shropshire 0 #76 December 28, 2006 Please don't swear at me or I might just cry. I did read what you wrote (in fact I quoted it). So why would you think that we're not 'near the people that our parents and grandparents were'? After all, you dont say. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 and as for Bush...... get over it, he's still a ****** (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #77 December 28, 2006 Quote It is about a guy that signed up for 8 years being asked to actually do what he agreed to do. Yup... There was a time when he would have his back put against a wall and shot. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #78 December 28, 2006 Are people all that different now.. I dont think so. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #79 December 28, 2006 Quoteand as for Bush...... get over it, he's still a ****** Yeah, but he is an a ****** sitting on a shitload of smartbombs... -Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #80 December 28, 2006 <> I hope he farts and set's them all off (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #81 December 28, 2006 QuoteSign the waiver and jump, if you live no biggie, if not, nobody forced you, you are an ADULT. We have 2 standards for adulthood in the USA - 18 and 21. 21 is the age at which you are afforded all the privleges of adulthood in the USA, and is the age of majority that should count. 18 year olds cannot drink. 18 year olds can be counted for tax deduction purposes by their parents if they are in college or high school. 18 year olds cannot gamble. 18 year olds are therefore not full adults. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #82 December 28, 2006 Also people keep referring to the 'average 18 year old' Are all people who enlist in a military career 'average' or would you suggest some are below par? I'd suggest some are below this 'average' standard that keeps getting thrown around Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #83 December 28, 2006 QuoteAlso people keep referring to the 'average 18 year old' Are all people who enlist in a military career 'average' or would you suggest some are below par? I'd suggest some are below this 'average' standard that keeps getting thrown around Shit. The "average man on the street" can't even tell you who the vice president is. Ever watch the Leno man on the street segment? It's freaking scary. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindercles 0 #84 December 28, 2006 That may all be true, but the law is clear that 18 year olds are capable of entering into legally binding contracts. Whether or not they can drink and gamble, and whether or not they are "full adults" is irrelevant. It's not a grey issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #85 December 28, 2006 QuoteI'd suggest some are below this 'average' standard that keeps getting thrown around Ummm... of course some are below. That's the whole point of the term "average". Some are also above average.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #86 December 28, 2006 QuoteQuote I've never met an average 18 year old who couldn't fully understand either contract. ... Did you serve in the military? I doubt if more than 5% of the guys in boot camp with me fully understood the contract. Hell, the company commander couldn't even read. He always had one of the recruits do the reading. Are you serious????When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #87 December 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote I've never met an average 18 year old who couldn't fully understand either contract. ... Did you serve in the military? I doubt if more than 5% of the guys in boot camp with me fully understood the contract. Hell, the company commander couldn't even read. He always had one of the recruits do the reading. Are you serious???? He must have forgotten the sarcasm icon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #88 December 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteAlso people keep referring to the 'average 18 year old' Are all people who enlist in a military career 'average' or would you suggest some are below par? I'd suggest some are below this 'average' standard that keeps getting thrown around Shit. The "average man on the street" can't even tell you who the vice president is. Ever watch the Leno man on the street segment? It's freaking scary. Yea...that is entertainment. A TV show that goes out of the way to edit the footage so the typical man on the street looks like an idiot just so they can get a laugh._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #89 December 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteAlso people keep referring to the 'average 18 year old' Are all people who enlist in a military career 'average' or would you suggest some are below par? I'd suggest some are below this 'average' standard that keeps getting thrown around Shit. The "average man on the street" can't even tell you who the vice president is. Ever watch the Leno man on the street segment? It's freaking scary. Yea...that is entertainment. A TV show that goes out of the way to edit the footage so the typical man on the street looks like an idiot just so they can get a laugh. Well, I was a production intern on the show several years ago, and helped edit those segments, and I can tell you that there was no such co9ntent editing. Ok, that's a lie, but wouldn't that piss you off? -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #90 December 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote I've never met an average 18 year old who couldn't fully understand either contract. ... Did you serve in the military? I doubt if more than 5% of the guys in boot camp with me fully understood the contract. Hell, the company commander couldn't even read. He always had one of the recruits do the reading. Are you serious???? 