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Okay, so we know that you call yourself Christian, and we know that you have turned yourself over to Christ. How do we know that you are not a false prophet? How do we know that the anti-christ has not infected you so as to come through unexpected paths?
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How do we know that you are not a false prophet? How do we know that the anti-christ has not infected you so as to come through unexpected paths?



This is NOT in reference to anyone. Just answering your question with regard to how we are to determine false prophets.

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"If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him."
Deuteronomy 18:22



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Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. You shall know them by their fruits.
Matthew 7:15-16

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I would most strongly advise anyone interested, to check these things out in the Authorized King James Bible, as the modern versions have so many ommissions, alterations, and does not give the true meanings of the scriptures, especially the NIV....which I suggest shoul be called the HIV.



Actually, I think people, if they consider themselves a theologian, should study them in the ORIGINAL language (koine Greek), not a translation, but I digress.


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Steve: Just as Satan entered into the body and mind of Judas Iscariot, he will enter the body and mind of a man in the end times.(Luke22:3 and John 13:27)



Satan did but it was Domitian

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The man of today, is well known in the world. When Paul was writing his letters to the Thessalonians in 54 A.D., he was admonishing the people for waivering in their faith, and in doing so, Paul told them that the Day of the Lord is "at hand"



Paul was writing to the church in Thessalonica and warned them of the man that would punish them for not worshipping him as God. That man was Domtian (emperor 81-96). Towards the end of his reign, which had started with moderation, Domitian revealed a cruel personality. According to several sources, despite some arguments in the academic community, Jews and Christians were heavily persecuted during his reign. Revelation could be viewed as a reaction to the anti-Christian policies of Domitian and some earlier emperors. At the time, Christianity was a struggling religion attempting to find a foothold in the classical world. In addition to persecution, Christians were also facing pressure to conform to the Imperial Cult of Domitian. Although it is unclear that Domitian officially enforced adherence to the cult, scholars generally agree that Roman governors forced citizens to participate in order to prove their loyalty and patriotism. Since Christian doctrine specifically forbids the worship of idols, Christians refused to partake in this Imperial tradition. In the face of adversity many Christians may have been doubting their beliefs and may even have been on the verge of abandoning Christianity all together. In this atmosphere it is conceivable that John of Patmos wrote the Revelation in hopes of inspiring fledgling Christians to persevere. Within the book several symbolic references are made about the Roman Empire and the incumbent Emperor, possibly Domitian. In short, Christians are reminded that their Savior will return to reward those who believe

Paul wasn’t writing to you or me, he was writing to the church he established there. The truths he told them are for all Christians as they apply, but sadly we miss the boat when we assume his words had no meaning for them, but rather it only had real meaning for the western Christians of the KJV only crowd.


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Paul knew it was in the future, but he did not know how far.

However, the number 6 6 6 is a number symbolic of the three periods of time in this world.



Numbers have always have symbolic meaning in OT & NT writing. 7 often meant complete or perfect, 12, the same, 7 You can take 666 to mean anything you want to and unfortunately Christians have been doing so for 2000 years. Most like it meant 6 was the number of man. Domitian was a man, man, man … get it! Not God.

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Paul was telling his people, that as the Day of the Lord is "at hand", they should not allow themselves to be deceived by any man, by any means, and thus fall from their faith in God.



I agree, but that man was Domitian

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Paul then states that certain things much come to pass before the Day of the Lord, and that it will not come, except there will be a falling away of the faith in God first, and the man of Sin, the antichrist, Satan in a man's mind and body, will be revealed.

This is the antichrist, that will exalt himself above all that is called God,



Just as exactly as Domitian did in his imperorial cult

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It is this antichrist, leading the nations against Israel, that will make Jerusalem, a den of dragons, (Chinese dragons) Jeremiah 9:11 and 10:22 )

And then shall that Wicked be revealed to the world, and the Lord will in time, consume him, whose work is coming after Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.

And for those who will be deceived, God will send them a delusion, that they might believe a lie, that the antichrist is God, ( 2 Thess 2:9-11).



Many Christian fell away so they could buy food and not be tortured for not burning incense to Ceasar


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And the Dragon ( China) gave the beast, its power, his seat, and great authority, (Rev 13:2 )



Rome authority did not come from God, but Satan

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The antichrist is the "mouth" (Revelation 13:5, ) that will make war against the saints of God, and he will prevail for a time ( 42 months, 1260 days, or 3 1/2 years )



Three and a half years are symbolic for a time, but not an eternity. Rome persecuted Christians for several hundred years



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So Steve, the antichrist is he whom Paul is speaking of, and that will appear after a falling away from the faith in God. He is the Wicked one, and he is tha one who will make a an idol to the beast that was wounded by the atomic sword, and did live. He is the mouth, that speaks great things against God, and will set himself up as God in Jerusalem..

Bill Cole



We’ll soon see if you are correct, but just as doomsday prophets have all been wrong before, I’m 99.99% certain you will be too.

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Just curious, why have you singled out Domitian as the antichrist figure for promoting his imperial cult?

It was universal among Roman Emperors (beginning around a century earlier when Julius was posthumously deified, making Augustus "Divi Filius") to be thought of and worshipped as divine, and it didn't start with them either. When Alexander the Great ruled the middle east in the 4thC BC he had Oracles proclaiming him as a demi God. It really wasn't anything special for Domitan to say he was a god, really just par for the course.
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Just curious, why have you singled out Domitian as the antichrist figure for promoting his imperial cult?

It was universal among Roman Emperors (beginning around a century earlier when Julius was posthumously deified, making Augustus "Divi Filius") to be thought of and worshipped as divine, and it didn't start with them either. When Alexander the Great ruled the middle east in the 4thC BC he had Oracles proclaiming him as a demi God. It really wasn't anything special for Domitan to say he was a god, really just par for the course.



No, the term "anti-christ" was plural, threfore I don't believe Paul was calling Domitian the ant-christ. However, I do think the "man of lawlessness" in 2 Thess was Domitian.

My studies showed that Domitian was the only emporer that actually thought he was divine.

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Just curious, why have you singled out Domitian as the antichrist figure for promoting his imperial cult?

It was universal among Roman Emperors (beginning around a century earlier when Julius was posthumously deified, making Augustus "Divi Filius") to be thought of and worshipped as divine, and it didn't start with them either. When Alexander the Great ruled the middle east in the 4thC BC he had Oracles proclaiming him as a demi God. It really wasn't anything special for Domitan to say he was a god, really just par for the course.



No, the term "anti-christ" was plural, threfore I don't believe Paul was calling Domitian the ant-christ. However, I do think the "man of lawlessness" in 2 Thess was Domitian.

My studies showed that Domitian was the only emporer that actually thought he was divine.



Sorry, I meant to say an anti-christ.

Domitian the only one? Possible. For sure many of them used the cults as a political tool, but then again some of them were also certifiably insane.;)
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I guess the main reason I believe Paul's "man of lawlessness" was Domitian is because I believe the biblical writer writes to his present generation. I'd give 2 Thessalonians a later date than Chuteless did (54 AD) I think he wrote around the time of Domitian's reign and was warning the church about turning away because of his (Domitian's) persecution of the church.

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I can assure you, I am not a p[rophet, but a Bible searcher and researcher, and I am telling you only what the Lord has revealed to me, and everything I can tell you is corroberated in sevberal ways.

A prophet will tell you what he/she dreams about, and explains things that are not written inthe Bible at the time he tells them.

For example, the prophets Ezekiel and Daniel, both prophesied through direction of the Holy Spirit, and wrote their prophecies down,which later became the WORD of God.

I simply explain what the Lord has shown me with diligent research, and the help of the Holy Spirit in Spiritually understanding what is written.

Big Differences, there.

Bill




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The antichrist is born a man as like you and I. However, he is an evil man, and at a certain time, Satan will take over his mind and biody, and then the world will know who he is by his actions, which are all spelled out in God's WORD.



Man, eh? I guess it's not Hillary Clinton, then.
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Steve: You amaze me. In some postings, you show a certain knowledge of God's WORD, and then in others, you go off on a tangent in ways never meant to be by the Holy Spirit.

Satan was Satan, and not this Emporer Domitian although Domitian mayhave had some Satanic influence in his rule., like Hitler had..

There is no need to research back to the greek or any other writings. Everything you need is in the King James, which is the definitive WORD of Almighty God in the English language. God directed HIS WORD through the centuries so it would eventually ( 1607-1611) become HIS WORD, without error or a single mistake.

Mankind isn't willing to accept Hisperfect WORD, because man thinks they are smarter than God, and thinks they are more clever enough to see something Almighty God missed.

He is a perfect God, and HE would direct and write nothing less than a perfect Book.

His creation also is perfect, and that includes Hid WORD, both the living WORD (CHRIST) and the written WORD, The King James Bible.

Paul wrote his letters to the thessalonians in 54 AD, and would not have been aware that Domitian would become emporer in 81 A.D.

Paul was writing his letters for those who live in the end times, that his people would not/should not be deceived my any means. His scriptures were not at any time solely confined to the days in which he lived, otherwise the WORD of God, the Bible, would be meaningless in the time of the end.

