matthewcline 0 #51 January 6, 2007 Back on topic. Gen. Casey is replacing the Army Chief of Staff, this may make the possibility of Gen Cody (current Army Vice Chief of Staff) moving to the Chairmen's position in 12 months. Gen Abizaid it was said, in the Army circles, wanted to retire but was appointed, so he stayed. Now he can retire as he wanted (if the rumor was true) but he may be blamed in history for the unfinished mission in Iraq. I feel that would be wrong to do so. The current Army Chief was RECALLED from RETIREMENT, against his wishes, when the then Army Chief was "forced" to retire by the Sec Def's announced plan to replace him 1 year in advance. As for LTG Petreaus, I liked working for him. He was supportive and as far as I could tell went out and got the things I asked for, for my men to succeed (as did my previous boss GEN Cody). He helped develop the plan for Iraq's Army, he even pointed out its need prior to us crossing the border in 2003. If he can't do it I feel it will be a total loss for Us in Iraq. I am willing to give these moves a chance to succeed before I speculate more though. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,076 #52 January 7, 2007 >I'm guessing that's an insinuation that the insurgents are stronger > than ever? Nope. Haven't you been paying attention? This isn't a War against the Insurgents. This is a War on Terror. Terrorism worldwide is up, and we are less safe than ever. These conclusions come from our own governments, not the news. Check out the September NIE and the State Department report for more info. But in any case, the insurgents are getting stronger, as evinced by rising US death tolls. (Unless US troops are blowing themselves to bits with their own IED's, that is.) No one is buying the happy talk about our magnificient victories any more. Which is a good thing - until we can admit to ourselves that what we are doing isn't working, we can't fix it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #53 January 7, 2007 Here you go Bill. This discussion is leading down a road I'm not going on in public. You win. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #54 January 7, 2007 Quote Sooo just where was Lt Bush... did not show up for flight physical.... grounded... awol??? How about you answer for your guys faking military records first? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #55 January 7, 2007 QuoteAs for LTG Petreaus As in former 82 Acting CO? If so, he made a few sport jumps until he was hurt by a low turn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #56 January 7, 2007 How about YOU guys answering for the desertion of his duties.. drug abuse and alcohol abuse that fried the incompetent fucks brain to the point that he believes stupid fantasies that have gotten 3000+ of out kids killed in an exercise in incompetence from the word go... nice that you on the far right celebrate that and will not serve your country when it needs you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #57 January 7, 2007 QuoteAs in former 82 Acting CO? If so, he made a few sport jumps until he was hurt by a low turn. Actually more like a 360+ toggle turn into the ground. Yep...........one in the same. I couldn't believe it when I saw him move after hitting the ground. I thought for sure he would be unconcious if not dead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #58 January 7, 2007 Same guy. He commanded the 82nd as a BG, then the 101st as an MG and as an LTG went back to Iraq to start up the IA training program. Then I think he was the Post commander of Leavenworth and then in SOUTHCOM. One day in his office he told me he had near 1700 jumps (I think that is right) and we kept a gear bag ready for him, but the SEC of the Army said "NO" till he was out of Command. But he did come to a few Demo's and work the crowd with the ground control. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #59 January 7, 2007 nice that you on the far right celebrate that and will not serve your country when it needs you. Quote ????History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #60 January 8, 2007 Hey its endemic of the Neo-Cons and this Administration nearly to a man. So many of the Ubber right seem to be following thier lords and masters example. http://www.nhgazette.com/news/chickenhawks/chickenhawk_headquarters/ Personally I thibnk that those who rattle the sabers so loudly should get up close an personal with said sabers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #61 January 8, 2007 QuoteHow about YOU guys answering for the desertion of his duties Pretty simple since it is up to you to PROVE he is guilty. The best "evidence" so far has been proven to be forged by your type. All you do is make wild speculations and attacks on entire groups of people. According to you anyone that disagrees with you shares the same dream as Hitler. Quotenice that you on the far right celebrate that and will not serve your country when it needs you. I did serve and not in some non-combat MOS. In fact, I am looking right now at a coin I got from Petreaus when he was the acting Commander at Bragg. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #62 January 8, 2007 QuoteActually more like a 360+ toggle turn into the ground. Yep...........one in the same. I couldn't believe it when I saw him move after hitting the ground. He tried to get up twice till we ran out and told him to stay on the ground....Very tough man and a great leader. Also quite funny when he was in Womack hopped up on meds Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #63 January 8, 2007 Same guy that got stitched my an M-249 on a maneuver range and his Vanderbilt Doctor (Doctor Bill Frist, yep one and the same guy as Senator) said he wouldn't run again. The General runs six and a half minute miles last time I tried keeping up with him, and runs as many miles as his schedule will allow, some days he would leave his aide and knock out ten miles while his aide got his schedule ready. He still talks about skydiving and his love of "his" three teams. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #64 January 8, 2007 QuoteAll you do is make wild speculations and attacks on entire groups of people. According to you anyone that disagrees with you shares the same dream as Hitler http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Bush_Hitler.html I guess we will see what your right wing lord and master has in store for us in the next couple years huh. Martial law.. its not just for third world countries any more. Those that do not like the characterizations.. really should not support actions that for all the world appear to be that which they claim is not happening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #65 January 8, 2007 QuoteI guess we will see what your right wing lord and master has in store for us in the next couple years huh. See nothing but hatred, attacks, and unfounded nutjob conspiracy theories. I have no real issue with you having nutjob theories, but your clear attacks on anyone that dares disagree with you is pretty sad. "RePUBICans" "Lord and master" Like I said, it is not your ideas but your consistent attacks on anyone that does not goose step in line with *your* thinking....Ironic as hell when you call them NAZI's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #66 January 8, 2007 QuoteLike I said, it is not your ideas but your consistent attacks on anyone that does not goose step in line with *your* thinking....Ironic as hell when you call them NAZI's. Gee you mean like anyone who dissents with you is Unpatirotic Love the RePUBICAN America or Leave it... yada yada yada.. if you are not with us you are against us.... Nice Try. Your Lord and Master will not even allow anyone at any of his appearances to have a dissenting opinion or they are not allowed in or escorted from the premises... Hell he does not even want a dissenting word spoken by his generals... Again Nice Try at tearing down what is supposed to be discussion in governance Nice of you to call me a nutjob though FUCK if I did that to you I would get banned...,.... I guess General Tommy Franks is a nutjob too... since he is the one who put it out there that Martial Law is coming. The Fascists are going to win if you do not puyll your head out of the sand... and take a stand on supporting our CONSTITUTION instead of the Republican Administration that has decided that it needs to throw it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,076 #67 January 8, 2007 Both of you cut it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piper17 1 #68 January 9, 2007 Actually, US military deaths in Iraq were down slightly in 2006 versus 2005. Unfortunately, the death toll of American service personnel will continue for the foreseeable future - the GWOT is not short-term. It will continue for decades. You can also expect to see more acts of terrorism and civilian deaths in the coming years. The islamofascists aren't going away any time soon and they are not interested in making nice with the Western world. Spain, the UK, France, Bali, the USA (both on our own territory as well as overseas embassies, military facilities, etc) have all been hit to date."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #69 January 9, 2007 George Orwells perpetual war is finally here...Sacrifice your children today for the good of the Administration.... Maybe we can get the Bush Bimbo's into uniform... and patrolling the streets of Baghdad.....nah.. never happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piper17 1 #70 January 9, 2007 There is always a war going on somewhere in the world. There always will be; it's the nature of the beast. As for the Bush girls...let's re-introduce the draft and let every swinging richard serve a couple of years. Good training! Personally, been there, done that! You?"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #71 January 9, 2007 Quote Personally, been there, done that! You? Been there Done that 8 years Active Duty.. SERE Instructor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #72 January 9, 2007 QuoteMaybe we can get the Bush Bimbo's More of the same. You can not help it can you? This right there makes any point you have disapear into thin air. And BTW I never once said you were unpatriotic...Go ahead find an example. QuoteGeorge Orwells perpetual war is finally here People have been saying that since he wrote that book. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #73 January 9, 2007 QuoteMore of the same. You can not help it can you? This right there makes any point you have disapear into thin air. Hey you guys elected a bunch of unpatriotic men to this administration.. that never served their country..Perhaps their children should go to make up for all their sabre rattling cowardly fathers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #74 January 9, 2007 QuoteHey you guys elected The majority elected. Quotea bunch of unpatriotic men to this administration. Your opinion...Other opinions differ. Quotethat never served their country Bush was in the NG. You have provided no proof to any wrong doing. Several other gov leaders have never served either Pelosi, Clinton (Bill and Hillary), Obama, Jefferson never served but he sent troops to fight in the Mediterranean. Monroe never served, James Madison didn't either but he lead the US to war, FDR WW2,....ect. Military service is not required. QuotePerhaps their children should go Then you support the draft? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #75 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteHey you guys elected The majority elected. Quotea bunch of unpatriotic men to this administration. Your opinion...Other opinions differ. Quotethat never served their country Bush was in the NG. You have provided no proof to any wrong doing. Several other gov leaders have never served either Pelosi, Clinton (Bill and Hillary), Obama, Jefferson never served but he sent troops to fight in the Mediterranean. Monroe never served, James Madison didn't either but he lead the US to war, FDR WW2,....ect. Military service is not required. QuotePerhaps their children should go Then you support the draft? Don't be putting things in context. This is about vilifying that motherfucking asshole prez and all those bastard neo-con puppetmasters who determined to take away all of our civil liberties and destroying this country, by whatever means neccesary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 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Amazon 7 #60 January 8, 2007 Hey its endemic of the Neo-Cons and this Administration nearly to a man. So many of the Ubber right seem to be following thier lords and masters example. http://www.nhgazette.com/news/chickenhawks/chickenhawk_headquarters/ Personally I thibnk that those who rattle the sabers so loudly should get up close an personal with said sabers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #61 January 8, 2007 QuoteHow about YOU guys answering for the desertion of his duties Pretty simple since it is up to you to PROVE he is guilty. The best "evidence" so far has been proven to be forged by your type. All you do is make wild speculations and attacks on entire groups of people. According to you anyone that disagrees with you shares the same dream as Hitler. Quotenice that you on the far right celebrate that and will not serve your country when it needs you. I did serve and not in some non-combat MOS. In fact, I am looking right now at a coin I got from Petreaus when he was the acting Commander at Bragg. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #62 January 8, 2007 QuoteActually more like a 360+ toggle turn into the ground. Yep...........one in the same. I couldn't believe it when I saw him move after hitting the ground. He tried to get up twice till we ran out and told him to stay on the ground....Very tough man and a great leader. Also quite funny when he was in Womack hopped up on meds Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #63 January 8, 2007 Same guy that got stitched my an M-249 on a maneuver range and his Vanderbilt Doctor (Doctor Bill Frist, yep one and the same guy as Senator) said he wouldn't run again. The General runs six and a half minute miles last time I tried keeping up with him, and runs as many miles as his schedule will allow, some days he would leave his aide and knock out ten miles while his aide got his schedule ready. He still talks about skydiving and his love of "his" three teams. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #64 January 8, 2007 QuoteAll you do is make wild speculations and attacks on entire groups of people. According to you anyone that disagrees with you shares the same dream as Hitler http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Bush_Hitler.html I guess we will see what your right wing lord and master has in store for us in the next couple years huh. Martial law.. its not just for third world countries any more. Those that do not like the characterizations.. really should not support actions that for all the world appear to be that which they claim is not happening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #65 January 8, 2007 QuoteI guess we will see what your right wing lord and master has in store for us in the next couple years huh. See nothing but hatred, attacks, and unfounded nutjob conspiracy theories. I have no real issue with you having nutjob theories, but your clear attacks on anyone that dares disagree with you is pretty sad. "RePUBICans" "Lord and master" Like I said, it is not your ideas but your consistent attacks on anyone that does not goose step in line with *your* thinking....Ironic as hell when you call them NAZI's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #66 January 