just shoot some of the little jackals et al, cruising your country - did you ever sign a petition on saving their cute little lives? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #83 January 12, 2007 Fuk the Jap Dolphins and the America haters! I say the world is better off with out both!!! Bulls, Foxes - Jesus people... Both are long traditions in those countries. Treehuggers - La di ta... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #84 January 12, 2007 LOL you signed it too, I thought it was already banned but I guess I'm mistaken, they keep trying. Foxes are unquestionably a pest for many farmers and an absolute scourge for anyone raising wildfowl. Fox hunting (with horses & hounds) is about the most inefficient way imaginable of killing one so let's face it fox hunting is the best thing that has ever happened to foxes. Lamping at night with a trebble 2 sucking them in is definitely the way to go. We should keep fox hunting if only to keep the activists busy with this rather than something important where they could threaten more damage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #85 January 15, 2007 QuoteHeartless American Fools. The comments in this thread against Dolphins are WRONG. For people who condone this activity, I hope the Iraqi's capture more USA Soldiers and slit THEIR throats. yeah, those american soldiers should die for what other americans think of stupid online petitions!!!! did you step on a bug the other day? Well I happen to think killing bugs is WRONG, and so I hope a murderer CASTRATES more UK people to teach them!!!!!!!111 MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bazelos 0 #86 January 15, 2007 Quoteyeah, those american soldiers should die for what other americans think of stupid online petitions!!!! did you step on a bug the other day? Well I happen to think killing bugs is WRONG, and so I hope a murderer CASTRATES more UK people to teach them!!!!!!!111 Hey, now, get yer hand off my ballsHe who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #87 January 15, 2007 The comments in this thread against Dolphins are WRONG. For people who condone this activity, I hope the Iraqi's capture more USA Soldiers and slit THEIR throats. Quote Feel free to voice those sentiments in front of any current, or former US serviceman, wherever you skydive, for the rest of your life. And wait for the cheerful response. Why don't you and Jumprunner start dating? you seem to be a match. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites akarunway 1 #88 January 15, 2007 QuoteQuoteHoly Crab. That much for education in the US .... Don't you have anything like a terrestrial globe or so in your schools? Or do yours end at US boarders? Man. What a shame. We learn a lot f things about Portugal. I know that the country used to be called "Portuguy" but changed its name in 1976 after a military coup caused equal rights for women. I also learned that "Lesbians" were so named because they came from Lesban, the capitol of Portugal, and "Lesbians" are what the women from Lesban are called. Candide (by Voltaire) reflects a great earthquake that happened there, interspersed with tales of syphilis. I also know that Lesban's main airport is called Farto Airport - so named from the smell of the sulphur springs that run by it lending the persistent smell of flatulence in the area. I once did a paper about the origins of the city of Porto - it was so named when the Spanish occupied the area to set up a strategic strongpoint on the coast in about 850 A.D. "Porto" means "to carry." The city was originally called "Porto los Asnos Estupido," which translates into "I Carry the Sorry Asses" after the Leonese found them to be worthless as slaves, though great warriors when given wine, hence the start of the wine industry from up the river from Porto. All of this was stuff I learned in school - there was even an Iberian Studies major at my college, but I was only interested in it because this gal Karine was super hot! edited to add: I almost forgot! The Portuguese Man O' War is one bad ass jellyfish.Oh goddamnit. To freakin funny. LOLI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites akarunway 1 #89 January 15, 2007 QuotePlease review the Forum Rules, specifically: 1) No Personal Attacks QuoteDumb is not the name for you. Maybe arrogant it's better. That's a personal attack. I've banned you from this forum for 14 days.Damn Tom. It was just getting goodI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #90 January 15, 2007 QuoteQuoteDumb is not the name for you. Maybe arrogant it's better. That's a personal attack. I've banned you from this forum for 14 days. I find it curious that someone can be banned for calling another person "dumb", however openly wishing that American soldiers die a gruesome death by having their throats cut, warrants no action in response. It's also curious how someone who cares so deeply about animals, could care so little about the lives of American soldiers. They might disagree with U.S. war policy, buy they shouldn't wish such a horrible fate upon anyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #91 January 15, 2007 Do you feel better, JohnRich, after someone's banned for 2 x 14 days? If this is all you need - man, simple wishes... (Or, did you look for death penalty, f.e.? ) dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #92 January 15, 2007 QuoteDo you feel better, JohnRich, after someone's banned for 2 x 14 days? If this is all you need - man, simple wishes... Crazy (Or, did you look for death penalty, f.e.? 1) No I don't feel better - I was enjoying the debate with him and wish he was still here. 2) He was solely responsible for getting himself banned - I had nothing to do with it. 3) That is not "all I need", so it's not "crazy", and I don't know where you got that idea. 4) The death penalty would be too extreme for a personal insult, in my opinion. 