434 2 #51 December 30, 2006 I just saw the last minute of Saddams life, and I have to say I feel sick. This is a good example how the world is, based on revenge. It leaves the executors no better than Saddam himself. Revenge and hatred is what keeping the wars going today. Now USA have lost more soldiers than actually died in 9/11, and how many sivilian Iraqis have been killed since the invading? And eye for an eye and tooth for an tooth very good solution! Happy new year the world will not be any better anyway Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #52 December 30, 2006 QuoteAnd eye for an eye and tooth for an tooth Makes the whole world blind and toothless. M K GhandiWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #53 December 30, 2006 QuoteThey should have hung him in the street, and left him hang so that people could throw rocks at him. They could turn it into a once in a lifetime pilgrimage. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteIs that the kind of Iraq that over three thousand Soldiers died to try and build? Some people do not deserve dignity in their death. My point wasn't about his death so much as the behaviour of the living. What kind of society would that be? is that what is meant by Freedom and Democracy? is that what you want the world to learn from your country? The law of the wild west? Hang 'em high and get together a lunch mob?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #54 December 30, 2006 QuoteSome people do not deserve dignity in their death. It's not just about the dignity of the condemned. Some people must have dignity thrust upon them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #55 December 30, 2006 Actualy I thought he showed alot of dignity and courage in his last moments.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #56 December 30, 2006 I never said otherwise. But I read he was spouting a lot of piffle about Iraq being nothing without him at some point. Still, how many of us would face the gallows with as much fortitude? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #57 December 30, 2006 QuoteYou should feel nothing for the person being executed or the execution itself. If you feel anything, it should be sadness, that mankind still cannot live in peace. Post Execution Video World Reaction What ever "milestone" some people want to make out of this - in view of the civil war and widespread murdering in Iraq these days, this amounts to, at best , a footnote. Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #58 December 30, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteFrom an article on Drudge. "A U.S. judge on Friday refused to stop Saddam's execution, rejecting a last-minute court challenge" Can anyone explain to me why a U.S judge would have any say in this matter? Other than our puppet govt is involved. The U.S. judge clearly had no say, so your point is moot. You can't stop people shopping any old crap before a judge.Then why was the case before him? You read the part where I clearly said "You can't stop people....", I think there's a comprehension gap here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #59 December 30, 2006 QuoteSome people do not deserve dignity in their death. Then you become as bad as him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #60 December 30, 2006 QuoteThen you become as bad as him. In what way is wanting someone who killed others to die in a similar fashion the same as ordering these atrocities? How can you even compare that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #61 December 30, 2006 QuoteQuoteThen you become as bad as him. In what way is wanting someone who killed others to die in a similar fashion the same as ordering these atrocities? How can you even compare that? As the man said, it makes YOU just as bad as HIM.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #62 December 30, 2006 How does it? Have I got the blood of countless lives on my hands? No I just wish to see him suffer in the way he made others suffer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #63 December 30, 2006 QuoteHow does it? Have I got the blood of countless lives on my hands? No I just wish to see him suffer in the way he made others suffer Hate to say it but it doesn't look like he suffered to me. Suffering would have been solitary confinement the rest of his lifeI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #64 December 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteThen you become as bad as him. In what way is wanting someone who killed others to die in a similar fashion the same as ordering these atrocities? How can you even compare that? As the man said, it makes YOU just as bad as HIM. That's as foolish as saying a cop who arrests a kidnapper and anyone else who even desires appropriate sentencing is just as bad as the criminal being arrested because he's detaining him, worse even since the kidnapper will be detained for many years. As usual you have no sense of proportionality when pushing your manifesto. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #65 December 31, 2006 QuoteThat's as foolish as saying a cop who arrests a kidnapper and anyone else who even desires appropriate sentencing is just as bad as the criminal being arrested because he's detaining him, worse even since the kidnapper will be detained for many years. No, wanting a guy to be tortured so you can feel better is just as bad as what Saddam did. I wanted justice for Saddam, but torture was unneeded and wanting it makes you as bad as him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #66 December 31, 2006 It was pretty much a quick death. His neck was definitely broken after seeing video of him laying on the floor partially wrapped in a bag with his head really cocked to his right side and eyes open. Bastard deserved something more painful but its done and over with. Now can't the rest of the damn assholes in the country just move the fuck along and quit the bombing shit... "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #67 December 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteThat's as foolish as saying a cop who arrests a kidnapper and anyone else who even desires appropriate sentencing is just as bad as the criminal being arrested because he's detaining him, worse even since the kidnapper will be detained for many years. No, wanting a guy to be tortured so you can feel better is just as bad as what Saddam did. I wanted justice for Saddam, but torture was unneeded and wanting it makes you as bad as him. Firstly I didn't want it, so don't put words into my mouth. Unbelievable, little did I realize when I woke this morning that some oaf would accuse me of being as bad as Saddam Hussein for defending the opinion of another. You are beneath contempt. Entire societies used to want traitors hanged drawn & quartered, they used to show up to witness that & see other criminals suffer breaking on the wheel or placed in stocks or see highwaymen caged in iron maidens to die slowly of starvation & exposure. Strangely they were God fearing predominantly good people and would never commit mass murder nor would they ever dream of it. They just weren't fed your diet of Disney saccharin from birth and had different standards, those people are very little changed from you or I. Each society paints the human with its version of a civilized veneer and our empathy for others is certainly malleable. Our actions separate us from Saddam, and that is not simply confined to opinions on how a single criminal should be treated. Saddam's atrocities, systematic torture, and mass murder are too numerous and gruesome to mention here. That someone thinks his demise does not fit his crimes does not make that person as bad as Saddam. You & others pretending this guy was an ordinary criminal and accusing posters of being just like him is downright obscene, but fortunately is a poor reflection on you, not your accused. There's room in this world for people who think his punishment was light considering his crimes. I sometimes reflect of the hereafter for a man like Saddam, it's an unknown of course, but what if it's the simple realization of who you are when you get up from your seat in Plato's cave? Then of course I reflect on Saddam's humanity and ponder how much of him there is in all of us, next one is led to consider the lessons we can learn about ourselves from his monstrous actions and how we might have conducted ourselves if given the opportunity to seize absolute power. There are no answers, just an exploration of thoughts. You might start a similar process of pondering how much of your fellow posters there is in you before saying they're as bad as Saddam. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #68 December 31, 2006 QuoteUnbelievable, little did I realize when I woke this morning that some oaf would accuse me of being as bad as Saddam Hussein for defending the opinion of another. You are beneath contempt. Oaf is an attack right? You can't play fair so you attack people. You wanna talk about contempt? Act like an adult, or don't play in an adult world. QuoteEntire societies used to want traitors hanged drawn & quartered, they used to show up to witness that & see other criminals suffer breaking on the wheel or placed in stocks or see highwaymen caged in iron maidens to die slowly of starvation & exposure Saddam killed many people. Just because it happend does not make it right. QuoteYou & others pretending this guy was an ordinary criminal and accusing posters of being just like him is downright obscene, but fortunately is a poor reflection on you, not your accused YOU, not me think he should be tortured. I realize he was a criminal. But, I don't think defending the thought of torturing him is a good reflection on you. I am done here. You support the right to torture and then attack anyone who disagrees with you. Grow up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #69 December 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteUnbelievable, little did I realize when I woke this morning that some oaf would accuse me of being as bad as Saddam Hussein for defending the opinion of another. You are beneath contempt. Oaf is an attack right? you can't play fair so you attack people. You wanna talk about contempt? Act like an adult. Caling someone as bad as Saddam after misrepresenting their views is an attack, a severe and deeply offensive one. Quote Please don't lump me in with you. You wish to see a man tortured. You repeat your misrepresentation, I have never written such a thing and you're repeating it despite a correction. Quote YOU, not me think he should be tortured. I am done here. You support the right to torture and then attack anyone who disagrees with you. Grow up. You repeat the false claim. One more time, I have said no such thing. In fact I am defending others who have been attacked in this thread for holding that opinion. Not following a thread is one thing but persisting after you have been given the correction is cynical. Your attempts to unjustly smear someone who disagrees with you are transparent despite your appeals to maturity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites