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jenfly00 0
You were responding to John's statement "Maybe I should also carry a syringe of clot dissolver"
You responded "show me ...the strokes prevented by availability of syringes of warfarin"
Nope, it isn't ...and it's also not the class of drugs John was referring to. In short, you had no idea what you were talking about.
I realize it will be limiting for you, but perhaps if you would stick with subjects you know something about ...
You responded "show me ...the strokes prevented by availability of syringes of warfarin"
QuotePardon me for not knowing that warfarin wasn't an injectable -
Nope, it isn't ...and it's also not the class of drugs John was referring to. In short, you had no idea what you were talking about.
I realize it will be limiting for you, but perhaps if you would stick with subjects you know something about ...
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"O brave new world that has such people in it".
"O brave new world that has such people in it".
Douva 0
I think we all need to heed the advice of Blue Leader.
I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.
kallend 2,150
QuoteQuoteCardiac arrest happens every day. More people die of cardiac arrest than any other cause (including, surprise, being a victim of crime). Do you carry a portable defibrillator with you?
Your theory seems to be that since something else is statistically more likely to kill us, therefore, we shouldn't bother to worry about the less probable causes of death.
Using that philosophy, then it is foolish to wear a seat belt, because it's not likely to ever really be needed, and it's just a waste of time wrestling with it every time we get into or out of a car. Likewise, it's stupid to wear a reserve parachute, since a cardiac arrest is more likely to kill us. That darned reserve parachute is just 10 lbs. of dead weight that we lug around for nothing!
I think the readers here can spot the folly in your argument.
First of all, what's most likely to kill someone varies with the person. For example, a 21-year-old is not likely to die of cardiac arrest. People vary. Circumstances vary. Lifestyles vary.
And just because one item is at the top of the danger list, doesn't mean that we shouldn't be prepared to handle many other dangers that are present in life. Which ones we can do something about depends upon the danger, and the cost and trouble of the preparation. We can't all travel with a personal emergency room physician to jump to our assistance in case of a heart attack.
But if they ever make a heart defibrillator the size and cost of a cell phone, and as I get older, then yes, I might carry one with me. I have an elderly friend with a pacemaker, who wears a heart monitor on his wrist. His circumstances dictate that. Mine don't, at this stage of my life.
But I also live in the 4th largest city in America, which does have some crime, and carrying a gun is often a prudent measure. Whether you like it or not.
Red wine is good, too.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
JohnRich 4
QuoteQuotePardon me for not knowing that warfarin wasn't an injectable -
Nope, it isn't ...and it's also not the class of drugs John was referring to. In short, you had no idea what you were talking about. I realize it will be limiting for you, but perhaps if you would stick with subjects you know something about ...
You're getting hung-up on the technical issue of the particular drug, and are ignoring the argument that was being made about concealed handgun licensees and their deterrent effect. Whatever drug you are talking about does not prevent heart attacks - it just deals with it after it happens. Concealed handgun licenses, on the other hand, have been shown to prevent crimes, by causing criminals to avoid assaulting people who they fear might be armed.
And you should refrain from the personal insults - they're against forum rules.
dorbie 0
QuoteQuoteCardiac arrest happens every day. More people die of cardiac arrest than any other cause (including, surprise, being a victim of crime). Do you carry a portable defibrillator with you?
Your theory seems to be that since something else is statistically more likely to kill us, therefore, we shouldn't bother to worry about the less probable causes of death.
I'd prefer to say he has his prorities straight. If you get a gun before a defibrilator then you've made a poor choice w.r.t. risk mitigtion, despite all the talk of preparedness. It doesn't carry much weight until someone starts spouting nonsense about how much more prepared they are than the rest of the fearful sheep out there, then it absolutely scuppers that kind of argument. Tote your gun by all means, but when it comes to preparedness the guy who opts for side impact airbags in his vehicle of choice is probably a hundred times better prepared w.r.t. all the risks they face.
billvon 3,120
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>Tote your gun by all means, but when it comes to preparedness the
>guy who opts for side impact airbags in his vehicle of choice is probably a
>hundred times more prepared.
And where's the fun in that?
I think a lot of people carry guns just because they plain like carrying guns. Which is fine. Won't hurt them unless they're stupid, and may help them in rare cases. Sorta like a guy who likes to carry his rig on a commercial flight "just in case."
>guy who opts for side impact airbags in his vehicle of choice is probably a
>hundred times more prepared.
And where's the fun in that?
I think a lot of people carry guns just because they plain like carrying guns. Which is fine. Won't hurt them unless they're stupid, and may help them in rare cases. Sorta like a guy who likes to carry his rig on a commercial flight "just in case."
