AFFI 0 #101 January 9, 2007 Quote I see a majority of Atheists here argue about a god, heaven and hell that doesn't exist it just doesn't make any sense to me. Why argue about a silly book that was written over 2,000 years ago if you don't believe in it? Why argue when we only have one great catch all answer? It doesn't make any sense to me. No, it does not make sense, but then again, a lot of things humans do, do not make sense. It is not just the Atheists or the Religious that become heated in their debate, it is two sided. I have seen religious persons get quite involved with “saving” others, I suppose because they felt it is their duty to ensure their fellow human beings get saved from whatever negative fate they subscribe to. I have also seen a religious person become very agitated, to the point of aggression because someone present in a room simply stated they were an atheist. Alternatively, I have seen Atheists do the same thing, I suppose because they felt it is their duty to save the other person from wasting their time believing in something that is non-existent, perhaps they want the other person to “see the light”. The religious want to save others souls, the atheists want to save the religious from wasting the precious moments of their lives??? No, it does not make sense, but then again, a lot of things humans do, do not make sense. All I can do for inner peace is to let it go and just accept that the world and the people in it are the way they are and I am powerless to do anything about it. Both Religious and Atheists alike are always invited into my home to break bread and drink wine. There is no reason in my way of thinking that we cannot all get along harmoniously. I have endeavored to author this reply in keeping with the OP... -Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #102 January 9, 2007 I once read a fantastic essay written by Roy Williams that I found quite liberating for my inner peace, perhaps you will too. “Have you ever seen two parties reconcile when both sides believed themselves to be entirely right? Have you ever seen one side of an argument convince the other side through debate? Yet we continue to pile high our evidence, thinking our opponent will say, “Oh, now I see the light. Thank you for pointing out to me how wrong I’ve been.” Humility is an interesting attribute. Often seen as weakness, humility is actually the fruit of a deeper level of confidence and a higher level of thinking. When challenged, the small and insecure mind immediately becomes defensive and combative. But an expansive and secure mind will ask itself, “Do I really want to put my dog in this fight?” When the silent answer is, “No, this fight wouldn’t be worth the trouble or the distraction. It would be a bad investment of my time, and time is the stuff life is made of,” we say, “Maybe you’re right,” and the debate is ended. People call this humility. But when the quiet answer is, “Yes, I will put my dog in this fight because what’s at stake is worth the trouble,” then we see another fruit from the tree whose roots go deep and whose branches soar high. This second fruit is called patience. It allows us to stand firm in our convictions, never becoming frantic, anxious or shrill. Humility and patience; are the roots of your confidence sunk deep enough and do the branches of your intellect soar high enough to produce these daring fruits?” by Roy Williams Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #103 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuote>Offering a molehill (discussions on the Koran) . . . Given that many christians believe the Koran is a reason behind islamic terrorism, I hardly think that's a molehill. (Unless you think that islamic extremism is a non-issue.) Nice job of missing the point. Who do you suggest I talk about the Koran with, Darius or Skyrad? Neither of them seem particularly interested in religious discussions.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CameraNewbie 0 #104 January 9, 2007 QuoteI'd be curious. If the reason was "I hate his fucking guts" then fine; no need to delve further. If it's that "he never works with people who want to do hybrids" that might be useful to know, because I might organize more of them. Okay, you're adding factors to it from the original question that I asked you. Quoteno need to delve further. That my friend, could have been your short and sweet answer instead of adding more things to it. QuoteYou are arguing very strongly that people should not argue about this topic. I never said that Atheist shouldn't argue the point. You guys have every right to do whatever the crap you want to do. This is your world, your life and you can choose to spend it any way you want to. QuoteAsk yourself why you've taken the time to write half a dozen posts only because some applie pie guy wanted to call me out to be a womanizer.Quoteand you will have the answer as to why atheists (and theists) are willing to write half a dozen posts on the subject as well. What I'm trying to say is that we believe that none of that which christians believe in exists, point 1. Point 2, If you don't believe that any of the previous mentioned doesn't exist, why argue it if the only answer you have to offer is "IT DOESN'T EXIST". You're not offering any intelligent answers nor are you offering any strong argumentative points. Mr. Great Load Organizer, will you please stop trying to analyze that the answer to my question is within the question that I asked? I'm just trying to hear out the reasoning why Atheists have to argue with Christians. Like I said, it doesn't make any sense to me, so I would just like to hear everyone's take on it. To say that within the question that I asked lies the answer is to say that everyone holds the same opinion as I do. Clearly, this is not the case. You've already put your 2 cents in when you said people will argue about what they don't agree upon. That's fine. Please leave it as that and please stop analyzing my posts, just let everyone else answer with their own opinions. Thanks.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #105 January 9, 2007 QuoteReally? Am I the only one who sees the atheists/agnostics on this forum proselytizing louder & more often & more angrily than the Christians? Probably not, then again most people who read these forums are christians themselves. Its easy to overlook a bad attitude from someone you agree with. Think about what it would be like if christians were the minority view, maybe someone simply expressing his christian faith would start sounding like a proselytizer - someone who is 'rocking the boat' as it were. The Romans must have found it pretty annoying, why else would they have fed you guys to the lions?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #106 January 9, 2007 QuoteI'm just trying to hear out the reasoning why Atheists have to argue with Christians. The truth is, it's because we're sitting at work and have nothing better to do. We know that an argument about religion will go on forever and give us loads of amusement, from both sides, and therefore will make the day go faster.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CameraNewbie 0 #107 January 9, 2007 QuoteI live on a planet with billions of other people, and I like to hear with those people have to say, whether they agree with me or not. I find it interesting to hear opinions that are different from my own - not just about religion, but about everything. If you're not interested, then don't ask and don't listen. Fine, that's you. I respect your answer. You find it interesting to hear opinions while holding strong to your beliefs about being an Atheist. You like to talking to people. It's not that I don't like talking to people. It's just that I choose not to entertain the subject and concentrate on what really is important in my life. That's a city attitude, I guess. There's no time to argue, just get things done and make things happen.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CameraNewbie 0 #108 January 9, 2007 QuoteThe truth is, it's because we're sitting at work and have nothing better to do. give us loads of amusement, from both sides, and therefore will make the day go faster. Now, you see, that my friend is a good answer. It was honest, short and sweet and to the point!What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #109 January 9, 2007 I like discussing religion with people who are theists and atheists who will try to be civil. The minute it becomes personal, I'm less comfortable with it. I believe I have learned a lot from those who do not share my views. Over the years my views have grown to include new ideas and have shrunken (so to speak) to exclude some ideas that had no merit other than I was simply told that. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #110 January 9, 2007 QuoteThe truth is, it's because we're sitting at work and have nothing better to do. I bet you live in the "City" where ever that is. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #111 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe truth is, it's because we're sitting at work and have nothing better to do. I bet you live in the "City" where ever that is. The City is a state of mind.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #112 January 9, 2007 QuoteThat's a city attitude, I guess. There's no time to argue, just get things done and make things happen. I don't think it has much to do with the city. I know plenty of city folk who like to argue about this here religion stuff. Apparently you have time to argue about this particular topic, perhaps because it interests you for whatever reason. And, having given more thought to your original question, I realize that the simple answer to why I like to argue with Christians... is that I am a masochist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #113 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe truth is, it's because we're sitting at work and have nothing better to do. I bet you live in the "City" where ever that is. The City is a state of mind. So, you're saying then that the City of the Mind is actually a state? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #114 January 9, 2007 QuoteI'll close my ears and walk around them and go about my way because time is precious in this world. Therefore, I can't waste it trying to find out why they believe they're a frog. You seem to have pissed away at least two hours already, looking for an answer to a rather inane question. Don't you have some women to impress with your car and your money? With your posts, you are doing one of two things. You are either proving the Christians right that the knowledge of God tends to instill morals in one's life, or you're giving all of those self righteous atheists a bad name. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #115 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteI live on a planet with billions of other people, and I like to hear with those people have to say, whether they agree with me or not. I find it interesting to hear opinions that are different from my own - not just about religion, but about everything. If you're not interested, then don't ask and don't listen. Fine, that's you. I respect your answer. You find it interesting to hear opinions while holding strong to your beliefs about being an Atheist. You like to talking to people. It's not that I don't like talking to people. It's just that I choose not to entertain the subject and concentrate on what really is important in my life. That's a city attitude, I guess. There's no time to argue, just get things done and make things happen. SO, as has already been asked, WHY ARE YOU HERE?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CameraNewbie 0 #116 January 9, 2007 QuoteYou might actually have a lot in common in your viewpoint with some of the original atheists - they were much more thoughtful (though much of your commentary is colored by the modern disdain that's so apparent, the basic premise you put forth is simple and clear and belief-based). Excellent point! I'm glad you put away your pie slicer back in its sheath.QuoteThe simple position is a belief that there is no god - it has to be taken on faith just as religious types do. How can you say that not believing in what christians believe in has been taken on as faith with Atheists? Don't you think it's just black and white. We don't believe in what they believe in. What we don't believe what they believe in does not make it a belief for Atheists IMO.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #117 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteI'll close my ears and walk around them and go about my way because time is precious in this world. Therefore, I can't waste it trying to find out why they believe they're a frog. You seem to have pissed away at least two hours already, looking for an answer to a rather inane question. Don't you have some women to impress with your car and your money? With your posts, you are doing one of two things. You are either proving the Christians right that the knowledge of God tends to instill morals in one's life, or you're giving all of those self righteous atheists a bad name. I've heard the statement that God doesn't obey the rules of logic, but you are supposed to.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #118 January 9, 2007 >To say that within the question that I asked lies the answer is to say > that everyone holds the same opinion as I do. Clearly, this is not > the case. I agree. But the reason most people post on DZ.com is, from my experience, pretty similar - because they have nothing better to do, and it can be fun. (Actually, let me expand this into something of a warning - I hope other people are not posting here for any other reason than to waste time and be amused!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CameraNewbie 0 #119 January 9, 2007 QuoteI bet you live in the "City" where ever that is. There is only one city that's worth mentioning, and that's the one with 8 million people in it, not including the State.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,596 #120 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe truth is, it's because we're sitting at work and have nothing better to do. I bet you live in the "City" where ever that is. The City is a state of mind. So, you're saying then that the City of the Mind is actually a state? You winDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #121 January 9, 2007 QuoteHow can you say that not believing in what christians believe in has been taken on as faith with Atheists? Don't you think it's just black and white. We don't believe in what they believe in. What we don't believe what they believe in does not make it a belief for Atheists IMO. Huh? That made no sense whatsoever. Regardless, atheism is a belief in nothing. Agnosticism is no belief. There is a difference. Furthermore, there is also a difference between a believing in a physical God and believing in a symbolic God (using the term God to portray a force, internal or external - which would be more of just spirituality rather then religious belief).This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #122 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou might actually have a lot in common in your viewpoint with some of the original atheists - they were much more thoughtful (though much of your commentary is colored by the modern disdain that's so apparent, the basic premise you put forth is simple and clear and belief-based). Excellent point! I'm glad you put away your pie slicer back in its sheath.QuoteThe simple position is a belief that there is no god - it has to be taken on faith just as religious types do. How can you say that not believing in what christians believe in has been taken on as faith with Atheists? Don't you think it's just black and white. We don't believe in what they believe in. What we don't believe what they believe in does not make it a belief for Atheists IMO. You can't prove that something does not exist. You can have a reasonable belief that something does not exist based on the total absence of any evidence for its existence and the total absence of any logical reason why it should exist.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #123 January 9, 2007 QuoteWhat we don't believe what they believe in does not make it a belief for Atheists IMO. If Chewbacca is from Endor - then you must acquit I'm glad you consider a note that calls your original assessment simple, is 'excellent'. It's a theme here so far. I consider atheism equivalent to religion. Mainly because of the zealotry and emotion it's based on. Agnosticism is what we're really talking about. But that's not the important part of my post. The idea that faith or lack of faith has a potential effect on peoples actions and choices is the discussion that's missing. In the end, beliefs are interesting, but actions are what matters. But that's much different than a politics board on DZ.com where you can spin up some excitable kid you've never met just because you get bored between meetings. The Topic really doesn't matter so much as the mutual entertainment you both get . ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #124 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteI bet you live in the "City" where ever that is. There is only one city that's worth mentioning, and that's the one with 8 million people in it, not including the State. Just 8 million? I don't think you can really call it a City until it has at least 28 million people...This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #125 January 9, 2007 Quotehere's an interesting article about contemporary atheists, it rings very true http://www.opinionjournal.com/taste/?id=110009482 Interesting article. Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next Page 5 of 9 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
rehmwa 2 #113 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe truth is, it's because we're sitting at work and have nothing better to do. I bet you live in the "City" where ever that is. The City is a state of mind. So, you're saying then that the City of the Mind is actually a state? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #114 January 9, 2007 QuoteI'll close my ears and walk around them and go about my way because time is precious in this world. Therefore, I can't waste it trying to find out why they believe they're a frog. You seem to have pissed away at least two hours already, looking for an answer to a rather inane question. Don't you have some women to impress with your car and your money? With your posts, you are doing one of two things. You are either proving the Christians right that the knowledge of God tends to instill morals in one's life, or you're giving all of those self righteous atheists a bad name. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #115 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteI live on a planet with billions of other people, and I like to hear with those people have to say, whether they agree with me or not. I find it interesting to hear opinions that are different from my own - not just about religion, but about everything. If you're not interested, then don't ask and don't listen. Fine, that's you. I respect your answer. You find it interesting to hear opinions while holding strong to your beliefs about being an Atheist. You like to talking to people. It's not that I don't like talking to people. It's just that I choose not to entertain the subject and concentrate on what really is important in my life. That's a city attitude, I guess. There's no time to argue, just get things done and make things happen. SO, as has already been asked, WHY ARE YOU HERE?