The bright minds at the NPS

[MyTwoCents 0]

http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=801

That's pretty sad.

[Calvin19 0]

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In order to avoid offending religious fundamentalists, our National Park Service is under orders to suspend its belief in geology,” stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch. “It is disconcerting that the official position of a national park as to the geologic age of the Grand Canyon is ‘no comment.’”

[mfnren 2]

That should read "the bright minds of the bush administration"They forgot to put in the part about the earth being flat, I don't think thats scientifically proven either...

[NickDG 23]

We seriously need to amend the U.S. Constitution to read: "Freedom from Religion" rather than "Freedom of Religion . . ."

Get a good flashlight, boys, the Dark Ages are coming (again).

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[PeteS 0]

Stuff like this makes me repeat," I don't have a problem with God, it's his fan club I can't stand ".

[Bolas 5]

This may work to your advantage if you get caught:

I wasn't BASE jumping, I was trying to leap to Jesus. The rig is just in case I'm not worthy yet. If I'm not, I'll just keep on trying.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
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[badenhop 0]

Stuff like this makes me hope the bright minds at the drop zone dot com will move this thread to some other forum more suited to topics that have nothing to do with BASE jumping.

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[SpeedRacer 1]

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“As one park geologist said, this is equivalent of Yellowstone National Park selling a book entitled Geysers of Old Faithful: Nostrils of Satan,”

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[SpeedRacer 1]

Can't we just designate another Afghanistan for the fundamentalists to live in?

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[JohnRich 4]

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That should read "the bright minds of the bush administration"They forgot to put in the part about the earth being flat, I don't think thats scientifically proven either...

Other "bright minds" out there are illustrated by those who hate President Bush so much that they will blindly believe anything bad that is said about him or anything to do with the federal government, and blame it directly on him.

Here's a fact for those bright minds, from the National Park Service web site for the Grand Canyon, and the "Frequently Asked Questions" file:

How old is the Canyon?

"That's a tricky question. Although rocks exposed in the walls of the canyon are geologically quite old, the Canyon itself is a fairly young feature. The oldest rocks at the canyon bottom are close to 2000 million years old. The Canyon itself - an erosional feature - has formed only in the past five or six million years. Geologically speaking, Grand Canyon is very young."

Source

Note that even the youngest of those ages mentioned, is well beyond what the bibilical creationists claim is the age of the earth. And since the web site directly answers the question in scientific terms, that's proof that the allegations from the PEER nuts are false.

Try not to be so darned naive and gullible next time.

[DaVinci 0]

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Here's a fact for those bright minds, from the National Park Service web site for the Grand Canyon, and the "Frequently Asked Questions" file:

There you go confusing the haters with facts again...How dare you?

Also, what is wrong with ALLOWING a book to be sold? It is not required reading, it is an option to buy one if you like.

I do like the quote above about not having a problem with God, only his fan club...Thats some funny shit!

[lawrocket 3]

My, my, my, my. How interesting that the pendulum of "political correctness" is swinging the other way.

Why, 15 years ago, I had to watch my mouth lest I offend any race, creed, sexual orientation, age, etc. Just as recently as three years ago, Los Angeles County, in the name of avoiding anything that could be defamatory or "offensive," sought to prevent the terminology of "master/slave" for computer systems.

Now the religious right are employing the same mechanisms to make sure that everybody else's rights are trumped by their possible offense over bullshit perceived indignities.

You know, I remember telling people back when I was in college that the pendulum will start to swing the other way wihtin the next decade. Okay, so I was off by a couple of years.

The right wing is using the same bullshit methodology to enforce their viewpoint of morality as the left did. Why, we see the federal government using the commerce clause to interfere with the rights of people to grow their own pot for themselves! Why, they learned to do this from the new and progressive thinking!

So, the same mechanisms that brought us political correctness of the 80's and 90's are bringing us neo-political correctness of the 2000's. I agree this is bullshit, but I thought it was bullshit back then, too.

Why, we can rationally expect hate crime statutes to arise that view intolerance of religion as a hate crime. For example, if a student in school wears a "Darwin was Right" tee shirt, it may be cause for suspension because a religious zealot may be offended.

Why, if a person mugs another person who is wearing a crucifix necklace, we may add an enhancement to the sentence for the person committing a hate crime based upon religious intolerance.

Hey, it's been done before! Just with more, shall we say, "acceptable" groups of victims...

Pass the Tylenol...

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Pass the Tylenol...

I took them all already. Maybe a few Advil left... The pendulum just keeps hitting us on the head over and over again.

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[JohnRich 4]

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what is wrong with ALLOWING a book to be sold? It is not required reading, it is an option to buy one if you like.

I don't have a problem with books sold in parks containing alternative views.

I am friends with a guy that publishes river guides for boaters in certain national parks. I know from him that there is a review process such books have to go through before they can be allowed on the shelves. For example, the park has to ensure that the locations of any protected archaeological sites are not revealed, to those who might pilfer. So, perhaps the book is just still in the review stage.

[kallend 2,150]

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http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=801

That's pretty sad.

Why would anyone be surprised. The Bush administration has over-ridden scientists at NIH, NOAA and other government labs for doctrinal or political reasons.

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[dorbie 0]

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http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=801

That's pretty sad.

Why would anyone be surprised. The Bush administration has over-ridden scientists at NIH, NOAA and other government labs for doctrinal or political reasons.

Those bodies advise, they don't dictate policy. Individuals there who aspire to make the decisions are of course free to run for elected office.

[kallend 2,150]

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http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=801

That's pretty sad.

Why would anyone be surprised. The Bush administration has over-ridden scientists at NIH, NOAA and other government labs for doctrinal or political reasons.

Those bodies advise, they don't dictate policy. Individuals there who aspire to make the decisions are of course free to run for elected office.

When administration policy dictates what a scientist may write in a publication or say during a presentation concerning science, I'd say there is a problem.

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[dorbie 0]

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When administration policy dictates what a scientist may write in a publication or say during a presentation concerning science, I'd say there is a problem.

That instance is a classic case of one scientist playing politics, much like yourself Kallend. The entire story is highly suspect and of course the guy went on a campaign.

[dorbie 0]

P.S. having looked at the OP article this is quite sickening, anyone who pulls this crap needs to be forced out of public office, my apologies Kallend.

[mfnren 2]

The door swings both ways my friend. There are plenty of Bush supporters that are unwilling to except all the f'd up things he is responsible for, and then call people who don't support his agenda 'haters' instead of having a logical response.
example "I don't support Bush's enviromental policy"
Response "You just hate the president!"
Not that this doesn't go both ways, but Bush uses this tactic all the time with people that don't agree with him.