mnealtx 0 #126 January 9, 2007 QuoteYou were responding to John's statement "Maybe I should also carry a syringe of clot dissolver" And John was responding to my claim that just having the weapon available was a deterrent. QuoteYou responded "show me ...the strokes prevented by availability of syringes of warfarin" Yup...and neither you nor he have been able to show any PREVENTATIVE benefit of having either. QuoteQuotePardon me for not knowing that warfarin wasn't an injectable - Nope, it isn't ...and it's also not the class of drugs John was referring to. In short, you had no idea what you were talking about. I realize it will be limiting for you, but perhaps if you would stick with subjects you know something about ... No problem... since you've not been in Iraq, I don't expect to see you posting in any threads concerning it, etc.... funny how that "turn about is fair play" comes back to bite you on the ass, hmm?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #127 January 9, 2007 Quote What's more likely to save me? Side Airbags? Half an asprin a day? Regular anal probes from your proctologist? I could go on, but I like ending on a high note. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #128 January 9, 2007 Quote You were responding to John's statement "Maybe I should also carry a syringe of clot dissolver" You responded "show me ...the strokes prevented by availability of syringes of warfarin" QuotePardon me for not knowing that warfarin wasn't an injectable - Nope, it isn't ...and it's also not the class of drugs John was referring to. In short, you had no idea what you were talking about. I realize it will be limiting for you, but perhaps if you would stick with subjects you know something about ... Am I missing something here? warfarin *is* injectable. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #129 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuote You were responding to John's statement "Maybe I should also carry a syringe of clot dissolver" You responded "show me ...the strokes prevented by availability of syringes of warfarin" QuotePardon me for not knowing that warfarin wasn't an injectable - Nope, it isn't ...and it's also not the class of drugs John was referring to. In short, you had no idea what you were talking about. I realize it will be limiting for you, but perhaps if you would stick with subjects you know something about ... Am I missing something here? warfarin *is* injectable. Walt Only if you do it like this http://www.worldofstock.com/closeups/PSO1099.php----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #130 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote You were responding to John's statement "Maybe I should also carry a syringe of clot dissolver" You responded "show me ...the strokes prevented by availability of syringes of warfarin" QuotePardon me for not knowing that warfarin wasn't an injectable - Nope, it isn't ...and it's also not the class of drugs John was referring to. In short, you had no idea what you were talking about. I realize it will be limiting for you, but perhaps if you would stick with subjects you know something about ... Am I missing something here? warfarin *is* injectable. Walt Only if you do it like this http://www.worldofstock.com/closeups/PSO1099.php I suppose that's one way of doing it, but I'm pretty sure I'd prefer the more conventional way. Maybe I'm just being kind of picky, though. edited to add: It does need to be reconstituted before injection, though, so carrying syringes of warfarin sodium around wouldn't make much sense. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #131 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuote What's more likely to save me? Side Airbags? Half an asprin a day? Regular anal probes from your proctologist? I could go on, but I like ending on a high note. OK, I'll add the tinfoil beanie, dark chocolate, and daily glass of red wine to the list. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #132 January 9, 2007 Quote[dream_sequence] Walking out my front door in the morning, I see two thugs assaulting an elderly woman and they are obviously intent on raping and killing her. Suddenly, Clint Eastwood has nothing on me!!! In one swift motion I draw my concealed handgun double tap both bad guys in the chest. "Cool!!!", I think. What better way to start the day than with a couple of kills?!!! The police show up and shake my hand after telling me that both guys are escaped serial rapists and murderers. After answering some questions, I walk to my car so I can drive to work, when suddenly a slimeball walks up and pulls a knife on me. I waste no time popping him twice in the chest and twice in his face before he hits the ground, already dead. "Hey, you guys give volume discounts?", I say jokingly to the police, who are still not done with the paperwork on my first two kills of the day. They get a real laugh out of that and say, "Tell ya' what. We'll just pretend we didn't see that one--the guy deserved it for only bringing a knife to a gunfight!" I like those guys! A short while later, I'm stopped at a traffic light when a couple of "misguided youth" come up point a gun at me and tell me to get out of the car. "Please don't hurt me!", I say, playing the part of the compliant victim. Naturally, they let their guard down just long enough for me to blow both of 'em away. Yeah, this day is starting off right!!!! [/dream_sequence] Thats my favourite dream. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #133 January 9, 2007 QuoteAs I said tote a gun by all means, issuing statements about preparedness is going to invite some stark commentary. You still haven't answered my question--Where did anyone in this thread say you have to carry a gun to be prepared or that you're fearful if you don't carry a gun?I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #134 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteAs I said tote a gun by all means, issuing statements about preparedness is going to invite some stark commentary. You still haven't answered my question--Where did anyone in this thread say you have to carry a gun to be prepared or that you're fearful if you don't carry a gun? It wasn't a question it was you professing a memory lapse, and this is not an interrogation, the thread is there for anyone to check what's been written, I invite them to do so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #135 January 9, 2007 QuoteTrouble is, guys who admit that open themselves up to all the penile inadequacy stuff. Hence they make up the other justifications. A load of crap. Just because someone choses to carry a gun means only that they recognize that there could be a threat and decide to protect themselves from it. Just like Von said "If the AAD serves only as a backup, it's a good thing overall. If it lets you get on more dangerous skydives, knowing that your AAD will save you if you get hit hard, it hurts you more than it helps you." If you do the same with a gun, you are an idiot. But calling people names since they decide to carry is pathetic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #136 January 9, 2007 QuoteNo problem... since you've not been in Iraq, I don't expect to see you posting in any threads concerning it, etc.... funny how that "turn about is fair play" comes back to bite you on the ass, hmm? ZING!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #137 January 9, 2007 QuoteI think a lot of people carry guns just because they plain like carrying guns. Which is fine. Won't hurt them unless they're stupid, and may help them in rare cases People carry guns for a number of reasons. My parents both carry, but they are both older and not physically able to fight off an attacker. My sister, brother and myself all have CHL's. My sister never carries, I pretty much never carry, and my brother often has a weapon with him or in his car. None of the times I carry is because I like having a gun. In fact most times it is a bigger pain to carry than it is worth. But I support the right. And what I never get is how some have an issue with a person legally carrying? We KNOW that criminals carry guns. So why not allow law abiding citizens to carry as well? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #138 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteTrouble is, guys who admit that open themselves up to all the penile inadequacy stuff. Hence they make up the other justifications. A load of crap. Just because someone choses to carry a gun means only that they recognize that there could be a threat and decide to protect themselves from it. . So you've NEVER heard that said? You must lead a sheltered existence. I got this from packing.org " It is a subject that is despised on most discussion lists, causing hot arguments, angry responses, and calls for banning the subject entirely. When discussing firearm carry on various lists, I have had questions answered and good points raised. However, I have also been accused of being naive, insecure, fearful, paranoid, stupid, and of having a small penis. I am, quite simply, astonished. " He "doth protest too much, methinks." William Shakespeare, "Hamlet", Act 3 scene 2... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #139 January 9, 2007 QuoteSo you've NEVER heard that said? Oh, I have heard it. But I think those that say it are have other issues. And that stooping to that level is stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #140 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteAs I said tote a gun by all means, issuing statements about preparedness is going to invite some stark commentary. You still haven't answered my question--Where did anyone in this thread say you have to carry a gun to be prepared or that you're fearful if you don't carry a gun? It wasn't a question it was you professing a memory lapse, and this is not an interrogation, the thread is there for anyone to check what's been written, I invite them to do so. Okay, let's try this another way. I challenge you to quote where anybody in this thread has said that a person must carry a gun in order to be prepared or that people who don't carry guns are more fearful than people who do. For those of you who have been struggling with the definition of a "straw man" argument, THIS is a straw man argument. "A straw man argument is a logical fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To 'set up a straw man' or 'set up a straw-man argument' is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent." --WikipediaI don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #141 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteSo you've NEVER heard that said? Oh, I have heard it. But I think those that say it are have other issues. And that stooping to that level is stupid. I agree. All I wrote is that (as you well know) people open themselves up to such comments . I have no personal interest in the size of your dick.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #142 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Okay, let's try this another way. I challenge you to quote where anybody in this thread has said that a person must carry a gun in order to be prepared or that people who don't carry guns are more fearful than people who do. Well, you did write: Personally, I think you two are the ones who are fearful. Like a caveman fearing fire, you fear what you don't understand. You've never had much exposure to guns, and you know that they hurt people, so you simply fear them. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #143 January 9, 2007 Why waste your energy, if I titled a post "The difference between Douva and a heterosexual", then made remarks characterizing both the insult would be clear no matter how I tried to spin it later. It just defies reason to demand a quote and claim something wasn't said when it's a dominant and patently obvious theme in one's posts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #144 January 9, 2007 Quote "A straw man argument is a logical fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To 'set up a straw man' or 'set up a straw-man argument' is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent." --Wikipedia Another logical fallacy is the false choice. This all distracts from the central theme though, if you like staying on target the real message for those who like to consider themselves "prepared" is that guns might be cooler than a finger up the ass, but planning the latter is in fact better preparation to mitigate a real risk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #145 January 9, 2007 Edit: Screw it, I'm not going to try this debate again with someone who twists words and misquotes people.