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QuoteIf a democrat and a republican came up to you and told you "we want to increase your taxes to help you out, give you free stuff and SAVE YOU MONEY" - would you believe them or not? If someone else heard that and believed them - would that indicate they are wise, or gullible?
People believe that crap all the time. Like all those that want the US to be socialist.
But if a Democrat and a Repub came up to me and told me that they had intel that a country had "X". And they had plenty of support then I could believe what they were saying. Saddam did have WMD's evidenced by the fact he used them, hell the US sold them to him. He kicked the inspectors out more than once....yada, yada.
So it sure looked to most he had them. Congress thought so and they have more intel access than you or I and they passed it.Res. 114, passed the House on October 10, 2002 by a vote of 296-133, and by the Senate on October 11 by a vote of 77-23.
Sandy Berger former NSA from Clinton thought there were WMD's.
Gore and Kerry leading democratic canidates thought he had them. Why would they back Bush's 'evil' plan?
So when those kinds of people tell me something I tend to think they know more than me since they have access to things I don't.
As I had said all along if you can prove it was a lie please provide it and I will join you asking for punishment. But you have never provided proof that would stand up in a court.
kallend 2,182
QuoteQuoteYes.
So when people who have more information than you from both sides of the political spectrum tell you something, and you believe them you are an moron?
Got it.
Information? I think you mean misinformation. The word "gullible" comes to mind, too.
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DaVinci 0
QuoteInformation? I think you mean misinformation. The word "gullible" comes to mind, too.
Res. 114, passed the House on October 10, 2002 by a vote of 296-133, and by the Senate on October 11 by a vote of 77-23.
Sandy Berger former NSA from Clinton thought there were WMD's.
Gore and Kerry leading democratic canidates thought he had them. Why would they back Bush's 'evil' plan?
rehmwa 2
Quote>If a democrat and a republican came up to you and told you "we want to increase your taxes to help you out, give you free stuff and SAVE YOU MONEY" - would you believe them or not? If someone else heard that and believed them - would that indicate they are wise, or gullible?
Seems the majority on this thread would say -
Don't believe the Republican, and kick him in the balls
Believe the Dem, he's all goodness and light
even when they say the exact same thing.
Me? I wouldn't trust either of them without a lot more info about both of them than just whether they have an R or a D next to their name. But I guess that makes it a lot easier.
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Lucky... 0
QuoteQuote>We're a representative republic under democratic principle, not a democracy.
And who votes for those representatives - congress or the people?
What determines who is elected to congress - what congress knows, or what the people know?
If voters are misled, the US is misled. An argument to keep the people in the dark is an argument that democracy (or a representative government) cannot work, because people cannot be trusted with the facts.
On the plus side, I am glad you have abandoned the "no one was misled!" line. That's progress.
The voters are not directly controlling the vote of their various congresscritters. There's no connection between the two, other than the fact that a congresscritter that DOESN'T listen to what their constituency wants and votes accordingly may not be a congresscritter for very long...
- The voters are not directly controlling the vote of their various congresscritters
- True, which is why we have a representative form of government
- There's no connection between the two,
- Wrong, Gore and / or Kerry would not have gone to war over false WMD's or probably at all. Albeit indirect, not all that much indirect.
- other than the fact that a congresscritter that DOESN'T listen to what their constituency wants and votes accordingly may not be a congresscritter for very long...
- The proposition of a Congressperson's longevity and their decisions doesn;t matter to me, it MAY have an impact on their longevity, but I don;t focus on it when I vote. If you voted for Bush either or both times, you ave voted for what he has done.
Lucky... 0
QuoteThe use of patriotism to foster political support is sheer genius! it has worked on numerous occaisions very effectively throughout history.
Hitler used it very well.
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QuoteQuoteWhat we need are scholars NOT politicians
I disagree - what we NEED is strong term limits to remove the 'politics as a career'. That along with removing the Congressional retirement package and other perks would go a LONG way toward reforming things.
Look what Bush fucked up in 1 term:
- Overtime law
- Iraq War
- Stem cell cessation
- Debt; from at least a horizontal to a massive increase, largest ever
- This list is off the top of my head, but term limits mean zero when you can fuck the country in 1 term. What we need is for voters to drop this, 'Dems are a bunch of pussy-faggots' mentality. A Dem was president for every war in the 20th century up to the 1991 Gulf War, so the Dems can war too. Compassion for the poor isn't a weakness but a strength. Deciding to preserve the ecology is also a strength.
Simply being stupid and proud of it, as our pres is, isn't a prima facie ticket to toughness, but simply stupid. John Wayne is dead, his mentality best left for nastaligic movies, so to run a country like that is surely a ticket to demise.
Point is, the voters of the members who are so adamantly for this war are the problem, even moreso than the idiots like Bush and company themselves.
mnealtx 0
Quote- The voters are not directly controlling the vote of their various congresscritters
- True, which is why we have a representative form of government
Gold star for you!
Quote- There's no connection between the two,
- Wrong, Gore and / or Kerry would not have gone to war over false WMD's or probably at all. Albeit indirect, not all that much indirect.
False assertion - the topic being discussed was "if the people are misled, then the congress is misled" (in a nutshell) - not so, and no connection between the two. Congress is privy to information that the general public is not.
Quote- other than the fact that a congresscritter that DOESN'T listen to what their constituency wants and votes accordingly may not be a congresscritter for very long...
- The proposition of a Congressperson's longevity and their decisions doesn;t matter to me, it MAY have an impact on their longevity, but I don;t focus on it when I vote. If you voted for Bush either or both times, you ave voted for what he has done.
By that logic, if you voted for Clinton, you supported giving missile data to the Chinese - again, a false assertion.
Mike
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QuoteQuoteThe use of patriotism to foster political support is sheer genius! it has worked on numerous occaisions very effectively throughout history.
Hitler used it very well.
As did FDR, JFK, Patrick Henry, Churchill.......
mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteThe use of patriotism to foster political support is sheer genius! it has worked on numerous occaisions very effectively throughout history.
Hitler used it very well.
And other politicos do the same by playing to emotion and fears...
"It's for the CHILLLLLLLDRENNNNNNNNNN"
"Florida - the Gunshine State"
"Old people dying in the streets without this tadx to support them"
etc, etc...
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
Got proof or just accusations?
Anything that would stand up in court, or just ranting?
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