Paul was directed by the Holy Spirit, to write that in the end times, these things would take place. Daniel also wrote about the antichrist, and so did several other. Although Paul's letters may have ben written in 54 A.D., the Bible, not being published for the good of mankind until 1611, only verifies the need to have those letters included for the end times, when the antichrist will exist.

Surely you must be able to recognize that all of their writings, sometimes done years apart, were directed to the time in which WE live, and thus making the scriptures a complete description of all that will take place in these times.

George W Bush is also mentioned, as is Osama Bin Laden, as is nations like France, England, Russia, China, North Korea, and others, who were not even named in the days when the prophets wrote about them. Thus they were directed by God to use metaphors to name these people and nations, metaphors that could be easily understood in the end times.


The number 666, can be used to define certain things found in history ( not Bible history, but world history), but it is representative of the three periods oof time this world has.

1 from Adam to the flood

2 from the flood to Christ

3 from the birth of Jesus unto the end.

Revelation 13:18, says : "Here is wisdom, let him that hath (spiritual) understanding count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man (mankind) and his number is three hundred threescore and six"

There are three things required to Spiritually understand this verse.

1 a requirement of Spiritual WISDOM

2 we are told to count the number

3 we are told the number is 666.

The FULLNESS of 6, is 6 x 6, which is 6 squared ==== 36.

If you add all the numbers from 1 to 36, the total is 6 6 6.

It is the number of mankind, set in three periods of time, each 6 representing one third of the time MANKIND is given by God to be on this earth, living in sin.

The fact that the sum total is the first 36 numbers is 6 6 6, is to allow one to spiritually understand ( as opposed to worldly understanding) that they have indeed found the means to count, and confirm, that the three sixes are the three periods of time as stated.

Now your post goes back to Domitian again. Paul was writing for the scriptures that would benefit all mankind until the end of this world, NOT just for the few people in his church. He was talking of the antichrist in the last days, which may or may not have been used as a guide in their own time for some future emporer. God was directing him to write for the good of all mankind, especially in these last days.


You will see very soon, that the antichrist will be revealed to the world. I am somewhat hesitant about naming him, but I most certainly do know his name, and where he is, as does most people in the world.

It took me a long time, reasearching many people, but one day, I read something written more tha 100 years ago, before the world became as it is today, new nations,new people involved, new changes, new technology, and I realize that as I had been looking outside the WORD of God, I could not find his name, but when I again searched the scriptures, THERE IS WAS right in front of me allthe time.

WOW, was I surprised.

Anyhow, you will know him by his actions .....within a couple more years.

take care, God bless

Bill




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You will see very soon, that the antichrist will be revealed to the world. I am somewhat hesitant about naming him, but I most certainly do know his name, and where he is, as does most people in the world.

It took me a long time, reasearching many people, but one day, I read something written more tha 100 years ago, before the world became as it is today, new nations,new people involved, new changes, new technology, and I realize that as I had been looking outside the WORD of God, I could not find his name, but when I again searched the scriptures, THERE IS WAS right in front of me allthe time.

WOW, was I surprised.

Anyhow, you will know him by his actions .....within a couple more years.

take care, God bless

Bill




SO WHO IS IT THEN!!!???

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ALL of the endless list of Roman emperers thought they were gods, not just one.

Kaligula was one of the worst.

There are several mentions in God's WORD, that say, there are many antichrists (PLURAL) in the world now.

Anyone who denies God, and that JesusChrist is the Son of God, is an antichrist, and that is many many people. You don't have to hold the status of the leader of a nation to be antichrist...although many are.

The antichrist (singular) of the end time, is the "MOUTH" read fo in Daniel 7:25, and Revelation 13:5.

It is he that will be taken over by Satan, exactly asas Judas Escariot, but the man of sin in these is just as evil right now, and in about four years, you will know him.

Figure it out for yourselves.


Bill Cole




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Steve: Paul had no way of kjnowing abouit some unimportant and faceless Emporer to come about 30 years later, that he was going to be Satan in a man. Paul DID write his 2 letters to Thessalonians in 54 A.D., and would not have know anything about Domitian, except maybe he was a little baby at that time.

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Everything you need is in the King James, which is the definitive WORD of Almighty God in the English language, without error or a single mistake.

He is a perfect God, and HE would direct and write nothing less than a perfect Book.



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I am curious, you are knowledgeable and this is a sincere inquiry...

Is the Koran, Torah or are there other religious books that could have possibly been directed by God?

Reason I am asking is that I have met other seemingly intelligent individuals from different religious beliefs who accept as true that the doctrines they subscribe to as being inspired by God were, well, as you said – “He is a perfect God, and HE would direct and write nothing less than a perfect Book.”