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #146 January 9, 2007 QuoteSo you've NEVER heard that said? You must lead a sheltered existence. I got this from packing.org " It is a subject that is despised on most discussion lists, causing hot arguments, angry responses, and calls for banning the subject entirely. When discussing firearm carry on various lists, I have had questions answered and good points raised. However, I have also been accused of being naive, insecure, fearful, paranoid, stupid, and of having a small penis. I am, quite simply, astonished. " He "doth protest too much, methinks." William Shakespeare, "Hamlet", Act 3 scene 2 He never claimed that he had never heard it before, he just said that the statement is a load of crap. The person you quoted is not claiming those traits for himself, he's describing what anti-gun people have accused him of. Just because some nut accuses you of something, does not mean it is true. A few messages later you agreed that stooping to that level is stupid, and yet you did it anyway... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #147 January 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteSo you've NEVER heard that said? You must lead a sheltered existence. I got this from packing.org " It is a subject that is despised on most discussion lists, causing hot arguments, angry responses, and calls for banning the subject entirely. When discussing firearm carry on various lists, I have had questions answered and good points raised. However, I have also been accused of being naive, insecure, fearful, paranoid, stupid, and of having a small penis. I am, quite simply, astonished. " He "doth protest too much, methinks." William Shakespeare, "Hamlet", Act 3 scene 2 He never claimed that he had never heard it before, he just said that the statement is a load of crap. The person you quoted is not claiming those traits for himself, he's describing what anti-gun people have accused him of. Which is EXACTLY what I said Quote Just because some nut accuses you of something, does not mean it is true. I didn't claim it was, read it again. Quote A few messages later you agreed that stooping to that level is stupid, and yet you did it anyway... If you read very carefully, you will see that I did nothing of the sort. I stated that you open yourself up to such statements, provided proof, DaVinci said he'd heard it too, and you just agreed with me.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Douva 0 #148 January 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Okay, let's try this another way. I challenge you to quote where anybody in this thread has said that a person must carry a gun in order to be prepared or that people who don't carry guns are more fearful than people who do. Well, you did write: Personally, I think you two are the ones who are fearful. Like a caveman fearing fire, you fear what you don't understand. You've never had much exposure to guns, and you know that they hurt people, so you simply fear them. Yes, and I specifically said, "you two," not "all people who don't carry guns."I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Douva 0 #149 January 10, 2007 QuoteWhy waste your energy, if I titled a post "The difference between Douva and a heterosexual", then made remarks characterizing both the insult would be clear no matter how I tried to spin it later. It just defies reason to demand a quote and claim something wasn't said when it's a dominant and patently obvious theme in one's posts. QuoteAnother logical fallacy is the false choice. This all distracts from the central theme though, if you like staying on target the real message for those who like to consider themselves "prepared" is that guns might be cooler than a finger up the ass, but planning the latter is in fact better preparation to mitigate a real risk. What I said: QuoteThe prepared person owns a gun or a gas mask or a million other things he probably won't need but might. Learn your coordinating conjunctions, dorbie. The word "or" in that sentence clearly indicates that one does not have to carry a gun in order to be prepared. You can't provide a quote showing where anybody in this thread said a person must carry a gun in order to be prepared, and you can't provide a quote showing where anybody in this thread said people who don't carry guns are more fearful than people who do, because nobody in this thread has said or alluded to either of those things. You and the rest of the anti-gun crowd have run out of logical arguments, so you're setting up transparent straw men that aren't fooling anybody, and now that you've been called on that, you've stooped to veiled insults that border on gibberish. I'm with Aggie Dave. I come to Speaker's Corner for intelligent debates, not straw man tactics and childish insults. I'll save my compelling arguments and irrefutable logic for the next gun thread that sparks my interest.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. 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dorbie 0 #143 January 9, 2007 Why waste your energy, if I titled a post "The difference between Douva and a heterosexual", then made remarks characterizing both the insult would be clear no matter how I tried to spin it later. It just defies reason to demand a quote and claim something wasn't said when it's a dominant and patently obvious theme in one's posts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #144 January 9, 2007 Quote "A straw man argument is a logical fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To 'set up a straw man' or 'set up a straw-man argument' is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent." --Wikipedia Another logical fallacy is the false choice. This all distracts from the central theme though, if you like staying on target the real message for those who like to consider themselves "prepared" is that guns might be cooler than a finger up the ass, but planning the latter is in fact better preparation to mitigate a real risk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #145 January 9, 2007 Edit: Screw it, I'm not going to try this debate again with someone who twists words and misquotes people.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #146 January 9, 2007 QuoteSo you've NEVER heard that said? You must lead a sheltered existence. I got this from packing.org " It is a subject that is despised on most discussion lists, causing hot arguments, angry responses, and calls for banning the subject entirely. When discussing firearm carry on various lists, I have had questions answered and good points raised. However, I have also been accused of being naive, insecure, fearful, paranoid, stupid, and of having a small penis. I am, quite simply, astonished. " He "doth protest too much, methinks." William Shakespeare, "Hamlet", Act 3 scene 2 He never claimed that he had never heard it before, he just said that the statement is a load of crap. The person you quoted is not claiming those traits for himself, he's describing what anti-gun people have accused him of. Just because some nut accuses you of something, does not mean it is true. A few messages later you agreed that stooping to that level is stupid, and yet you did it anyway... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #147 January 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteSo you've NEVER heard that said? You must lead a sheltered existence. I got this from packing.org " It is a subject that is despised on most discussion lists, causing hot arguments, angry responses, and calls for banning the subject entirely. When discussing firearm carry on various lists, I have had questions answered and good points raised. However, I have also been accused of being naive, insecure, fearful, paranoid, stupid, and of having a small penis. I am, quite simply, astonished. " He "doth protest too much, methinks." William Shakespeare, "Hamlet", Act 3 scene 2 He never claimed that he had never heard it before, he just said that the statement is a load of crap. The person you quoted is not claiming those traits for himself, he's describing what anti-gun people have accused him of. Which is EXACTLY what I said Quote Just because some nut accuses you of something, does not mean it is true. I didn't claim it was, read it again. Quote A few messages later you agreed that stooping to that level is stupid, and yet you did it anyway... If you read very carefully, you will see that I did nothing of the sort. I stated that you open yourself up to such statements, provided proof, DaVinci said he'd heard it too, and you just agreed with me.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #148 January 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Okay, let's try this another way. I challenge you to quote where anybody in this thread has said that a person must carry a gun in order to be prepared or that people who don't carry guns are more fearful than people who do. Well, you did write: Personally, I think you two are the ones who are fearful. Like a caveman fearing fire, you fear what you don't understand. You've never had much exposure to guns, and you know that they hurt people, so you simply fear them. Yes, and I specifically said, "you two," not "all people who don't carry guns."I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Douva 0 #149 January 10, 2007 QuoteWhy waste your energy, if I titled a post "The difference between Douva and a heterosexual", then made remarks characterizing both the insult would be clear no matter how I tried to spin it later. It just defies reason to demand a quote and claim something wasn't said when it's a dominant and patently obvious theme in one's posts. QuoteAnother logical fallacy is the false choice. This all distracts from the central theme though, if you like staying on target the real message for those who like to consider themselves "prepared" is that guns might be cooler than a finger up the ass, but planning the latter is in fact better preparation to mitigate a real risk. What I said: QuoteThe prepared person owns a gun or a gas mask or a million other things he probably won't need but might. Learn your coordinating conjunctions, dorbie. The word "or" in that sentence clearly indicates that one does not have to carry a gun in order to be prepared. You can't provide a quote showing where anybody in this thread said a person must carry a gun in order to be prepared, and you can't provide a quote showing where anybody in this thread said people who don't carry guns are more fearful than people who do, because nobody in this thread has said or alluded to either of those things. You and the rest of the anti-gun crowd have run out of logical arguments, so you're setting up transparent straw men that aren't fooling anybody, and now that you've been called on that, you've stooped to veiled insults that border on gibberish. I'm with Aggie Dave. I come to Speaker's Corner for intelligent debates, not straw man tactics and childish insults. I'll save my compelling arguments and irrefutable logic for the next gun thread that sparks my interest.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #150 January 10, 2007 Quote"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud Sounds like an apt description of the gun grabbers and those that support them.....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 6 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Douva 0 #149 January 10, 2007 QuoteWhy waste your energy, if I titled a post "The difference between Douva and a heterosexual", then made remarks characterizing both the insult would be clear no matter how I tried to spin it later. It just defies reason to demand a quote and claim something wasn't said when it's a dominant and patently obvious theme in one's posts. QuoteAnother logical fallacy is the false choice. This all distracts from the central theme though, if you like staying on target the real message for those who like to consider themselves "prepared" is that guns might be cooler than a finger up the ass, but planning the latter is in fact better preparation to mitigate a real risk. What I said: QuoteThe prepared person owns a gun or a gas mask or a million other things he probably won't need but might. Learn your coordinating conjunctions, dorbie. The word "or" in that sentence clearly indicates that one does not have to carry a gun in order to be prepared. You can't provide a quote showing where anybody in this thread said a person must carry a gun in order to be prepared, and you can't provide a quote showing where anybody in this thread said people who don't carry guns are more fearful than people who do, because nobody in this thread has said or alluded to either of those things. You and the rest of the anti-gun crowd have run out of logical arguments, so you're setting up transparent straw men that aren't fooling anybody, and now that you've been called on that, you've stooped to veiled insults that border on gibberish. I'm with Aggie Dave. I come to Speaker's Corner for intelligent debates, not straw man tactics and childish insults. I'll save my compelling arguments and irrefutable logic for the next gun thread that sparks my interest.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #150 January 10, 2007 Quote"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud Sounds like an apt description of the gun grabbers and those that support them.....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
