Why don't they mind their own business?

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The easy going Christians are on the rampage over the Gays again.... What's it got to do with them?

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But gay rights group Outrage's Peter Tatchell said no mainstream religious groups were supporting the protest.

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Critics say the regulations would mean hotels could not refuse to provide rooms for gay couples, and religious groups would be obliged to rent out halls for gay wedding receptions.


Um, excuse me? This is absolutely wrong. Churches should be able to refuse to hold gay wedding receptions. How is this NOT forcing "beliefs" down on Christians, instead of leaving Christians alone to believe what they want to believe?

Such double standards.

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Critics say the regulations would mean hotels could not refuse to provide rooms for gay couples, and religious groups would be obliged to rent out halls for gay wedding receptions.


Um, excuse me? This is absolutely wrong. Churches should be able to refuse to hold gay wedding receptions. How is this NOT forcing "beliefs" down on Christians, instead of leaving Christians alone to believe what they want to believe?

Such double standards.

If churches want to enter the business world, they should have to follow the same rules as any other business. Why should a church get special treatment? That would be the double standard!

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Critics say the regulations would mean hotels could not refuse to provide rooms for gay couples, and religious groups would be obliged to rent out halls for gay wedding receptions.


Um, excuse me? This is absolutely wrong. Churches should be able to refuse to hold gay wedding receptions. How is this NOT forcing "beliefs" down on Christians, instead of leaving Christians alone to believe what they want to believe?

Such double standards.

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I don't really see churches as businesses. They should have the right to refuse to do anything going against their beliefs.

By forcing churches ( who believe the Bible to be true) to hold receptions for gay couples, is showing a complete lack of respect for their faith.

People don't want to hear Christian's beliefs being thrown at them, well I don't want to hear this polluted world's beliefs being thrown at me.

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I don't really see churches as businesses. They should have the right to refuse to do anything going against their beliefs.

By forcing churches ( who believe the Bible to be true) to hold receptions for gay couples, is showing a complete lack of respect for their faith.

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Hall rental is not a business? That's what was specifically mentioned.

Many of the TV churches are enormous businesses.

Church Hall rental competes with hotels, banqueting facilities, etc. SAME RULES SHOULD APPLY TO ALL. Giving churches special treatment is a double standard.

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People don't want to hear Christian's beliefs being thrown at them, well I don't want to hear this polluted world's beliefs being thrown at me

I don't believe anyone proposed forcing you to go to the church hall during a gay ceremony.

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Critics say the regulations would mean hotels could not refuse to provide rooms for gay couples, and religious groups would be obliged to rent out halls for gay wedding receptions.


Um, excuse me? This is absolutely wrong. Churches should be able to refuse to hold gay wedding receptions. How is this NOT forcing "beliefs" down on Christians, instead of leaving Christians alone to believe what they want to believe?

Such double standards.

If churches want to enter the business world, they should have to follow the same rules as any other business. Why should a church get special treatment? That would be the double standard!

So the whole concept of Religious Freedom is conditional???

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It's very simple -

let the churches have their property rights and attendance rights and they can allow or forbid anyone onto the property for any reason, reasonable or arbitrary or whimsical - just like one can with their homes and private businesses

and, if they are smart, they just state when someone is not welcome "you are not welcome here" and NOT SAY WHY - it's better for PR

in return, let the churches file on their profits and not have a tax exempt status. If they own property and also benefit from the exchange of currency and the defense of the nation, let that organization pay taxes like the rest of us

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Critics say the regulations would mean hotels could not refuse to provide rooms for gay couples, and religious groups would be obliged to rent out halls for gay wedding receptions.


Um, excuse me? This is absolutely wrong. Churches should be able to refuse to hold gay wedding receptions. How is this NOT forcing "beliefs" down on Christians, instead of leaving Christians alone to believe what they want to believe?

Such double standards.

If churches want to enter the business world, they should have to follow the same rules as any other business. Why should a church get special treatment? That would be the double standard!

So the whole concept of Religious Freedom is conditional???

Renting out a property is not religion, it is a business. When churches compete with other businesses, they should play by the same rules.

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>I don't really see churches as businesses.

That's one of the problems in the UK - the church is more integrated into government/buisness/economy, as opposed to being separate as they are here.