QuoteThere are all sorts of people. Some people use guns as a substitute for common sense. Some people use guns as a backup for common sense. Some people have neither. Some people have only common sense, and it serves them well.. . .
That's because some fearful people carry guns, and some courageous people do not. The two are neither synonyms nor antonyms.
Same argument applies to AADs.
Back to the topic, though, IMO carrying a gun is much like having a reserve. It's much better to avoid situations where we might need it, but when we need it we really need it bad.
Walt
billvon 3,120
>Back to the topic, though, IMO carrying a gun is much like having a reserve.
I'd grant you that if you were talking about taking that reserve on a commercial flight. Most skydivers need a reserve at least once in their skydiving careers to save their lives; most people do not need a gun at any point to save their lives.
An AAD might be a better example, because most skydivers won't die without one. If the AAD serves only as a backup, it's a good thing overall. If it lets you get on more dangerous skydives, knowing that your AAD will save you if you get hit hard, it hurts you more than it helps you.
I'd grant you that if you were talking about taking that reserve on a commercial flight. Most skydivers need a reserve at least once in their skydiving careers to save their lives; most people do not need a gun at any point to save their lives.
An AAD might be a better example, because most skydivers won't die without one. If the AAD serves only as a backup, it's a good thing overall. If it lets you get on more dangerous skydives, knowing that your AAD will save you if you get hit hard, it hurts you more than it helps you.
Douva 0
QuoteIt doesn't carry much weight until someone starts spouting nonsense about how much more prepared they are than the rest of the fearful sheep out there, then it absolutely scuppers that kind of argument.
I don't recall anybody in this thread saying that.
I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.
QuoteI'm surprised you think that John, it certainly doesn't invalidate the topic discussed.
Still, can you give me some reasons to carry a concealed handgun then?
Can you make your question more clear? Are you asking for reasons to carry a gun or, assuming that we carry guns and asking for reasons carrying them concealed vs. exposed?
The reason to carry is gun is very simple--protection of ourselves, our property, and those who we care about. People who stay out of dangerous environments are not all that likely to be threatened by violent criminals but still, it does happen and it's smart to be prepared. There are plenty of people who don't have much choice about avoiding dangerous situations, though, and they need to be able to defend themselves.
Walt
dorbie 0
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And where's the fun in that?
I think a lot of people carry guns just because they plain like carrying guns. Which is fine. Won't hurt them unless they're stupid, and may help them in rare cases. Sorta like a guy who likes to carry his rig on a commercial flight "just in case."
Yup and good luck to them, but look, I have side impact airbags, I don't go issuing proclamations about the prepared man with airbags vs. the fearful, despite the fact that it's closer to the reality than the self-image of some guy with a CC permit.
As I said tote a gun by all means, issuing statements about preparedness is going to invite some stark commentary.
"I drive quietly with my concealed side impact airbags, exuding the confident assurance of the prepared motorist. Nobody knows I carry, and nobody needs to, it's my business and they'll find out when the time comes. I cruise from intersection to intersection knowing that at any moment I could be t-boned, but I'm not afraid, I'm ready! Those other guys out there, the ones who'll wake up in the ER if they wake up at all, and wish they'd signed for the dealer option. They took the savings then, they thought it could never happen to them....". Sounds better/sillier with some dramatic music fo course.
kallend 2,150
Quote>Tote your gun by all means, but when it comes to preparedness the
>guy who opts for side impact airbags in his vehicle of choice is probably a
>hundred times more prepared.
And where's the fun in that?
I think a lot of people carry guns just because they plain like carrying guns. Which is fine. Won't hurt them unless they're stupid, and may help them in rare cases. Sorta like a guy who likes to carry his rig on a commercial flight "just in case."
Ding ding ding we have a winner!
Trouble is, guys who admit that open themselves up to all the penile inadequacy stuff. Hence they make up the other justifications.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteDing ding ding we have a winner!
Trouble is, guys who admit that open themselves up to all the penile inadequacy stuff. Hence they make up the other justifications.
Ok, I'll admit it. I own guns because it makes me feel incredibly macho! Not just that, but it keeps the dream alive--yeah, you know the dream. The dream that *every* CHL holder has.
[dream_sequence]
Walking out my front door in the morning, I see two thugs assaulting an elderly woman and they are obviously intent on raping and killing her. Suddenly, Clint Eastwood has nothing on me!!! In one swift motion I draw my concealed handgun double tap both bad guys in the chest. "Cool!!!", I think. What better way to start the day than with a couple of kills?!!!