5) Please explain what "f.e." means. 6) If you're going to keep interjecting in this discussion, please try and make some sense. Now, let's see if you want to answer a few questions yourself. You're a vegetarian, yet you enjoy hunting, or in other words, killing animals. So what do you do with the meat from the game you kill, since you apparently don't eat it yourself? And if you're so concerned about the welfare of animals, then why do you hunt and kill them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,118 #93 January 16, 2007 >I find it curious that someone can be banned for calling another > person "dumb", however openly wishing that American soldiers die a > gruesome death by having their throats cut, warrants no action in > response. -------------------- Personal attacks and hate posts will not be tolerated in any forum. Personal attacks on another user are a great way to earn some time off. --------------------- Note that while we will not tolerate hate posts, there is no rule prohibiting attacks against groups or non-DZ.commers. (See here for details on what constitutes a hate post.) Organized religions, political parties, celebrities, presidents, and countries are all fair game. If such posts will upset you, do not read or post to this forum. Posting here means you accept these rules. If you do not follow them, you may get a warning, be banned from the forum for some period of time, be banned permanently from the forum, or be banned permanently from DZ.com. There is no guarantee of a 'second chance' or of a certain type of banning. ------------------------ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #94 January 16, 2007 Why shouldn't I answer (provided, I like )? Especially, when these questions sound so... so simple, I'm surprised, JR. .. .. .. .. 5: f.e. means for example, as per your mother tongue. 6. Sense? Seriously, serious sense on SC? For the rest: Yes, I am hunting (hell, others would say: She loves to kill..) Yes, I love the complete scenario around it which is so different to hunting procedure in f. e. your place. I cannot just throw some bullets into my backpack, take my rifle or shotgun and decide: Well, today it's a fine day for killing some BBJ, coyotes, rattle snakes or whatever the average Sunday hunter will need to kill to feed his family. We, the average Germans, just cannot go into the fields and kill f.e. hare or a deer to bring it back to mom for a fine Sunday lunch. If my memory serves me right, I already explained our harsh, rough and costy way to become a licensed hunter here in Germany. Based on that, we do not have to rely on shooting our food by ourselves - even me, a vegetarian, does not need to kill fruits and vegetables by myself - I buy killed ones in the supermercado If I understood you right, you American hunters only hunt for food. Poor maintenance in USA, me thinks Well, before I forget about your last question: The animals I kill will always be handed over to the local farmer/butcher who, of course, pays for it and sells it at a much higher price. That money I earned by killing bambi will not end in my private wallet, it's forwarded straight into our "hunting cash" (for maintenance of fences, hides (raised hides) and such.... That much for example to show a bit about German rules/rituals in Germany, where even vegetarians are allowed to kill animals (license provided!) Last thing: Did you bother to watch OP's video? Rest assured, I do NOT cut my kills with swords into pcs, while they are still alive, let blood run out of slit throats or f.e. strike dead little baby seals, no no .... my aim is to kill with a fine and proper shoot at first strike - and if this is not managable, I'll just keep my finger straight. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #95 January 16, 2007 So you're a vegetarian for "dietary reasons", I think that cool and when done right it is healthy. Not so much for "sympathetic reasons" or you'd not hunt at all. I understand the choice for diet, but don't understand the sympathetic ones. As for dolphins, WHO AM I to judge with another culture chooses to eat or not? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #96 January 16, 2007 No rehma, I am not. As per my mom, in the "age" of 9 I decided to stop eating meat - and that's the case still today (perhaps by watching chicks beeing killed, fish beeing killed by my dad and granddad ?) Don't know, I'm really not interested in the reason, it's just like that. As for killing dolphins or baby seals in that well known horrible way, I'm sure we have to do something about it. It's inacceptable but, surely will go on for centuries b4 we understand to respect them creatures in a way they deserve it. If dolphins are killed for food and baby seals for fur, that might be OK (who I am to judge that). But not the torture we're doing to them. I'm not on that "protect all animals agains human beeings" trip. If done in a proper way (f.e.) by a quick, proper shoot w/o torturing animals, I do agree. And that has nothing at all! to do with beeing a vegetarian or catholic, or re-born, or a Samurai, or a Belgian landlord, or b/c I'm not blonde.... