kallend 2,148 #26 January 2, 2007 QuoteYusuf Galan - ETA member charged in November 2001 for having ties to AQ. ETA has also sold explosives to Hamas and other terrorists. Italian and French media reported meetings between ETA and AQ on several occasions between 2000 and 2003. Now, I'm not saying that there is a definite tie between them...but it does bear looking into. So does the IRA link. IRA operatives trained in Libya. Doesn't mean the IRA are Islamic terrorists, though, does it?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 January 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteYusuf Galan - ETA member charged in November 2001 for having ties to AQ. ETA has also sold explosives to Hamas and other terrorists. Italian and French media reported meetings between ETA and AQ on several occasions between 2000 and 2003. Now, I'm not saying that there is a definite tie between them...but it does bear looking into. So does the IRA link. IRA operatives trained in Libya. Doesn't mean the IRA are Islamic terrorists, though, does it? Don't know - how many IRA people changed to Islamic names?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #28 January 2, 2007 Cassius Clay converted, does that make all boxers Islamic? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #29 January 3, 2007 QuoteQuoteYusuf Galan - ETA member charged in November 2001 for having ties to AQ. ETA has also sold explosives to Hamas and other terrorists. Italian and French media reported meetings between ETA and AQ on several occasions between 2000 and 2003. Now, I'm not saying that there is a definite tie between them...but it does bear looking into. So does the IRA link. IRA operatives trained in Libya. Doesn't mean the IRA are Islamic terrorists, though, does it? It would be more accurate to describe the IRA as American linked terrorists since that's where they did a lot of their fundraising. Of course Libya armed them well with tonnes of Semtex and other arms after Ronald Reagan bombed Tripoli from bases in the U.K. Gadhafi also blew up Pan Am 103 over Scotland for the same reason. Terrorists are opportunists when it comes to funding and support. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #30 January 3, 2007 QuoteCassius Clay converted, does that make all boxers Islamic? Nope...sure doesn't. But when you take the rest of the information presented, it DOES make a case that there is a link there that should be investigated further...wouldn't you say?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #31 January 3, 2007 QuoteQuoteCassius Clay converted, does that make all boxers Islamic? Nope...sure doesn't. But when you take the rest of the information presented, it DOES make a case that there is a link there that should be investigated further...wouldn't you say? That would tell you what? That the terrorists in Spain are bad terrorists? Or give you some perverted sense of satisfaction through a tennuous association? Basque separatists have been terrorizing Spain LONG before AQ even existed, as usual Americans are largely oblivious to this; American casualties: 0. 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, or in those circles, 3 degrees of OBL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #32 January 3, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteCassius Clay converted, does that make all boxers Islamic? Nope...sure doesn't. But when you take the rest of the information presented, it DOES make a case that there is a link there that should be investigated further...wouldn't you say? That would tell you what? That the terrorists in Spain are bad terrorists? Or give you some perverted sense of satisfaction through a tennuous association? Basque separatists have been terrorizing Spain LONG before AQ even existed, as usual Americans are largely oblivious to this; American casualties: 0. 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, or in those circles, 3 degrees of OBL. So, you're denying that there were meetings between ETA and AQ in Stockholm and Barcelona? Looks like us Yanks aren't the only oblivious ones... oops - I forgot, cant break the "Europeans are perfect" rule... my bad!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #33 January 3, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCassius Clay converted, does that make all boxers Islamic? Nope...sure doesn't. But when you take the rest of the information presented, it DOES make a case that there is a link there that should be investigated further...wouldn't you say? That would tell you what? That the terrorists in Spain are bad terrorists? Or give you some perverted sense of satisfaction through a tenuous association? Basque separatists have been terrorizing Spain LONG before AQ even existed, as usual Americans are largely oblivious to this; American casualties: 0. 