Why don't they mind their own business?

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Are you talking about anything on par with "28 percent having 1,000 or more sex partners"?

By the way, that's a total crock of shit. So are the rest of your so-called statistics. I Googled that so-called statistic, as well as some others you quote, and they all come from Christian Coalition, or the Family Research Council (an anti-gay organization), or similar rabidly anti-homosexual sites. Didn't it occur to you that we'd get around to checking it out for ourselves?

I guess you missed where I said:

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Here are some claims I found on the net. Legitimate numbers or made up tripe? You decide.

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If you have anything "from the last decade and a half" that you deem relevant, please post it up

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Perhaps you could produce some "current" studies that support your take.

BTW I got those figures from http://holybulliesandheadlessmonsters.blogspot.com/
I'm pretty sure the guy is PRO-gay rights.

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Nice backpedaling. Whatever.

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No backpedaling. I put qualifiers on those studies from the get go. Sorry you missed them.

I notice you've been calling people out for using logical fallacies, in other threads.

Can you tell me which fallacies are being used below?

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By the way, that's a total crock of shit. So are the rest of your so-called statistics. I Googled that so-called statistic, as well as some others you quote, and they all come from Christian Coalition, or the Family Research Council (an anti-gay organization), or similar rabidly anti-homosexual sites. Didn't it occur to you that we'd get around to checking it out for ourselves?

Nice job of attacking the messenger, while doing nothing to refute the message.

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>Are you talking about anything on par with "28 percent having 1,000
>or more sex partners"?

Reminds me of those "scientific studies" showing american indians were naturally shiftless, or that blacks were less advanced than whites. Hey, did you hear that jews kidnap little boys, drain their blood and use them to make matzohs? Fake stories like these can be a potent tool to promulgate fear of a race/religion/sexual orientation.

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I put qualifiers on those studies from the get go.

You're the one who was using these numbers to debate. Cant have it both ways bud...

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>Are you talking about anything on par with "28 percent having 1,000
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Reminds me of those "scientific studies" showing american indians were naturally shiftless, or that blacks were less advanced than whites. Hey, did you hear that jews kidnap little boys, drain their blood and use them to make matzohs? Fake stories like these can be a potent tool to promulgate fear of a race/religion/sexual orientation.

Oh look. Another childish attempt to shoot the messenger. I guess actually producing something to refute the findings is out of the questions.

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>Are you talking about anything on par with "28 percent having 1,000
>or more sex partners"?

Reminds me of those "scientific studies" showing american indians were naturally shiftless, or that blacks were less advanced than whites. Hey, did you hear that jews kidnap little boys, drain their blood and use them to make matzohs? Fake stories like these can be a potent tool to promulgate fear of a race/religion/sexual orientation.

Oh look. Another childish attempt to shoot the messenger. I guess actually producing something to refute the findings is out of the questions.

Being that in an earlier post, you refuted my findings claiming it was from a site that which was biased because it wanted to disprove Christianity, even though it was using an objective reference.

Yet now, when others refute yours by saying it is from a Christian website, you demand more evidence.

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I put qualifiers on those studies from the get go.

You're the one who was using these numbers to debate. Cant have it both ways bud...

What do you mean? I posted the findings, said I can't vouch for them.

Has anyone providing anything to show that the findings were flawed?

Not that I've seen.

Personally, I think the findings are extreme, but it doesn't upset my worldview if they are true.

It's funny to watch how some people react when these taboo subjects get brought up.

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Being that in an earlier post, you refuted my findings claiming it was from a site that which was biased because it wanted to disprove Christianity, even though it was using an objective reference.

Yet now, when others refute yours by saying it is from a Christian website, you demand more evidence.

What gives?

What objective reference? I did a google search for the book and author cited. I got nothing.

As far as the "28 percent having 1,000 or more sex partners" claim goes... it's from " A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women ", published by Simon & Schuster. I think it's available at the San Francisco library.