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #97 January 16, 2007 QuoteAs for killing dolphins or baby seals in that well known horrible way, I'm sure we have to do something about it. It's inacceptable but, surely will go on for centuries b4 we understand to respect them creatures in a way they deserve it. If dolphins are killed for food and baby seals for fur, that might be OK (who I am to judge that). But not the torture we're doing to them. I'm not on that "protect all animals agains human beeings" trip. If done in a proper way (f.e.) by a quick, proper shoot w/o torturing animals, I do agree. I agree with all of that (except the "we" in "the torture we're doing to them". I haven't tortured a dolphin in my life and don't want all of humanity lumped in with a few weirdos. I've teased dolphins for talking funny, sometimes select them last for soccor and dodgeball, and one of them I used to mock for playing clarinet, but never tortured. As far as you know.) ... 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akarunway 1 #88 January 15, 2007 QuoteQuoteHoly Crab. That much for education in the US .... Don't you have anything like a terrestrial globe or so in your schools? Or do yours end at US boarders? Man. What a shame. We learn a lot f things about Portugal. I know that the country used to be called "Portuguy" but changed its name in 1976 after a military coup caused equal rights for women. I also learned that "Lesbians" were so named because they came from Lesban, the capitol of Portugal, and "Lesbians" are what the women from Lesban are called. Candide (by Voltaire) reflects a great earthquake that happened there, interspersed with tales of syphilis. I also know that Lesban's main airport is called Farto Airport - so named from the smell of the sulphur springs that run by it lending the persistent smell of flatulence in the area. I once did a paper about the origins of the city of Porto - it was so named when the Spanish occupied the area to set up a strategic strongpoint on the coast in about 850 A.D. "Porto" means "to carry." The city was originally called "Porto los Asnos Estupido," which translates into "I Carry the Sorry Asses" after the Leonese found them to be worthless as slaves, though great warriors when given wine, hence the start of the wine industry from up the river from Porto. All of this was stuff I learned in school - there was even an Iberian Studies major at my college, but I was only interested in it because this gal Karine was super hot! edited to add: I almost forgot! The Portuguese Man O' War is one bad ass jellyfish.Oh goddamnit. To freakin funny. LOLI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #89 January 15, 2007 QuotePlease review the Forum Rules, specifically: 1) No Personal Attacks QuoteDumb is not the name for you. Maybe arrogant it's better. That's a personal attack. I've banned you from this forum for 14 days.Damn Tom. It was just getting goodI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #90 January 15, 2007 QuoteQuoteDumb is not the name for you. Maybe arrogant it's better. That's a personal attack. I've banned you from this forum for 14 days. I find it curious that someone can be banned for calling another person "dumb", however openly wishing that American soldiers die a gruesome death by having their throats cut, warrants no action in response. It's also curious how someone who cares so deeply about animals, could care so little about the lives of American soldiers. They might disagree with U.S. war policy, buy they shouldn't wish such a horrible fate upon anyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #91 January 15, 2007 Do you feel better, JohnRich, after someone's banned for 2 x 14 days? If this is all you need - man, simple wishes... (Or, did you look for death penalty, f.e.? ) dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #92 January 15, 2007 QuoteDo you feel better, JohnRich, after someone's banned for 2 x 14 days? If this is all you need - man, simple wishes... Crazy (Or, did you look for death penalty, f.e.? 1) No I don't feel better - I was enjoying the debate with him and wish he was still here. 2) He was solely responsible for getting himself banned - I had nothing to do with it. 3) That is not "all I need", so it's not "crazy", and I don't know where you got that idea. 4) The death penalty would be too extreme for a personal insult, in my opinion. 5) Please explain what "f.e." means. 6) If you're going to keep interjecting in this discussion, please try and make some sense. Now, let's see if you want to answer a few questions yourself. You're a vegetarian, yet you enjoy hunting, or in other words, killing animals. So what do you do with the meat from the game you kill, since you apparently don't eat it yourself? And if you're so concerned about the welfare of animals, then why do you hunt and kill them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #93 January 16, 2007 >I find it curious that someone can be banned for calling another > person "dumb", however openly wishing that American soldiers die a > gruesome death by having their throats cut, warrants no action in > response. -------------------- Personal attacks and hate posts will not be tolerated in any forum. Personal attacks on another user are a great way to earn