kallend 2,182 #1 January 1, 2007 JANUARY 2006: "What the American people will see during the weeks ahead is a political process unfold; that people will be making decisions not based upon who has got the biggest gun, but who has got the capacity to rally the will of the people. And that's positive. "The second part of our strategy…for victory, is to train the Iraqis so they can take the fight against the few who would stop the progress of many. The Iraqis were in the lead on election day. In other words, they were responsible for the security of the elections. We were in a position to help them, but they were responsible for securing the voting booths. And they did a fine job. The number of attacks during the election were down dramatically. They performed. And that's part of our calibrating whether or not the Iraqi troops are becoming more capable. "Numbers are one thing, but the ability to perform is another. And during these elections, the Iraqi troops showed our commanders on the ground and showed the American people that they're becoming more and more capable of performing their duty to provide security to the Iraqi people. "There will still be violence. And there will still be some who believe that they can affect the political outcome of Iraq through violent means. We understand that. And we're going to stay on the offense against these - "we" being coalition forces, as well as the Iraqi forces "So in 2006, the mission is to continue to hand over more and more territory and more and more responsibility to Iraqi forces. A year ago there was only a handful of Iraqi army and police battalions ready for combat, ready to take the lead; today, there are more than 125 Iraqi combat battalions fighting the enemy, and 50 of those are in the lead. That's progress. And it's important progress, and it's an important part of our strategy to win in Iraq. "And as these forces become more battle-hardened and take the lead, we're going to see continued confidence in the Iraqi people of the Iraqis being able to defend themselves, and that's important. And as we see more of these Iraqi forces in the lead, we'll be able to continue with our desire, our stated strategy that says as Iraqis stand up, we'll stand down. '' December 31, 2006 3,000th American fatality in Iraq.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #2 January 1, 2007 December 2006: 106 death US troops. The month with most fatalities of the year. Mission accomplished? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #3 January 1, 2007 Maybe you should rejoice! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #4 January 1, 2007 Rejoice on what? Sounds a bit weird your post, yes? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #5 January 1, 2007 Quote Rejoice on what? Sounds a bit weird your post, yes? He hasn't yet got over "If you're not with us you're against us".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #6 January 1, 2007 QuoteMaybe you should rejoice! Maybe you should come over to our side and see the truth. Iraq is a total failure and was bound to be by design. 3000 Americans have died for nothing. 500,000 Iraqi men, women and children have died for nothing. Their country has been utterly destroyed. Saddam has been taken out of power and hanged by his ememies - new regime, same as the old regime. Expect a wave of hangings and torture in this "new young democracy". I suspect that the new regime will be every bit as ruthless and brutal and even more than Saddam ever was. The elections were a joke. Now that the new killers are in power, they will kill anyone who would hope to remove them. By the end of 2007, Iraq will be no closer to being a civilized country than it was at the end of 2006. I hate to think of what the new death toll will be on December 31, 2007. So, come on over and see what is real. Realize that this war is not about WMD's, Iraqi liberation, protecting America or anything at all about freedom. It is all about the delusional aspirations of a lifetime loser, George W. Bush. Get onboard and speakout against the crimes of the Bush administration. Speak out against war, poverty, disease, famine, genocide and everything else that ails our planet. Or, maybe you would rather sit and watch as the toll creeps up to 4000 dead Americans and 1 million Iraqis. At what point will you realize that GWB is just another Charlie Manson in a suit?"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #7 January 1, 2007 3000 Americans have died for nothingQuote I'm not going to get into an argument about Iraq, I just wanted to comment on this part of your statement. Whether the action they are killed in is "the good war" or not, no soldier who dies in combat dies for nothing. Whether you support the cause or not, these men and women were still out there fighting for someone, their teammates, the guy standing next to them, the one who gets to go home to their family because one of their brothers in arms took the bullet for them. I don't care if we are fighting a popular war or one that everyone chooses to protest, when soldiers step onto the battlefield they fight for something.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rebecca 0 #8 January 1, 2007 That was nicely put. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #9 January 1, 2007 Quote3000 Americans have died for nothingQuote I'm not going to get into an argument about Iraq, I just wanted to comment on this part of your statement. Whether the action they are killed in is "the good war" or not, no soldier who dies in combat dies for nothing. Whether you support the cause or not, these men and women were still out there fighting for someone, their teammates, the guy standing next to them, the one who gets to go home to their family because one of their brothers in arms took the bullet for them. I don't care if we are fighting a popular war or one that everyone chooses to protest, when soldiers step onto the battlefield they fight for something. My statement is in reference to the "reason" - WMD's, protecting America from Saddam attacking us, liberating the oppressed Iraqi people and last but not least "freedom". In this regard they are dying for nothing. Quotewhen soldiers step onto the battlefield they fight for something You fight to stay alive. The initial reason means very little when someone is trying to kill you. Especialy when the reason was a bold face lie."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #10 January 1, 2007 You fight to stay alive. The initial reason means very little when someone is trying to kill you. Especialy when the reason was a bold face lie. Quote Like I said before, NO SOLDIER DIES FOR NOTHING, I don't give a fuck if you like the war or not, that is your choice and you have very right to feel the way you do about it. But whether you support the war or not, when someone is on the battlefield they are fighting to protect their teammates, they are fighting for the men and women next to them, and when you make the ultimate sacrifice you did so that those who stood next to you wouldn't have to, whether I agree with the reason I have spent a good deal of my life in combat or not I have something to fight for when I'm out there, I'm there for the guys I see every morning when I go into work, the ones that go home every night to a wife and kid, the ones that invite me over to their place to spend xmas with their family because I live alone, I fight for them and when this war finally catches up with me I didn't die for nothing, I gave it all for my friends.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #11 January 1, 2007 QuoteYou fight to stay alive. The initial reason means very little when someone is trying to kill you. Especialy when the reason was a bold face lie. Quote Like I said before, NO SOLDIER DIES FOR NOTHING, I don't give a fuck if you like the war or not, that is your choice and you have very right to feel the way you do about it. But whether you support the war or not, when someone is on the battlefield they are fighting to protect their teammates, they are fighting for the men and women next to them, and when you make the ultimate sacrifice you did so that those who stood next to you wouldn't have to, whether I agree with the reason I have spent a good deal of my life in combat or not I have something to fight for when I'm out there, I'm there for the guys I see every morning when I go into work, the ones that go home every night to a wife and kid, the ones that invite me over to their place to spend xmas with their family because I live alone, I fight for them and when this war finally catches up with me I didn't die for nothing, I gave it all for my friends. Like I said, my statement is in reference to the initial reason for starting a war against a country that did nothing to harm the U.S.. Either you are not reading my post right or you may just have a problem with comprehending what I posted. Now, tell me how having an IED blow shrapnel through your rib cage is dying for something. I was lucky enough to be in the Gulf during the Iran/Iraq war. Our aircraft supplied support and Iranian troop movements to the Iraqis. We had a Cobra gunship lose control during landing on the flight deck after returning early in the morning. It was still dark. It caught fire and the only way to protect the ship from such a fire, a class D fire and in this case it was magnesium, was to push it over the side with the pilots still in it. Not sure if they were still alive when we shoved it into the drink. Knowing part of the reason we were there in the first place, I thought "what a waste". Those two guys died for nothing. Had we not pushed it, the rockets on board the Cobra would had most likely had fired causing more death. That and also a burning helicopter would had caused major damage to the flight deck, being that the Cobra contians alot of magnesium and is impossible to extinguish. Magnesium creates it's own oxygen. Regardless if they were still alive, they had to be pushed in. No way at all to get them out. Chances are they died during the initial impact. To tell the truth, I felt useless when all that we could do was put up a cooling screen of water to get close enough to shove it. I have no idea what the reason for their death is. Maybe there is a reason and I am just not grasping it. Either way, it's just not right when we should not had been there in the first place. In no way am I saying that men and women in the millitary die for absolutely nothing. To die protecting your brothers and sisters without regret is the highest act of bravery regardless if it is in war, fighting a fire or protecting your family or any other reason. To die in a helicopter slamming a flight deck or sitting in an Humvee hit by an IED does not seem right and it is hard to find a good reason for such a death. But then, death needs no reason."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #12 January 2, 2007 To die protecting your brothers and sisters without regret is the highest act of bravery regardless if it is in war,*** That's all I was trying to say too, I'm sorry I misunderstood what you were trying to get across to me. I do however still disagree that someone getting killed in an IED blast isn't dying for something, the way I see it is that you are doing your job, and if you get killed doing it then it's honorable. What I see as a pointless death is when a rocket lands in the Green Zone and all the officers who spend their entire tour working in the embassy and never once leave the gate run over to the impact site to get pictures so they can show them off and look like a badass cause they were in a rocket attack and then a few seconds later another one comes in and takes them out.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #13 January 2, 2007 QuoteI do however still disagree that someone getting killed in an IED blast isn't dying for something, the way I see it is that you are doing your job, and if you get killed doing it then it's honorable. I am backing up and agreeing with you on this. Best of luck to you and everyone else who is in Iraq."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #14 January 2, 2007 I am backing up and agreeing with you on this. Quote No worries, I just have my own way of looking at things QuoteBest of luck to you and everyone else who is in Iraq. Thanks but when you look this good you don't need luck, oh wait.....we're talking about Iraq, my badHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #15 January 3, 2007 QuoteYou fight to stay alive. The initial reason means very little when someone is trying to kill you. Some people fight for others, not just to "stay alive". Many people aren't that self centered. I hope you meet some someday. Edit: Nevermind, I see you changed that tune. I posted before reading the rest ... 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Rebecca 0 #8 January 1, 2007 That was nicely put. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #9 January 1, 2007 Quote3000 Americans have died for nothingQuote I'm not going to get into an argument about Iraq, I just wanted to comment on this part of your statement. Whether the action they are killed in is "the good war" or not, no soldier who dies in combat dies for nothing. Whether you support the cause or not, these men and women were still out there fighting for someone, their teammates, the guy standing next to them, the one who gets to go home to their family because one of their brothers in arms took the bullet for them. I don't care if we are fighting a popular war or one that everyone chooses to protest, when soldiers step onto the battlefield they fight for something. My statement is in reference to the "reason" - WMD's, protecting America from Saddam attacking us, liberating the oppressed Iraqi people and last but not least "freedom". In this regard they are dying for nothing. Quotewhen soldiers step onto the battlefield they fight for something You fight to stay alive. The initial reason means very little when someone is trying to kill you. Especialy when the reason was a bold face lie."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #10 January 1, 2007 You fight to stay alive. The initial reason means very little when someone is trying to kill you. Especialy when the reason was a bold face lie. Quote Like I said before, NO SOLDIER DIES FOR NOTHING, I don't give a fuck if you like the war or not, that is your choice and you have very right to feel the way you do about it. But whether you support the war or not, when someone is on the battlefield they are fighting to protect their teammates, they are fighting for the men and women next to them, and when you make the ultimate sacrifice you did so that those who stood next to you wouldn't have to, whether I agree with the reason I have spent a good deal of my life in combat or not I have something to fight for when I'm out there, I'm there for the guys I see every morning when I go into work, the ones that go home every night to a wife and kid, the ones that invite me over to their place to spend xmas with their family because I live alone, I fight for them and when this war finally catches up with me I didn't die for nothing, I gave it all for my friends.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #11 January 1, 2007 QuoteYou fight to stay alive. The initial reason means very little when someone is trying to kill you. Especialy when the reason was a bold face lie. Quote Like I said before, NO SOLDIER DIES FOR NOTHING, I don't give a fuck if you like the war or not, that is your choice and you have very right to feel the way you do about it. But whether you support the war or not, when someone is on the battlefield they are fighting to protect their teammates, they are fighting for the men and women next to them, and when you make the ultimate sacrifice you did so that those who stood next to you wouldn't have to, whether I agree with the reason I have spent a good deal of my life in combat or not I have something to fight for when I'm out there, I'm there for the guys I see every morning when I go into work, the ones that go home every night to a wife and kid, the ones that invite me over to their place to spend xmas with their family because I live alone, I fight for them and when this war finally catches up with me I didn't die for nothing, I gave it all for my friends. Like I said, my statement is in reference to the initial reason for starting a war against a country that did nothing to harm the U.S.. Either you are not reading my post right or you may just have a problem with comprehending what I posted. Now, tell me how having an IED blow shrapnel through your rib cage is dying for something. I was lucky enough to be in the Gulf during the Iran/Iraq war. Our aircraft supplied support and Iranian troop movements to the Iraqis. We had a Cobra gunship lose control during landing on the flight deck after returning early in the morning. It was still dark. It caught fire and the only way to protect the ship from such a fire, a class D fire and in this case it was magnesium, was to push it over the side with the pilots still in it. Not sure if they were still alive when we shoved it into the drink. Knowing part of the reason we were there in the first place, I thought "what a waste". Those two guys died for nothing. Had we not pushed it, the rockets on board the Cobra would had most likely had fired causing more death. That and also a burning helicopter would had caused major damage to the flight deck, being that the Cobra contians alot of magnesium and is impossible to extinguish. Magnesium creates it's own