THE AWOL PROJECT

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Many of the Right Wingers here love to tout our Imperious Leaders record of service to America. I remember quite well what it was like being active duty during the 1970's and MOST if not all of the people I knew would have been courts-martialed and jailed for such stellar service to our country in time of war.

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Tampering, Forgery, And Purging Of Bush Military Record
Part I: Evidence Of Document Tampering There is no question that some of Bush’s military records have been tampered with. This piece explores the evidence, and suggests why the tampering may have occurred.
Part II: Evidence Of Forgery In The Bush Files Bush’s “signature” changed dramatically from the time he was getting great reviews as a Guardsman, to the time he stopped showing up. It appears, in fact, that some documents, especially those concerning Bush’s “resignation” from the Texas Air National Guard, contain forged signatures---including a copy of the same document with two completely different signatures. The evidence strongly suggests that Bush’s “resignation” was far from voluntary….

Part III Evidence of Purging of Bush’s Military Records (Not yet available). The first four years of Bush’s service are comprehensively documented. The documentation for the remainder is not. Documents that should be in the records aren’t there. There is an explanation, i.e. documents related to disciplinary actions are destroyed once someone is discharged from the Air National Guard and Air Reserve Forces….

There are four “primary” pieces of considerable length, examining various aspects of Bush’s military career. They are:



Fraud—The Secrets of Bush’s Payroll Records Revealed (May 1, 1972 to September 30, 1973). Bush’s payroll records contain a wealth of information that the mainstream media ignored, including the data originally entered into the payroll system that shows not only the days and times that Bush was credited with training, but what kind of training was being credited, and when the data was processed. The information in Bush’s payroll records tells us that Bush requested and received pay and point credit for which he was ineligible under Air Force policy. But statements made by people who were responsible for Bush’s training suggest that Bush received credit for training that was never performed.



The Transfer Scam (May 1, 1972 to August 1, 1973) The documents related to Bush’s attempted transfer to the “9921st Air Reserve Squadron” make it clear that Bush’s spokesmen have been lying about Bush not knowing that he was ineligible to join the 9921st. In fact, they show that his request was an attempt by Bush to fraudulently escape his obligations as a member of the United States Armed Forces.



Discharge, or Desertion? (July 1, 1973 to October 1, 1973) The documents related to Bush’s discharge from the Texas Air National Guard show that Bush intended to desert the Armed Forces with almost a year of his statutory six year participation requirement unfulfilled.



Deserter: Bush After TXANG (September 15, 1973 to November 21, 1974) When Bush was discharged out of the Texas Air National Guard, he was transferred to the authority of the Air Force Reserves. The documents appear to show that even before Bush was discharged from the Texas Air National Guard, the Air Force had disciplined him for his dereliction of duty. What actually happened, however, is that based on its examination of Bush’s records, the Air Force concluded that Bush was a “deserter”, and retroactively taken the steps necessary to deal with someone in Bush’s position who had abandoned their commitment to the US Government.

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[matthewcline 0]

I don't care either way, but since it was the 70's and this argument started in the first campaign 30~ years apart, isn't it possible some of the "missing" documents could be missing from the transfer from Paper, to Micro, to Digital media? from one HQ storage facility to another several times?

In the 20+ years I have been in the Army we have changed records keeping standards at least 5 times, and moved the storage facility and its HQ at least 3 times. Maybe the AF has had similar things go on and that explains some of the missing or out of place documents?

Just speculaten'

Matt

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So, start being safe, first!!!

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I needed to get a copy of my DD-214 for my CCP. I got it and wow.. it was just as pristine as the one I got in 1979.

[Gene03 0]

None dare call it treason.

“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)

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From dictionary.com

treason
–noun 1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.

[willard 0]

And your point is?

All this has been hashed out over the last 6+ years. Same story, different angle.

Why is it that the same people who said it was of no consequence that Clinton lied to avoid the draft and led protests against our government in a foreign country are the same people who bash Bush for his military records being incomplete? Hell, my brother-in-law fought in Viet Nam, did two tours with the Marines. He has pics, letters from home, etc. that he saved yet the governments records of his service are so incomplete and scattered it makes Bush's look pristine.