some time off. --------------------- Note that while we will not tolerate hate posts, there is no rule prohibiting attacks against groups or non-DZ.commers. (See here for details on what constitutes a hate post.) Organized religions, political parties, celebrities, presidents, and countries are all fair game. If such posts will upset you, do not read or post to this forum. Posting here means you accept these rules. If you do not follow them, you may get a warning, be banned from the forum for some period of time, be banned permanently from the forum, or be banned permanently from DZ.com. There is no guarantee of a 'second chance' or of a certain type of banning. ------------------------ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #94 January 16, 2007 Why shouldn't I answer (provided, I like )? Especially, when these questions sound so... so simple, I'm surprised, JR. .. .. .. .. 5: f.e. means for example, as per your mother tongue. 6. Sense? Seriously, serious sense on SC? For the rest: Yes, I am hunting (hell, others would say: She loves to kill..) Yes, I love the complete scenario around it which is so different to hunting procedure in f. e. your place. I cannot just throw some bullets into my backpack, take my rifle or shotgun and decide: Well, today it's a fine day for killing some BBJ, coyotes, rattle snakes or whatever the average Sunday hunter will need to kill to feed his family. We, the average Germans, just cannot go into the fields and kill f.e. hare or a deer to bring it back to mom for a fine Sunday lunch. If my memory serves me right, I already explained our harsh, rough and costy way to become a licensed hunter here in Germany. Based on that, we do not have to rely on shooting our food by ourselves - even me, a vegetarian, does not need to kill fruits and vegetables by myself - I buy killed ones in the supermercado If I understood you right, you American hunters only hunt for food. Poor maintenance in USA, me thinks Well, before I forget about your last question: The animals I kill will always be handed over to the local farmer/butcher who, of course, pays for it and sells it at a much higher price. That money I earned by killing bambi will not end in my private wallet, it's forwarded straight into our "hunting cash" (for maintenance of fences, hides (raised hides) and such.... That much for example to show a bit about German rules/rituals in Germany, where even vegetarians are allowed to kill animals (license provided!) Last thing: Did you bother to watch OP's video? Rest assured, I do NOT cut my kills with swords into pcs, while they are still alive, let blood run out of slit throats or f.e. strike dead little baby seals, no no .... my aim is to kill with a fine and proper shoot at first strike - and if this is not managable, I'll just keep my finger straight. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #95 January 16, 2007 So you're a vegetarian for "dietary reasons", I think that cool and when done right it is healthy. Not so much for "sympathetic reasons" or you'd not hunt at all. I understand the choice for diet, but don't understand the sympathetic ones. As for dolphins, WHO AM I to judge with another culture chooses to eat or not? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #96 January 16, 2007 No rehma, I am not. As per my mom, in the "age" of 9 I decided to stop eating meat - and that's the case still today (perhaps by watching chicks beeing killed, fish beeing killed by my dad and granddad ?) Don't know, I'm really not interested in the reason, it's just like that. As for killing dolphins or baby seals in that well known horrible way, I'm sure we have to do something about it. It's inacceptable but, surely will go on for centuries b4 we understand to respect them creatures in a way they deserve it. If dolphins are killed for food and baby seals for fur, that might be OK (who I am to judge that). But not the torture we're doing to them. I'm not on that "protect all animals agains human beeings" trip. If done in a proper way (f.e.) by a quick, proper shoot w/o torturing animals, I do agree. And that has nothing at all! to do with beeing a vegetarian or catholic, or re-born, or a Samurai, or a Belgian landlord, or b/c I'm not blonde.... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #97 January 16, 2007 QuoteAs for killing dolphins or baby seals in that well known horrible way, I'm sure we have to do something about it. It's inacceptable but, surely will go on for centuries b4 we understand to respect them creatures in a way they deserve it. If dolphins are killed for food and baby seals for fur, that might be OK (who I am to judge that). But not the torture we're doing to them. I'm not on that "protect all animals agains human beeings" trip. If done in a proper way (f.e.) by a quick, proper shoot w/o torturing animals, I do agree. I agree with all of that (except the "we" in "the torture we're doing to them". I haven't tortured a dolphin in my life and don't want all of humanity lumped in with a few weirdos. I've teased dolphins for talking funny, sometimes select them last for soccor and dodgeball, and one of them I used to mock for playing clarinet, but never tortured. As far as you know.) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #98 January 16, 2007 My apologies John - that was not meant to be a personal attack to you or anyone - edited: Bill or John ... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