They believe it about the texts they subscribe as much as you seem to, they seem to be good people and true to their belief systems. I only started seriously reading the Bible a few years back and there is a lot I don’t really understand (trying to get a grasp of it) – but is it possible that God, being all powerful and knowledgeable that he would have been able to figure the nature of mankind and knew we would divide into tribes and all that stuff that he might have sent his message in different formats in order to spread his message to the varying cultures and religions throughout the ages of mankind?

There just seems to be (in my limited understanding) many similarities between different belief systems.

I guess I do not understand why there is so much division and why many seem to believe that the notions they subscribe to are the correct ones and everyone outside of their box is incorrect. They seem to believe it so sincerely that they will hold on to their beliefs to the end.

I do feel, ummm, silly in a sense that I am sitting here trying to figure out and understand a being whose existence, power and knowledge is incomprehensible to me.
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Steve: Paul had no way of kjnowing abouit some unimportant and faceless Emporer to come about 30 years later, that he was going to be Satan in a man. Paul DID write his 2 letters to Thessalonians in 54 A.D., and would not have know anything about Domitian, except maybe he was a little baby at that time



He couldn't know about an emporer a few years later but could know about a man 2000 years later. Now that is good logic! :D

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There is no need to research back to the greek or any other writings. Everything you need is in the King James, which is the definitive WORD of Almighty God in the English language. God directed HIS WORD through the centuries so it would eventually ( 1607-1611) become HIS WORD, without error or a single mistake.



That says all I need to know about your biblical knowledge. Sorry to bother you and encourage you to post again. :S

steveOrino

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Nice to see someone interested in such an enquiry.

The KingJames Bible was written by 41 writers over a 1500 year period. Most of them never met each other, and they were ignorant of what would happen to their writings when they had finished them.

In 1611 AD, King James of England, was directed by God, to bring these writings together, in the authorized edition of God's WORD, the King James Bible.

Jesus Christ is the Living WORD,

Jesus was born and testified of God, saying, I and my Father are one.

The Lord our God is ONE God, and His name ONE.

While Jesus witnessed of the Father, all the power Jesus had came from the Father God.

He said, marvel not that I say unto you, Ye MUST be born again. Except a man be born again he CANNOT see the kingdom of God.

Jesus was 33 yrs old when he was crucified, and he was buried in a tomb, guarded by soldiers.

They were paid by the Jews of the day who had wanted Jesus to be crucified, to say that the body was stolen while the guards slep.

If they were sleeping, how did they know who stole the body???

Anyhow, Jesus was ressurected, and was seen by hundreds, some of whom he ate food with. A dead man cannot eat food.


Thomas doubted that Jesuswas alive, but was convinced it WAS the Saviopur, when Thomas stuck his hand into the spear wound, and saw the nail holes in His hands and feet.

Others watched asJesus ascended up into Heaven, and they were told by the angel, as He ascended, so shall he return.

The Torah, is the first five books of the same Bible, but written in Hebrew.That is the authority of te Jews religion. They also accepot some of the writings of the later prophets such as Isaiah,Ezekiel, Daniel, Jeremniah, Zechariah and so on.

The Koran (Quaran) is the false manifesto of the murderer Mohammed, who beheaded more tha 800 Jews in his early days. This is a pagan religion, and if anyone would consider that God is good, even a little bit, then how could they condone the brutal murderers who use the False Prophet Mohammed as their inspiration?
Everything about this religion, and that of the Sihks, the Buddists, the Shintoists, and so on , be counted worth anything. They founders of these false religions, including Mohammed, died and were buried, and are still rotting in their graves.

Jesus is alive, and will return, in the not to distant future.

many people are not satisfied with what God has given them, His beloved Son, who died for the sins of the world. They are seeking a back door into heaven, a left open window, some other road, and it will never be there for them.

Christ is the way, the truth and the life ( everlasting) and He is the only way to Heaven. Accept Him as your Saviour, andyou then will belong to Him forever. All past, present and future sins are to be forgiven.

Zondervan Publishing Company has published many other versions of the Bible, but they are perversions. They have ommitted, altered, or added to, the WORDS of God, an it all in the nameof making money.

Thy have even published a bible for homosexuals, what an abomination that is. SELL, SELL, SEll, get rich....that is the name of the Bible publishers today.
It matters not to Zonbdervan if you get saved as long asa he gets rich.


Read what God says in Revelation 22:18-19 to those who would revise and alter His Divine WORD.

Best wishes for your continued search.

Everything can be found in the Authorized King James version...not the revised version.

Bill Cole




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