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I don't get it . . .

The first version of Saddam's demise is broadcast across America sans sound and it presented a warped view of what really happened.

Then the cell phone vid followed, showing the truth of it, and the powers that be hunt down the fellow that shot it and look to arrest him.

It eludes me . . .

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I don't get it . . .

The first version of Saddam's demise is broadcast across America sans sound and it presented a warped view of what really happened.

Then the cell phone vid followed, showing the truth of it, and the powers that be hunt down the fellow that shot it and look to arrest him.

It eludes me . . .

NickD :)BASE 194



Obviously you weren't around in the '60s.

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I'm glad someone else but me was thinking this, too. The offenders are apparently not the ones who were behaving disgracefully, it's the ones who recorded and distributed it for all the world to see and hear. I'm no lover of Saddam, but those recordings squarely give the lie to the government bullshit that Saddam "had fear in his eyes." Not from what I saw (yeah, I watched it...).

That's it, boys, shoot the messenger. Once again, the real casualty is the truth.

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Never never never trust a government to tell you the truth.



what if Government A tells you that Government B lies a lot - or even if they admit they lie a lot themselves

it's so confusing

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Never never never trust a government to tell you the truth.



what if Government A tells you that Government B lies a lot - or even if they admit they lie a lot themselves

it's so confusing



Even a stopped clock...

But do you TRUST a stopped clock?
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But do you TRUST a stopped clock?



Nope, a stopped clock killed brother in Nam

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The first silent video gave the impression it was more or less a dignified affair (or as dignified as a hanging can be).

The cell phone video, with sound, shows it to be lynch mob . . .

I'm not crying any tears for this guy, but we should be leading by example, and this isn't it . . .

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The first silent video gave the impression it was more or less a dignified affair (or as dignified as a hanging can be).

The cell phone video, with sound, shows it to be lynch mob . . .

I'm not crying any tears for this guy, but we should be leading by example, and this isn't it . . .

NickD :)BASE 194



That would apply, if it had been the US that hanged him.
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That would apply, if it had been the US that hanged him.



lol, another semantics discussion.

Who was holding him?
Who was standing guard outside?
Who provided protection during the court case?
Who'se puppet government is in power?



"Puppet government"... spare me. I guess all the Iraqi people must be great actors... because all the pictures I saw of those people with purple fingers show them smiling...not cowering in fear.

I guess I must not be "nuanced enough", huh?

A few questions for you...

Who's laws was he tried and sentenced under?
Who was the judge?
Who's puppet organizations tried to get his sentence changed?
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>Who's laws was he tried and sentenced under?

Not sure. He was executed in a manner that violated the Iraq government's laws. It would be more accurate to say that he was executed by the Mahdi Army, under the control of Moqtada al-Sadr - those were the people who actually carried out the execution. They're pretty good at it; they've killed lots of americans.

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2007/01/former-saddam-trial-judge-calls.php

>Who was the judge?

There were several; at least one resigned before they found a combination that would do what they wanted done.

I didn't think there was any way the US (and Iraq) could screw up Hussein's trial; how hard is it to convict and execute a tyrant like that? But I misunderestimated.

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That would apply, if it had been the US that hanged him.



lol, another semantics discussion.

Who was holding him?
Who was standing guard outside?
Who provided protection during the court case?
Who'se puppet government is in power?



"Puppet government"... spare me. I guess all the Iraqi people must be great actors... because all the pictures I saw of those people with purple fingers show them smiling...not cowering in fear.

I guess I must not be "nuanced enough", huh?

A few questions for you...

Who's laws was he tried and sentenced under?
Who was the judge?
Who's puppet organizations tried to get his sentence changed?



All the court facilities were designed by the US. The legal services were designed by the US. The laws and procedures were made with US government lawyers as "consultants". The prisoner was in US custody until the last few minutes.

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All the court facilities were designed by the US. The legal services were designed by the US. The laws and procedures were made with US government lawyers as "consultants". The prisoner was in US custody until the last few minutes.
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First off sources??got em??

second off, even CNN reporters disagree with you here.............hell, all major news sources disagree with you as to how valid and fair this trial was.

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
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All the court facilities were designed by the US. The legal services were designed by the US. The laws and procedures were made with US government lawyers as "consultants". The prisoner was in US custody until the last few minutes.

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First off sources??got em??

second off, even CNN reporters disagree with you here.............hell, all major news sources disagree with you as to how valid and fair this trial was.



Who said anything about "fair". At issue is whether the US was involved or not. It was.

The Iraq govt. is a puppet of the US in just the same way as the Polish govt. was a puppet of the USSR until the wall fell.
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All the court facilities were designed by the US. The legal services were designed by the US. The laws and procedures were made with US government lawyers as "consultants". The prisoner was in US custody until the last few minutes.

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First off sources??got em??

second off, even CNN reporters disagree with you here.............hell, all major news sources disagree with you as to how valid and fair this trial was.



Who said anything about "fair". At issue is whether the US was involved or not. It was.

The Iraq govt. is a puppet of the US in just the same way as the Polish govt. was a puppet of the USSR until the wall fell.



Ya, well what ever. I guess if you say it, it must be so.......
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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All the court facilities were designed by the US. The legal services were designed by the US. The laws and procedures were made with US government lawyers as "consultants". The prisoner was in US custody until the last few minutes.

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First off sources??got em??

second off, even CNN reporters disagree with you here.............hell, all major news sources disagree with you as to how valid and fair this trial was.



Who said anything about "fair". At issue is whether the US was involved or not. It was.

The Iraq govt. is a puppet of the US in just the same way as the Polish govt. was a puppet of the USSR until the wall fell.



Ya, well what ever. I guess if you say it, it must be so.......



I do say so. The Iraqi High Tribunal was set up by the US occupation force. The judges were trained by US lawyers. Their country is OCCUPIED by the US Army and Marines.

Quack, waddle...
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All the court facilities were designed by the US. The legal services were designed by the US. The laws and procedures were made with US government lawyers as "consultants". The prisoner was in US custody until the last few minutes.

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First off sources??got em??

second off, even CNN reporters disagree with you here.............hell, all major news sources disagree with you as to how valid and fair this trial was.



Who said anything about "fair". At issue is whether the US was involved or not. It was.

The Iraq govt. is a puppet of the US in just the same way as the Polish govt. was a puppet of the USSR until the wall fell.



Ya, well what ever. I guess if you say it, it must be so.......



I do say so. The Iraqi High Tribunal was set up by the US occupation force. The judges were trained by US lawyers. Their country is OCCUPIED by the US Army and Marines.

Quack, waddle...



I wonder how many people had a similar take on the Marshall Plan in 1947, as well as the efforts of Edwards Deming.

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All the court facilities were designed by the US. The legal services were designed by the US. The laws and procedures were made with US government lawyers as "consultants". The prisoner was in US custody until the last few minutes.

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First off sources??got em??

second off, even CNN reporters disagree with you here.............hell, all major news sources disagree with you as to how valid and fair this trial was.



Who said anything about "fair". At issue is whether the US was involved or not. It was.

The Iraq govt. is a puppet of the US in just the same way as the Polish govt. was a puppet of the USSR until the wall fell.



Ya, well what ever. I guess if you say it, it must be so.......



I do say so. The Iraqi High Tribunal was set up by the US occupation force. The judges were trained by US lawyers. Their country is OCCUPIED by the US Army and Marines.

Quack, waddle...



I wonder how many people had a similar take on the Marshall Plan in 1947, as well as the efforts of Edwards Deming.



No-one was denying the US involvement then, like they are now.
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