oxygen. Regardless if they were still alive, they had to be pushed in. No way at all to get them out. Chances are they died during the initial impact. To tell the truth, I felt useless when all that we could do was put up a cooling screen of water to get close enough to shove it. I have no idea what the reason for their death is. Maybe there is a reason and I am just not grasping it. Either way, it's just not right when we should not had been there in the first place. In no way am I saying that men and women in the millitary die for absolutely nothing. To die protecting your brothers and sisters without regret is the highest act of bravery regardless if it is in war, fighting a fire or protecting your family or any other reason. To die in a helicopter slamming a flight deck or sitting in an Humvee hit by an IED does not seem right and it is hard to find a good reason for such a death. But then, death needs no reason."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #12 January 2, 2007 To die protecting your brothers and sisters without regret is the highest act of bravery regardless if it is in war,*** That's all I was trying to say too, I'm sorry I misunderstood what you were trying to get across to me. I do however still disagree that someone getting killed in an IED blast isn't dying for something, the way I see it is that you are doing your job, and if you get killed doing it then it's honorable. What I see as a pointless death is when a rocket lands in the Green Zone and all the officers who spend their entire tour working in the embassy and never once leave the gate run over to the impact site to get pictures so they can show them off and look like a badass cause they were in a rocket attack and then a few seconds later another one comes in and takes them out.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #13 January 2, 2007 QuoteI do however still disagree that someone getting killed in an IED blast isn't dying for something, the way I see it is that you are doing your job, and if you get killed doing it then it's honorable. I am backing up and agreeing with you on this. Best of luck to you and everyone else who is in Iraq."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #14 January 2, 2007 I am backing up and agreeing with you on this. Quote No worries, I just have my own way of looking at things QuoteBest of luck to you and everyone else who is in Iraq. Thanks but when you look this good you don't need luck, oh wait.....we're talking about Iraq, my badHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #15 January 3, 2007 QuoteYou fight to stay alive. The initial reason means very little when someone is trying to kill you. Some people fight for others, not just to "stay alive". Many people aren't that self centered. I hope you meet some someday. Edit: Nevermind, I see you changed that tune. I posted before reading the rest ... 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GQ_jumper 4 #10 January 1, 2007 You fight to stay alive. The initial reason means very little when someone is trying to kill you. Especialy when the reason was a bold face lie. Quote Like I said before, NO SOLDIER DIES FOR NOTHING, I don't give a fuck if you like the war or not, that is your choice and you have very right to feel the way you do about it. But whether you support the war or not, when someone is on the battlefield they are fighting to protect their teammates, they are fighting for the men and women next to them, and when you make the ultimate sacrifice you did so that those who stood next to you wouldn't have to, whether I agree with the reason I have spent a good deal of my life in combat or not I have something to fight for when I'm out there, I'm there for the guys I see every morning when I go into work, the ones that go home every night to a wife and kid, the ones that invite me over to their place to spend xmas with their family because I live alone, I fight for them and when this war finally catches up with me I didn't die for nothing, I gave it all for my friends.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #11 January 1, 2007 QuoteYou fight to stay alive. The initial reason means very little when someone is trying to kill you. Especialy when the reason was a bold face lie. Quote Like I said before, NO SOLDIER DIES FOR NOTHING, I don't give a fuck if you like the war or not, that is your choice and you have very right to feel the way you do about it. But whether you support the war or not, when someone is on the battlefield they are fighting to protect their teammates, they are fighting for the men and women next to them, and when you make the ultimate sacrifice you did so that those who stood next to you wouldn't have to, whether I agree with the reason I have spent a good deal of my life in combat or not I have something to fight for when I'm out there, I'm there for the guys I see every morning when I go into work, the ones that go home every night to a wife and kid, the ones that invite me over to their place to spend xmas with their family because I live alone, I fight for them and when this war finally catches up with me I didn't die for nothing, I gave it all for my friends. Like I said, my statement is in reference to the initial reason for starting a war against a country that did nothing to harm the U.S.. Either you are not reading my post right or you may just have a problem with comprehending what I posted. Now, tell me how having an IED blow shrapnel through your rib cage is dying for something. I was lucky enough to be in the Gulf during the Iran/Iraq war. Our aircraft supplied support and Iranian troop movements to the Iraqis. We had a Cobra gunship lose control during landing on the flight deck after returning early in the morning. It was still dark. It caught fire and the only way to protect the ship from such a fire, a class D fire and in this case