The police show up and shake my hand after telling me that both guys are escaped serial rapists and murderers. After answering some questions, I walk to my car so I can drive to work, when suddenly a slimeball walks up and pulls a knife on me. I waste no time popping him twice in the chest and twice in his face before he hits the ground, already dead.
"Hey, you guys give volume discounts?", I say jokingly to the police, who are still not done with the paperwork on my first two kills of the day. They get a real laugh out of that and say, "Tell ya' what. We'll just pretend we didn't see that one--the guy deserved it for only bringing a knife to a gunfight!"
I like those guys!
A short while later, I'm stopped at a traffic light when a couple of "misguided youth" come up point a gun at me and tell me to get out of the car.
"Please don't hurt me!", I say, playing the part of the compliant victim. Naturally, they let their guard down just long enough for me to blow both of 'em away.
Yeah, this day is starting off right!!!!
[/dream_sequence]
Walt
billvon 3,120
>I drive quietly with my concealed side impact airbags . . .
. . . and look out at all those sheep who drive without them. And to think some people are considering regulating inflation force to reduce injuries! Might as well put up "guaranteed fatality zone" signs so drunks know where to drive around to kill people.
. . . and look out at all those sheep who drive without them. And to think some people are considering regulating inflation force to reduce injuries! Might as well put up "guaranteed fatality zone" signs so drunks know where to drive around to kill people.
AFFI 0
QuoteOk, I'll admit it. I own guns because it makes me feel incredibly macho! Not just that, but it keeps the dream alive--yeah, you know the dream. The dream that *every* CHL holder has.
[dream_sequence]
Walking out my front door in the morning, I see two thugs assaulting an elderly woman and they are obviously intent on raping and killing her. Suddenly, Clint Eastwood has nothing on me!!! In one swift motion I draw my concealed handgun double tap both bad guys in the chest. "Cool!!!", I think. What better way to start the day than with a couple of kills?!!!
The police show up and shake my hand after telling me that both guys are escaped serial rapists and murderers. After answering some questions, I walk to my car so I can drive to work, when suddenly a slimeball walks up and pulls a knife on me. I waste no time popping him twice in the chest and twice in his face before he hits the ground, already dead.
"Hey, you guys give volume discounts?", I say jokingly to the police, who are still not done with the paperwork on my first two kills of the day. They get a real laugh out of that and say, "Tell ya' what. We'll just pretend we didn't see that one--the guy deserved it for only bringing a knife to a gunfight!"
I like those guys!
A short while later, I'm stopped at a traffic light when a couple of "misguided youth" come up point a gun at me and tell me to get out of the car.
"Please don't hurt me!", I say, playing the part of the compliant victim. Naturally, they let their guard down just long enough for me to blow both of 'em away.
Yeah, this day is starting off right!!!!
[/dream_sequence]
Walt
I love you man!
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Cardiac arrest happens every day. More people die of cardiac arrest than any other cause (including, surprise, being a victim of crime). Do you carry a portable defibrillator with you?
I'm in my thirties, 24 BMI, walk 4-5 miles a day, no history of heart disease or Bollivian Marching Powder.
Some of those miles unaviodably run within a few blocks of places you "shouldn't be when it's not light."
What's more likely to save me?
Your theory seems to be that since something else is statistically more likely to kill us, therefore, we shouldn't bother to worry about the less probable causes of death.
Using that philosophy, then it is foolish to wear a seat belt, because it's not likely to ever really be needed, and it's just a waste of time wrestling with it every time we get into or out of a car. Likewise, it's stupid to wear a reserve parachute, since a cardiac arrest is more likely to kill us. That darned reserve parachute is just 10 lbs. of dead weight that we lug around for nothing!
I think the readers here can spot the folly in your argument.
First of all, what's most likely to kill someone varies with the person. For example, a 21-year-old is not likely to die of cardiac arrest. People vary. Circumstances vary. Lifestyles vary.
And just because one item is at the top of the danger list, doesn't mean that we shouldn't be prepared to handle many other dangers that are present in life. Which ones we can do something about depends upon the particular threat, and the cost and trouble of the preparation. We can't all travel with a personal emergency room physician to jump to our assistance in case of a heart attack, or have our own fallout shelter in case of nuclear attack.
But if they ever make a heart defibrillator the size and cost of a cell phone, and as I get older, then yes, I might carry one with me. I have an elderly friend with a pacemaker, who wears a heart monitor on his wrist. His circumstances dictate that. Mine don't, at this stage of my life.
But I also live in the 4th largest city in America, which does have some crime, and carrying a gun is often a prudent measure. Whether you like it or not.
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