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CameraNewbie 0 #116 January 9, 2007 QuoteYou might actually have a lot in common in your viewpoint with some of the original atheists - they were much more thoughtful (though much of your commentary is colored by the modern disdain that's so apparent, the basic premise you put forth is simple and clear and belief-based). Excellent point! I'm glad you put away your pie slicer back in its sheath.QuoteThe simple position is a belief that there is no god - it has to be taken on faith just as religious types do. How can you say that not believing in what christians believe in has been taken on as faith with Atheists? Don't you think it's just black and white. We don't believe in what they believe in. What we don't believe what they believe in does not make it a belief for Atheists IMO.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #117 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteI'll close my ears and walk around them and go about my way because time is precious in this world. Therefore, I can't waste it trying to find out why they believe they're a frog. You seem to have pissed away at least two hours already, looking for an answer to a rather inane question. Don't you have some women to impress with your car and your money? With your posts, you are doing one of two things. You are either proving the Christians right that the knowledge of God tends to instill morals in one's life, or you're giving all of those self righteous atheists a bad name. I've heard the statement that God doesn't obey the rules of logic, but you are supposed to.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #118 January 9, 2007 >To say that within the question that I asked lies the answer is to say > that everyone holds the same opinion as I do. Clearly, this is not > the case. I agree. But the reason most people post on DZ.com is, from my experience, pretty similar - because they have nothing better to do, and it can be fun. (Actually, let me expand this into something of a warning - I hope other people are not posting here for any other reason than to waste time and be amused!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CameraNewbie 0 #119 January 9, 2007 QuoteI bet you live in the "City" where ever that is. There is only one city that's worth mentioning, and that's the one with 8 million people in it, not including the State.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #120 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe truth is, it's because we're sitting at work and have nothing better to do. I bet you live in the "City" where ever that is. The City is a state of mind. So, you're saying then that the City of the Mind is actually a state? You winDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #121 January 9, 2007 QuoteHow can you say that not believing in what christians believe in has been taken on as faith with Atheists? Don't you think it's just black and white. We don't believe in what they believe in. What we don't believe what they believe in does not make it a belief for Atheists IMO. Huh? That made no sense whatsoever. Regardless, atheism is a belief in nothing. Agnosticism is no belief. There is a difference. Furthermore, there is also a difference between a believing in a physical God and believing in a symbolic God (using the term God to portray a force, internal or external - which would be more of just spirituality rather then religious belief).This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #122 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou might actually have a lot in common in your viewpoint with some of the original atheists - they were much more thoughtful (though much of your commentary is colored by the modern disdain that's so apparent, the basic premise you put forth is simple and clear and belief-based). Excellent point! I'm glad you put away your pie slicer back in its sheath.QuoteThe simple position is a belief that there is no god - it has to be taken on faith just as religious types do. How can you say that not believing in what christians believe in has been taken on as faith with Atheists? Don't you think it's just black and white. We don't believe in what they believe in. What we don't believe what they believe in does not make it a belief for Atheists IMO. You can't prove that something does not exist. You can have a reasonable belief that something does not exist based on the total absence of any evidence for its existence and the total absence of any logical reason why it should exist.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #123 January 9, 2007 QuoteWhat we don't believe what they believe in does not make it a belief for Atheists IMO. If Chewbacca is from Endor - then you must acquit I'm glad you consider a note that calls your original assessment simple, is 'excellent'. It's a theme here so far. I consider atheism equivalent to religion. Mainly because of the zealotry and emotion it's based on. Agnosticism is what we're really talking about. But that's not the important part of my post. The idea that faith or lack of faith has a potential effect on peoples actions and choices is the discussion that's missing. In the end, beliefs are interesting, but actions are what matters. But that's much different than a politics board on DZ.com where you can spin up some excitable kid you've never met just because you get bored between meetings. The Topic really doesn't matter so much as the mutual entertainment you both get . ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #124 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteI bet you live in the "City" where ever that is. There is only one city that's worth mentioning, and that's the one with 8 million people in it, not including the State. Just 8 million? I don't think you can really call it a City until it has at least 28 million people...This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #125 January 9, 2007 Quotehere's an interesting article about contemporary atheists, it rings very true http://www.opinionjournal.com/taste/?id=110009482 Interesting article. Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