it was magnesium, was to push it over the side with the pilots still in it. Not sure if they were still alive when we shoved it into the drink. Knowing part of the reason we were there in the first place, I thought "what a waste". Those two guys died for nothing. Had we not pushed it, the rockets on board the Cobra would had most likely had fired causing more death. That and also a burning helicopter would had caused major damage to the flight deck, being that the Cobra contians alot of magnesium and is impossible to extinguish. Magnesium creates it's own oxygen. Regardless if they were still alive, they had to be pushed in. No way at all to get them out. Chances are they died during the initial impact. To tell the truth, I felt useless when all that we could do was put up a cooling screen of water to get close enough to shove it. I have no idea what the reason for their death is. Maybe there is a reason and I am just not grasping it. Either way, it's just not right when we should not had been there in the first place. In no way am I saying that men and women in the millitary die for absolutely nothing. To die protecting your brothers and sisters without regret is the highest act of bravery regardless if it is in war, fighting a fire or protecting your family or any other reason. To die in a helicopter slamming a flight deck or sitting in an Humvee hit by an IED does not seem right and it is hard to find a good reason for such a death. But then, death needs no reason."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #12 January 2, 2007 To die protecting your brothers and sisters without regret is the highest act of bravery regardless if it is in war,*** That's all I was trying to say too, I'm sorry I misunderstood what you were trying to get across to me. I do however still disagree that someone getting killed in an IED blast isn't dying for something, the way I see it is that you are doing your job, and if you get killed doing it then it's honorable. What I see as a pointless death is when a rocket lands in the Green Zone and all the officers who spend their entire tour working in the embassy and never once leave the gate run over to the impact site to get pictures so they can show them off and look like a badass cause they were in a rocket attack and then a few seconds later another one comes in and takes them out.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #13 January 2, 2007 QuoteI do however still disagree that someone getting killed in an IED blast isn't dying for something, the way I see it is that you are doing your job, and if you get killed doing it then it's honorable. I am backing up and agreeing with you on this. Best of luck to you and everyone else who is in Iraq."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #14 January 2, 2007 I am backing up and agreeing with you on this. Quote No worries, I just have my own way of looking at things QuoteBest of luck to you and everyone else who is in Iraq. Thanks but when you look this good you don't need luck, oh wait.....we're talking about Iraq, my badHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #15 January 3, 2007 QuoteYou fight to stay alive. The initial reason means very little when someone is trying to kill you. Some people fight for others, not just to "stay alive". Many people aren't that self centered. I hope you meet some someday. Edit: Nevermind, I see you changed that tune. I posted before reading the rest ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites greybeard 0 #16 January 4, 2007 good on all of you. (kinda like the picture of self frag too.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
freethefly 6 #11 January 1, 2007 QuoteYou fight to stay alive. The initial reason means very little when someone is trying to kill you. Especialy when the reason was a bold face lie. Quote Like I said before, NO SOLDIER DIES FOR NOTHING, I don't give a fuck if you like the war or not, that is your choice and you have very right to feel the way you do about it. But whether you support the war or not, when someone is on the battlefield they are fighting to protect their teammates, they are fighting for the men and women next to them, and when you make the ultimate sacrifice you did so that those who stood next to you wouldn't have to, whether I agree with the reason I have spent a good deal of my life in combat or not I have something to fight for when I'm out there, I'm there for the guys I see every morning when I go into work, the ones that go home every night to a wife and kid, the ones that invite me over to their place to spend xmas with their family because I live alone, I fight for them and when this war finally catches up with me I didn't die for nothing, I gave it all for my friends. Like I said, my statement is in reference to the initial reason for starting a war against a country that did nothing to harm the U.S.. Either you are not reading my post right or you may just have a problem with comprehending what I posted. Now, tell me how having an IED blow shrapnel through your rib cage is dying for something. I was lucky enough to be in the Gulf during the Iran/Iraq war. Our aircraft supplied support and Iranian troop movements to the Iraqis. We had a Cobra gunship lose control during landing on the flight deck after returning early in the morning. It was still dark. It caught fire and the only way to protect the ship from such a fire, a class D fire and in this case it was magnesium, was to push it over the side with the pilots still in it. Not sure if they were still alive when we shoved it into the drink. Knowing part of the reason we were there in the first place, I thought "what a waste". Those two guys died for nothing. Had we not pushed it, the rockets on board the Cobra would had most likely had fired causing more death. That and also a burning helicopter would had caused major damage