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Robertson, History of Christianity

First link is to Amazon. I'll also bet it's in the San Francisco library. Open to page 168.

That book doesn't claim to prove anything except state the history of Christianity.

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Robertson, History of Christianity

First link is to Amazon. I'll also bet it's in the San Francisco library. Open to page 168.

That book doesn't claim to prove anything except state the history of Christianity.

Touche'

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That book doesn't claim to prove anything except state the history of Christianity.

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The total number of deaths due to the crusades had been estimated at around nine million, at least half of which were Christians. Many of these were simply innocent civilians caught in the carnage.

The book was written over 100 years ago.

I guess there hasn't been much written in the last 100 years supporting him 9 million deaths claim.

And yes I'm aware of the irony here.

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I might be talking out of my ass here, but I don't think much has changed regarding the Crusades in the past 100 years.

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>Another childish attempt to shoot the messenger.

?? Not shooting you, shooting the people who come up with stats like that.

>I guess actually producing something to refute the findings is out
>of the questions.

Sure. But first here's an equally silly stat:

Wilt Chamberlain, heterosexual, said he had sex with 20,000 women. Ludacris claimed a similar record, but later admitted that he had exaggerated a bit. Haven't seen any gay men or women claiming that! Both silly _and_ true.

Now some real numbers/cites:

Straight men aged 18-49 have an 8% chance of being celibate, an 80% chance of having one parner, and a 12% chance of having two or more partners during that time. Gay men in the same age range have a 24% chance of being celibate, a 41% chance of having one partner, and a 35% chance of having two or more partners.

In other words, gay men are three times more likely to be celibate, and a little less than three times more likely to have multiple partners.

D Binson, 1995, Journal of Sex Research 32
M Dolcini, 1993, Family Planning Perspectives 25

The median number of partners for heterosexuals is 5; the median number of partners for homosexuals is 6.

Laumann, Edward, The social organization of sexuality: Sexual practices in the United States. U Chicago Press, 1994.

In a 1993 study of gay and bisexual men, 24% had one male partner, 45% had 2-4 male partners, 13% had 5-9 and 18% had 10 or more.

J Billy, 1993, Family Planning Perspectives, vol 25


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Surveys on sexual behavior are notoriously unreliable, because people will tend to lie about things (i.e. if you have had multiple sexual partners since you've been married) even if they think the survey is anonymous and the individual results will not be released. The above merely indicates that heterosexuals and homosexuals answer surveys on sex in similar ways, most of the time.

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Come on Bill those numbers are just silly.... they are far too normal to portray the percieved level of perversion that gay men are supposed to be living up to.

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Are you talking about anything on par with "28 percent having 1,000 or more sex partners"?

By the way, that's a total crock of shit. So are the rest of your so-called statistics. I Googled that so-called statistic, as well as some others you quote, and they all come from Christian Coalition, or the Family Research Council (an anti-gay organization), or similar rabidly anti-homosexual sites. Didn't it occur to you that we'd get around to checking it out for ourselves?

Christians LYING?

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Robertson, History of Christianity

First link is to Amazon. I'll also bet it's in the San Francisco library. Open to page 168.

That book doesn't claim to prove anything except state the history of Christianity.

And Michael Moore is just a documentary film-maker.

Here's what wikipedia has to say about the man:

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Robertson was an advocate of the Jesus-Myth theory, and in several books he argued strongly against the historicity of Jesus. According to Robertson, the character of Jesus in the New Testament developed from a Jewish cult of Joshua, whom he identifies as a solar deity.

Just stating the "history of Christianity". Riiiiight

From what little I've read about the man, it certainly seems like undermining Christianity was a driving force in his life.

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I might be talking out of my ass here, but I don't think much has changed regarding the Crusades in the past 100 years.

Why don't we find modern day sources making the claim of "nine million deaths in the Crusades"? Maybe it's because that claim was made by a biased source and subsequent scholars of the Crusades saw it for what it was.