It's easier to make a distinction here in the US. If you are a church, operating as a nonprofit religious entity, then you can do whatever you like. (or at least have more freedom in what you do.) If you operate a commercial event hall, then you're bound by different rules.

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>nonprofit religious entity

that is funny

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I can't speak for the mega-mall churches or the "TV preachers", but I work setting budgets for churches and they are not the money makers that many seem to believe. As far as allowing a gay marriage, not a chance. You may come and worship, but we would not recognize such a cerimony.

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Individual churches? Agreed. I also consider these to have people in them that truly do mean the best for others. These are what I call "churches". Most things on the small scale are pretty good deals - I think your regular person has good intentions most all the time.

I'll differentiate that from "Churches" or "THE Church" or "organized religion" to be obtuse IYKWIM

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Critics say the regulations would mean hotels could not refuse to provide rooms for gay couples, and religious groups would be obliged to rent out halls for gay wedding receptions.


Um, excuse me? This is absolutely wrong. Churches should be able to refuse to hold gay wedding receptions. How is this NOT forcing "beliefs" down on Christians, instead of leaving Christians alone to believe what they want to believe?

Such double standards.

If churches want to enter the business world, they should have to follow the same rules as any other business. Why should a church get special treatment? That would be the double standard!

So the whole concept of Religious Freedom is conditional???

Renting out a property is not religion, it is a business. When churches compete with other businesses, they should play by the same rules.

So local business laws should trumph the First Amendment?
Yes, I know this case applies to the UK.

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Critics say the regulations would mean hotels could not refuse to provide rooms for gay couples, and religious groups would be obliged to rent out halls for gay wedding receptions.


Um, excuse me? This is absolutely wrong. Churches should be able to refuse to hold gay wedding receptions. How is this NOT forcing "beliefs" down on Christians, instead of leaving Christians alone to believe what they want to believe?

Such double standards.

If churches want to enter the business world, they should have to follow the same rules as any other business. Why should a church get special treatment? That would be the double standard!

So the whole concept of Religious Freedom is conditional???

Renting out a property is not religion, it is a business. When churches compete with other businesses, they should play by the same rules.

So local business laws should trumph the First Amendment?
Yes, I know this case applies to the UK.

Who is suggesting that any church's freedom is restricted in matters of religion? Don't confuse religion with church.

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There are a lot of other places people can get married @. Like a backyard, a rented hall or during a skydive--my fav. So if a church wants to discriminate and lose money then thats their own bad business practice. Besides aren't gay weddings kind of just for fun? I thought that they weren't actually legal weddings. Is this correct?

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I don't really see churches as businesses. They should have the right to refuse to do anything going against their beliefs.

By forcing churches ( who believe the Bible to be true) to hold receptions for gay couples, is showing a complete lack of respect for their faith.

People don't want to hear Christian's beliefs being thrown at them, well I don't want to hear this polluted world's beliefs being thrown at me.

So much for live and let live and turn the other cheek and do unto others eh?

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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Basically the RELIGIOUS WRONG.... has to have a boogieman that they can use to keep the flock in line with boogieman stories. Its a favorite tactic of our far right.. of which the largest compnent is the Religious Right... Falwell...Robertson et al.

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>People don't want to hear Christian's beliefs being thrown at them,
> well I don't want to hear this polluted world's beliefs being thrown at
> me.

That's fine; you don't have to listen. But we live in a society where their right to _say_ those things is protected. Freedom of speech is not equivalent to "freedom from hearing things I don't like."

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Maybe I'm wrong, but this story is more about discrimination than anything else.

We're not allowed to discriminate on the grounds of Race, Colour or Creed nor are we allowed to against normal straight sexual orientation, so why would it be O.K to do so against those of a Gay Orientation?

These people should be supported by the same rights as the rest of us - shouldn't they? Let me hear you say "Yes Tony".


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So if a church wants to discriminate and lose money then thats their own bad business practice.

And keep them blackies out while you're at it...

Remster

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No Tony.

Gay people are not regular people. They are servants of Satan and should not be allowed to live in society with the rest of us.

Now....where were we?

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See, I just knew that I was wrong - no change there then.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[yjumpinoz 0]

Sick the ACLU on us....