kallend 2,182 #1 January 9, 2007 Questions for the hunters out there: Is tungsten shot readily available at gun shops, or it it something that needs to be specially ordered? Is the alloy shot denser than the polymer bonded powder shot?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #2 January 9, 2007 I have seen Tungsten this year as I was picking up some standard lead shells. I would guess it is not hard to find but I know that does not help you. I shot around 30 game birds this year, but as I have never hunted Waterfowl, I can't be of any further help to you. Sorry. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #3 January 9, 2007 QuoteIs tungsten shot readily available at gun shops, or it it something that needs to be specially ordered? Call a gun shop and ask. QuoteIs the alloy shot denser than the polymer bonded powder shot? Google: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5088415.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #4 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteIs tungsten shot readily available at gun shops, or it it something that needs to be specially ordered? Call a gun shop and ask. QuoteIs the alloy shot denser than the polymer bonded powder shot? Google: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5088415.html Thanks for the link. I called in at the local gun shop and they'd never even heard of it! I'll try in Indiana next.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #5 January 9, 2007 Do you need me to pick some up for you? I could pick some up tommorow I think. You are not going to be able to purchase any in IL without a FOID card or out of state DL. I don't think there is any problem with you possesing it though. I would have to check on that though. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #6 January 9, 2007 According to the Jan.07 American Rifleman, pg.57, the iron-tungsten-nickel alloys, the tungsten-bronze alloys, and the tungsten-iron-copper-nickel alloys all have a density of 12 gr./cc. The tungsten-matrix (95.9% tungsten,4.1%polymer) is 10.4gr./cc. In my area all the above are readily available during waterfowl season. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #7 January 10, 2007 QuoteAccording to the Jan.07 American Rifleman, pg.57, the iron-tungsten-nickel alloys, the tungsten-bronze alloys, and the tungsten-iron-copper-nickel alloys all have a density of 12 gr./cc. The tungsten-matrix (95.9% tungsten,4.1%polymer) is 10.4gr./cc. In my area all the above are readily available during waterfowl season. Thanks. I guess I want the alloy, then.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #8 January 10, 2007 QuoteDo you need me to pick some up for you? I could pick some up tommorow I think. You are not going to be able to purchase any in IL without a FOID card or out of state DL. I don't think there is any problem with you possesing it though. I would have to check on that though. Where do you live (besides "Chicagoland")? I'm close to the IN stateline so unless thay have silly restrictions too, I can hop over there.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #9 January 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteAccording to the Jan.07 American Rifleman, pg.57, the iron-tungsten-nickel alloys, the tungsten-bronze alloys, and the tungsten-iron-copper-nickel alloys all have a density of 12 gr./cc. The tungsten-matrix (95.9% tungsten,4.1%polymer) is 10.4gr./cc. In my area all the above are readily available during waterfowl season. Thanks. I guess I want the alloy, then. You're welcome. BTW, creationists share 96% of their genes with chimpanzees because chimpanzees share 96% of their bananas with creationists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zee 0 #10 January 10, 2007 Give these guys a call: http://www.rbcd.net/ Don't know if they make Tungsten shot but the do make some pretty gnarly AP, hunting, and personal defense rounds. Action©Sports Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #11 January 10, 2007 Midway USA has it. http:/midwayusa.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #12 January 10, 2007 Going hunting Prof?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #13 January 10, 2007 QuoteMidway USA has it. http:/midwayusa.com Thanks, R. Costs a lot more than lead!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #14 January 10, 2007 QuoteWhere do you live (besides "Chicagoland")? I'm close to the IN stateline so unless thay have silly restrictions too, I can hop over there. You should have no problem in IN. I live far on the opposite side from you, but I am in MI now. I travel though all the time. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #15 January 10, 2007 Quote QuoteWhere do you live (besides "Chicagoland")? I'm close to the IN stateline so unless thay have silly restrictions too, I can hop over there. You should have no problem in IN. I am live far on the opposite side from you but am in MI right now staying across the road from Cabelas tonight. I travel though all the time. No problem in IN. Thanks everyone.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #16 January 11, 2007 QuoteQuestions for the hunters out there: Is tungsten shot readily available at gun shops, or it it something that needs to be specially ordered? Is the alloy shot denser than the polymer bonded powder shot? .................................... Kallend, Does this mean you are contemplating a shooting sport? I never thought I'd see the day! If so, I hope you enjoy yourself. I have to warn you though...just like skydiving, guns and hunting can become addictive. I don't know a lot about the new types of shot. In the old days we always shot ducks with lead. That's a thing of the past now. Steel shot is usually mandated for water foul, but ballistically it doesn't shoot as well. That's why othe metals are being experimented with. You probably know more on this subject than I do. Rifles have always been my passion, not shotguns....