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The DD 214 yes, but all the other little sheets of paper that made the original they have (to give you copies from)?

The possibility is there. Just like the possibility that Kerry did/didn't throw his "medals" (that he put himself in for or didn't) over the wall at the White House.

Just like it is possible that senior Pres. Bush thought his crew was out of the bomber when he bailed.

It is just possible.

Matt

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So, start being safe, first!!!

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I don't think touting Bush's war record is that common. Left-wingers are the ones who keep bringing it up.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

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And your point is?

All this has been hashed out over the last 6+ years. Same story, different angle.

Why is it that the same people who said it was of no consequence that Clinton lied to avoid the draft and led protests against our government in a foreign country are the same people who bash Bush for his military records being incomplete? Hell, my brother-in-law fought in Viet Nam, did two tours with the Marines. He has pics, letters from home, etc. that he saved yet the governments records of his service are so incomplete and scattered it makes Bush's look pristine.

Shit, I've only been in the Army shy of three years, and already my ERB is incomplete, there's a whole medical packet that's missing (the one they built while I was being MEDEVACed from Iraq to the US) and I couldn't tell you if I've been charged for leave I've taken.

Look, Bush's political adversaries are sooooooo intent on trying to screw him on this, they faked...faked documents to try and corroborate the idea. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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I saw a report on TV the other day about how many vets wounded in Iraq are having there checks held back because the government screwed up the books. They were paying combat pay after the soldiers returned. They never told the soldiers whose funds were direct deposited about this. The military wouldn't resume payments until the overpay had been returned. Why not just deduct it????? Stupid situation.

I don't know if the idiot in the White House went AWOL. I don't really care. At least he did something. Jet fighters back then were plenty dangerous just to fly around for training. Clinton sent a letter stating that to serve in Viet Nam would "destroy his political viability". If he didn't want to go, he should have just said he didn't believe the war was just. Hell, even I respect that in a person if it is what they truly believe. But to avoid the draft because of "political viability"? That's bs.

Back to the subject at hand. AWOL? Maybe. Maybe not. One thing that is for sure is that the militaries records are so FUBAR that they cannot be relied upon to make that determination.

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Shit, I've only been in the Army shy of three years, and already my ERB is incomplete, there's a whole medical packet that's missing (the one they built while I was being MEDEVACed from Iraq to the US) and I couldn't tell you if I've been charged for leave I've taken.

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According to my ERB I'm some babies daddy!!! no BS!! It says I have a dependant, I'm wondering how long it's going to be before they start deducting part of my paycheck to pay for my invisible kid

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

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[DaVinci 0]

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Shit, I've only been in the Army shy of three years, and already my ERB is incomplete, there's a whole medical packet that's missing (the one they built while I was being MEDEVACed from Iraq to the US) and I couldn't tell you if I've been charged for leave I've taken.

Quit trying to make sense. 30 years of trying to keep track of some obscure documents should not be that hard right?

I mean you could just fake some if you needed them right?

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I mean you could just fake some if you needed them right?

Or get some of your fellow travellers to lose them so the facts are not so embarrassing?


What would have happened to you if you had not shown up for your flight physical??? Or did not take your piss test???

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Or get some of your fellow travellers to lose them so the facts are not so embarrassing?

The thing is we have proof people forged things to make him look bad, no one has proof he did anything to lose his records. Having been in the military you know that they lose records all the time. My shot records were lost so much that every 6 mths I become a human pin cushion.

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What would have happened to you if you had not shown up for your flight physical??? Or did not take your piss test???

At that time in the ANG? Maybe nothing. Stories of the ANG and people doing all kinds of crazy things are normal. I have a buddy who was a flight surgeon in the ANG and tells me all kinds of crazy stories. Stories like him flying aircraft he was not qualified to fly to maintain his flight status.

Simple fact is this "AWOL" bit is old news and has been played out. It has been used as an attack against him for 30 years and the only time the attackers have had any real "evidence" it was proven to be forged.