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, or in those circles, 3 degrees of OBL. So, you're denying that there were meetings between ETA and AQ in Stockholm and Barcelona? There's a difference between meetings and your conclusion. The sad thing about this whole line of reasoning from the start of this thread is it's motivated by an infantile sense "I told you so" schadenfreude, when it is almost certainly not the case with a telephone warning and ETA bombing Spain for decades. But you're bending over backwards to ignore the elephant in the living-room in pursuit of a hair-brained claim because you would kinda like it to be true. Quote Looks like us Yanks aren't the only oblivious ones... oops - I forgot, cant break the "Europeans are perfect" rule... my bad! That's even less becoming than your schadenfreude but it is telling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #34 January 3, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCassius Clay converted, does that make all boxers Islamic? Nope...sure doesn't. But when you take the rest of the information presented, it DOES make a case that there is a link there that should be investigated further...wouldn't you say? That would tell you what? That the terrorists in Spain are bad terrorists? Or give you some perverted sense of satisfaction through a tennuous association? Basque separatists have been terrorizing Spain LONG before AQ even existed, as usual Americans are largely oblivious to this; American casualties: 0. 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, or in those circles, 3 degrees of OBL. So, you're denying that there were meetings between ETA and AQ in Stockholm and Barcelona? ! So by your logic the IRA is a US terrorist organization.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #35 January 3, 2007 Show where I have said that ETA is Islamist. I've shown possible CONNECTIONS between ETA and AQ that should be checked out. Also, show where I've taken ANY pleasure in Spain being bombed. Your statements are not only false, but insulting. As for your final point... show me there's not a marked air of "We Europeans know better than you bloody colonials" and I'll eat my hat.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #36 January 3, 2007 QuoteSo, you're denying that there were meetings between ETA and AQ in Stockholm and Barcelona? Here in Spain i haven´t heard anything about that and i read regularly the newspaper. Can you provide a link to that info? We know where AQ got the dynamite to blow the trains and it was not ETA related. We also know that ETA stole in France over 300 guns and dynamite several months ago, my guess is that those recently stolen explosives were used on the airport this time. I haven´t heard anything regarding ETA helping AQ or viceversa. I would say it is highly unlikely since both groups do not share a common goal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #37 January 3, 2007 QuoteSo by your logic the IRA is a US terrorist organization. Where did you come up with this from? I'm supporting my claim that there *IS* a connection of some sort between ETA and AQ. Is it a formal connection? Some sort of terrorist "mutual aid agreement"? I have no clue. Should it be checked out? I can only say that *I* would, if I were running the investigation.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #38 January 3, 2007 QuoteQuoteSo, you're denying that there were meetings between ETA and AQ in Stockholm and Barcelona? Here in Spain i haven´t heard anything about that and i read regularly the newspaper. Can you provide a link to that info? We know where AQ got the dynamite to blow the trains and it was not ETA related. We also know that ETA stole in France over 300 guns and dynamite several months ago, my guess is that those recently stolen explosives were used on the airport this time. I haven´t heard anything regarding ETA helping AQ or viceversa. I would say it is highly unlikely since both groups do not share a common goal. The original report is no longer online, but it was supposedly mentioned in the Tiempo and El Mundo publications. Timeframe is Oct 01 for the article mentioning Tiempo and El MundoMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick 0 #39 January 3, 2007 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So by your logic the IRA is a US terrorist organization. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where did you come up with this from? I'm supporting my claim that there *IS* a connection of some sort between ETA and AQ. Is it a formal connection? Some sort of terrorist "mutual aid agreement"? I have no clue. Should it be checked out? I can only say that *I* would, if I were running the investigation. There is lots of evidence that the IRA was partly funded by America via NORAID. Nick Gravity- It's not just a good idea, it's the LAW! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 January 3, 2007 QuoteThere is lots of evidence that the IRA was partly funded by America via NORAID. I said that there was a POSSIBLE link between ETA and AQ. John, somehow, construes that to mean that the IRA is an American terrorist organization. I'm still trying to figure out just HOW he came to that conclusion...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick 0 #41 January 3, 2007 I'm not worried how he came to that conclusion but there is a definate link between the IRA and America via NORAID, plus a convicted IRA terrorist being chosen as a Grand Marshall at a NY St Patricks Day Parade Nick Gravity- It's not just a good idea, it's the LAW! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