8, 2007 QuoteLike I said, it is not your ideas but your consistent attacks on anyone that does not goose step in line with *your* thinking....Ironic as hell when you call them NAZI's. Gee you mean like anyone who dissents with you is Unpatirotic Love the RePUBICAN America or Leave it... yada yada yada.. if you are not with us you are against us.... Nice Try. Your Lord and Master will not even allow anyone at any of his appearances to have a dissenting opinion or they are not allowed in or escorted from the premises... Hell he does not even want a dissenting word spoken by his generals... Again Nice Try at tearing down what is supposed to be discussion in governance Nice of you to call me a nutjob though FUCK if I did that to you I would get banned...,.... I guess General Tommy Franks is a nutjob too... since he is the one who put it out there that Martial Law is coming. The Fascists are going to win if you do not puyll your head out of the sand... and take a stand on supporting our CONSTITUTION instead of the Republican Administration that has decided that it needs to throw it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,076 #67 January 8, 2007 Both of you cut it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #68 January 9, 2007 Actually, US military deaths in Iraq were down slightly in 2006 versus 2005. Unfortunately, the death toll of American service personnel will continue for the foreseeable future - the GWOT is not short-term. It will continue for decades. You can also expect to see more acts of terrorism and civilian deaths in the coming years. The islamofascists aren't going away any time soon and they are not interested in making nice with the Western world. Spain, the UK, France, Bali, the USA (both on our own territory as well as overseas embassies, military facilities, etc) have all been hit to date."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #69 January 9, 2007 George Orwells perpetual war is finally here...Sacrifice your children today for the good of the Administration.... Maybe we can get the Bush Bimbo's into uniform... and patrolling the streets of Baghdad.....nah.. never happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #70 January 9, 2007 There is always a war going on somewhere in the world. There always will be; it's the nature of the beast. As for the Bush girls...let's re-introduce the draft and let every swinging richard serve a couple of years. Good training! Personally, been there, done that! You?"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #71 January 9, 2007 Quote Personally, been there, done that! You? Been there Done that 8 years Active Duty.. SERE Instructor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #72 January 9, 2007 QuoteMaybe we can get the Bush Bimbo's More of the same. You can not help it can you? This right there makes any point you have disapear into thin air. And BTW I never once said you were unpatriotic...Go ahead find an example. QuoteGeorge Orwells perpetual war is finally here People have been saying that since he wrote that book. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #73 January 9, 2007 QuoteMore of the same. You can not help it can you? This right there makes any point you have disapear into thin air. Hey you guys elected a bunch of unpatriotic men to this administration.. that never served their country..Perhaps their children should go to make up for all their sabre rattling cowardly fathers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #74 January 9, 2007 QuoteHey you guys elected The majority elected. Quotea bunch of unpatriotic men to this administration. Your opinion...Other opinions differ. Quotethat never served their country Bush was in the NG. You have provided no proof to any wrong doing. Several other gov leaders have never served either Pelosi, Clinton (Bill and Hillary), Obama, Jefferson never served but he sent troops to fight in the Mediterranean. Monroe never served, James Madison didn't either but he lead the US to war, FDR WW2,....ect. Military service is not required. QuotePerhaps their children should go Then you support the draft? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #75 January 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteHey you guys elected The majority elected. Quotea bunch of unpatriotic men to this administration. Your opinion...Other opinions differ. Quotethat never served their country Bush was in the NG. You have provided no proof to any wrong doing. Several other gov leaders have never served either Pelosi, Clinton (Bill and Hillary), Obama, Jefferson never served but he sent troops to fight in the Mediterranean. Monroe never served, James Madison didn't either but he lead the US to war, FDR WW2,....ect. Military service is not required. QuotePerhaps their children should go Then you support the draft? Don't be putting things in context. This is about vilifying that motherfucking asshole prez and all those bastard neo-con puppetmasters who determined to take away all of our civil liberties and destroying this country, by whatever means neccesary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ratbastardnogoodmotherfuckingsonsofbitcheswhoreshitdamnfuckcuntassholeeeees!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