to the flight deck, being that the Cobra contians alot of magnesium and is impossible to extinguish. Magnesium creates it's own oxygen. Regardless if they were still alive, they had to be pushed in. No way at all to get them out. Chances are they died during the initial impact. To tell the truth, I felt useless when all that we could do was put up a cooling screen of water to get close enough to shove it. I have no idea what the reason for their death is. Maybe there is a reason and I am just not grasping it. Either way, it's just not right when we should not had been there in the first place. In no way am I saying that men and women in the millitary die for absolutely nothing. To die protecting your brothers and sisters without regret is the highest act of bravery regardless if it is in war, fighting a fire or protecting your family or any other reason. To die in a helicopter slamming a flight deck or sitting in an Humvee hit by an IED does not seem right and it is hard to find a good reason for such a death. But then, death needs no reason."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #12 January 2, 2007 To die protecting your brothers and sisters without regret is the highest act of bravery regardless if it is in war,*** That's all I was trying to say too, I'm sorry I misunderstood what you were trying to get across to me. I do however still disagree that someone getting killed in an IED blast isn't dying for something, the way I see it is that you are doing your job, and if you get killed doing it then it's honorable. What I see as a pointless death is when a rocket lands in the Green Zone and all the officers who spend their entire tour working in the embassy and never once leave the gate run over to the impact site to get pictures so they can show them off and look like a badass cause they were in a rocket attack and then a few seconds later another one comes in and takes them out.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #13 January 2, 2007 QuoteI do however still disagree that someone getting killed in an IED blast isn't dying for something, the way I see it is that you are doing your job, and if you get killed doing it then it's honorable. I am backing up and agreeing with you on this. Best of luck to you and everyone else who is in Iraq."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #14 January 2, 2007 I am backing up and agreeing with you on this. Quote No worries, I just have my own way of looking at things QuoteBest of luck to you and everyone else who is in Iraq. Thanks but when you look this good you don't need luck, oh wait.....we're talking about Iraq, my badHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #15 January 3, 2007 QuoteYou fight to stay alive. The initial reason means very little when someone is trying to kill you. Some people fight for others, not just to "stay alive". Many people aren't that self centered. I hope you meet some someday. Edit: Nevermind, I see you changed that tune. I posted before reading the rest ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites greybeard 0 #16 January 4, 2007 good on all of you. (kinda like the picture of self frag too.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
GQ_jumper 4 #12 January 2, 2007 To die protecting your brothers and sisters without regret is the highest act of bravery regardless if it is in war,*** That's all I was trying to say too, I'm sorry I misunderstood what you were trying to get across to me. I do however still disagree that someone getting killed in an IED blast isn't dying for something, the way I see it is that you are doing your job, and if you get killed doing it then it's honorable. What I see as a pointless death is when a rocket lands in the Green Zone and all the officers who spend their entire tour working in the embassy and never once leave the gate run over to the impact site to get pictures so they can show them off and look like a badass cause they were in a rocket attack and then a few seconds later another one comes in and takes them out.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #13 January 2, 2007 QuoteI do however still disagree that someone getting killed in an IED blast isn't dying for something, the way I see it is that you are doing your job, and if you get killed doing it then it's honorable. I am backing up and agreeing with you on this. Best of luck to you and everyone else who is in Iraq."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #14 January 2, 2007 I am backing up and agreeing with you on this. Quote No worries, I just have my own way of looking at things QuoteBest of luck to you and everyone else who is in Iraq. Thanks but when you look this good you don't need luck, oh wait.....we're talking about Iraq, my badHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #15 January 3, 2007 QuoteYou fight to stay alive. The initial reason means very little when someone is trying to kill you. Some people fight for others, not just to "stay alive". Many people aren't that self centered. I hope you meet some someday. Edit: Nevermind, I see you changed that tune. I posted before reading the rest ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites greybeard 0 #16 January 4, 2007 good on all of you. (kinda like the picture of self frag too.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
rehmwa 2 #15 January 3, 2007 QuoteYou fight to stay alive. The initial reason means very little when someone is trying to kill you. Some people fight for others, not just to "stay alive". Many people aren't that self centered. I hope you meet some someday. Edit: Nevermind, I see you changed that tune. I posted before reading the rest ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greybeard 0 #16 January 4, 2007 good on all of you. (kinda like the picture of self frag too.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