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #17 January 11, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuestions for the hunters out there: Is tungsten shot readily available at gun shops, or it it something that needs to be specially ordered? Is the alloy shot denser than the polymer bonded powder shot? .................................... Kallend, Does this mean you are contemplating a shooting sport? I never thought I'd see the day! If so, I hope you enjoy yourself. I have to warn you though...just like skydiving, guns and hunting can become addictive. I don't know a lot about the new types of shot. In the old days we always shot ducks with lead. That's a thing of the past now. Steel shot is usually mandated for water foul, but ballistically it doesn't shoot as well. That's why othe metals are being experimented with. You probably know more on this subject than I do. Rifles have always been my passion, not shotguns....Steve1 I could tell you, but then....... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #18 January 11, 2007 I'm sure it's out there but have never personally seen it in a civilian round, the only round I have ever seen it in was anti-tank rounds. I guess a few people on here have found it based on their posts, so can we find out what it's for?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #19 January 11, 2007 QuoteI guess a few people on here have found it based on their posts, so can we find out what it's for? It is used for waterfowl hunting. You can not use lead because of fear of it contaminating the water. Steel shot is not nearly as dense as lead. Tungsten is closer to the density of lead but still non-toxic. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #20 January 11, 2007 QuoteQuoteI guess a few people on here have found it based on their posts, so can we find out what it's for? It is used for waterfowl hunting. You can not use lead because of fear of it contaminating the water. Steel shot is not nearly as dense as lead. Tungsten is closer to the density of lead but still non-toxic. I've seen nickel coated lead too - is that legal for waterfowl? Problem with tungsten is (a) very expensive, and (b) very hard on the barrel.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #21 January 11, 2007 There are a few other products out now Heavishot Bismuth and a few others as well...look at that midway site again and you will see some alternatives. I saw some copper plated stuff a while back I forget what the core is made of. There are some specialized polymer coated shot out there. It all gets kinda pricey. I can't get loaded ammo more a rifle I have for less than 25 bucks for a box of 20, I will learn to reload but even brass is scarce. I hope Wolf gets in production with that 20 million rounds they are promising. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #22 January 11, 2007 The tungsten alloys actually are denser then lead shot, app 12gr/cc vs 9.5 gr/cc. This translates to greater retained energy downrange, but at a very much higher cost. Taken in context with all the other costs associatted with hunting waterfowl, the price of the ammunition is minimal but still not negligable. All these different shot types are still a lot cheaper than some rifle cartridges. A box of 25 cartridges for my .416 Rigby costs $125. I've never fired a factory round through it, only handloads. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #23 January 12, 2007 Quote I saw some copper plated stuff a while back I forget what the core is made of. ......................................................... I use copper plated lead shot for turkeys and coyotes. I believe the purpose of this is to keep the shot from deforming during firing, and it results in a tighter more uniform pattern....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steve1 5 #24 January 12, 2007 Quote All these different shot types are still a lot cheaper than some rifle cartridges. A box of 25 cartridges for my .416 Rigby costs $125. I've never fired a factory round through it, only handloads. ............................................ My God! What's the world coming to? I remember when you could buy a brand new high powered rifle for that kind of money. I've read a lot of good things about the 416 Rigby. I had no idea that factory ammo could cost that much. Reloading would probably save a ton of money. I imagine the cost of brass is still high though....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #25 January 12, 2007 Seems nothing is cheap anymore, they are going to use price as a matter of gun control, just watch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
steve1 5 #24 January 12, 2007 Quote All these different shot types are still a lot cheaper than some rifle cartridges. A box of 25 cartridges for my .416 Rigby costs $125. I've never fired a factory round through it, only handloads. ............................................ My God! What's the world coming to? I remember when you could buy a brand new high powered rifle for that kind of money. I've read a lot of good things about the 416 Rigby. I had no idea that factory ammo could cost that much. Reloading would probably save a ton of money. I imagine the cost of brass is still high though....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #25 January 12, 2007 Seems nothing is cheap anymore, they are going to use price as a matter of gun control, just watch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