100% - no lie. To be fair, he WAS a boatswain's mate..... -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #91 December 28, 2006 LOLWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #92 December 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteThose people were told that Iraq had WMDs and intended to use them against the US. That doesn't appear to have been a particularly honest part of the sales pitch. OK, but without proof to the contrary we didn't KNOW until after the invasion. Not to turn this into a debate about WMD's but the fact is that people supported it, now they bitch about it. The shine has worn off the new toy. To compare to WWII we didn't know the extent of the Genocide until we were in Germany. Sometimes mths later. I was never in a position to *know* anything about Iraqi WMDs, and I sure as fuck would not have accepted "We can't be sure if Iraq has WMDs or not, let's invade them and find out" as reasonable. I expect my President to be pretty positive about the causes to which he commits our young troops and countless civilian lives. And that cause ought to be something signicantly more important than trying to prove he's got a bigger dick than his father. I've already admitted that this sergeant should be willing to accept the consequences of his decision to not report. This thing about shine wearing off a new toy or tiring of feeding a puppy is what's grating on me. You are ascribing a position to people who don't like the current situation that is absolutely not in evidence. The shine of the war hasn't worn off, and I haven't tired of feeding the puppy. What's happened is I was sold a cat when I thought was buying a puppy! I'm not sick of buying pet food, I'm pissed off that it's cat food. And I'm not suggesting we should just withdraw unilaterally. We put the Iraqi people in the mess they find themselves in, and we owe it to them to make amends. But we only need to look a little over the horizon from Iraq to see that violence for violence is not a winning tactic in the war we are fighting. I'll admit that I don't know what the answer is...it'll take more wisdom than I have to figure that out. Unfortunately, as I've said all along, the guy who got us into this mess isn't particularly bright. Maybe next time we'll elect someone with some intelligence, but I'm not counting on it. I gotta get smarter countrymen. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #93 December 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'm glad that Gates is voicing what the Generals have said, but adding more of our troops to the death total can't be the only option we have left at this point. But Gates and the Generals think it is the correct path. Who are you and I to argue? Also, you must admit that some (not you that I know of) bitched saying that Bush should have listend to the Generals before, but are now bitching that he might listen to them now. That is playing both sides. I haven't played both sides. The experts have been talking to him for years, he is only now just listening. I'm more upset thinking that an article like this most likely wouldn't be necessary if he started acting on their advice years ago._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #94 December 28, 2006 QuoteIt's not unavoidable...but it further shows that we're not near the people that our parents and grandparents were... Perhaps it shows that our parents and grandparents did not have the idiot son of an asshole running the white house.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #95 December 28, 2006 QuoteAre people all that different now.. I dont think so. I do, and thats the point. Today people want quick and easy. They want it now, or they will not even try. Just like the number on issue people have with SL vs AFF is that it takes too long. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #96 December 29, 2006 There, fixed it for you. Now we have the real story. Thank you to those that follow orders of a real president. One that does not listen to the media and its minions.......... Ford was right about one thing. Using wmds as a reason was a mistake but, that does not make going in was the wrong decision."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #97 December 29, 2006 QuoteThis thing about shine wearing off a new toy or tiring of feeding a puppy is what's grating on me. You are ascribing a position to people who don't like the current situation that is absolutely not in evidence. You mean like you just did in this same post "I expect my President to be pretty positive about the causes to which he commits our young troops and countless civilian lives. And that cause ought to be something signicantly more important than trying to prove he's got a bigger dick than his father" Do you have proof that is the reason? QuoteWhat's happened is I was sold a cat when I thought was buying a puppy! I'm not sick of buying pet food, I'm pissed off that it's cat food. Valid bitch, but you are not all. I know people who supported the war and now are against it just due to the length. GWB and Co made some really bad choices. No argument. But, people who supported the war need to accept that they also own part of the situation. Lets not forget that GWB and Co was voted in again. What kind of message do you think that sends? QuoteUnfortunately, as I've said all along, the guy who got us into this mess isn't particularly bright. He has a BA from Yale and an MBA from Harvard. Also he is President and has been elected TWICE. So he may be smarter than you claim. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #98 December 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteThis thing about shine wearing off a new toy or tiring of feeding a puppy is what's grating on me. You are ascribing a position to people who don't like the current situation that is absolutely not in evidence. You mean like you just did in this same post "I expect my President to be pretty positive about the causes to which he commits our young troops and countless civilian lives. And that cause ought to be something signicantly more important than trying to prove he's got a bigger dick than his father" Do you have proof that is the reason? Where did I say it WAS the reason? QuoteQuoteUnfortunately, as I've said all along, the guy who got us into this mess isn't particularly bright. He has a BA from Yale and an MBA from Harvard. Also he is President and has been elected TWICE. So he may be smarter than you claim. Think he'd have gotten those degrees if he'd come from a long line of factory workers? As for the elections, the sad answer can be found by watching an episode each of Entertainment Tonight, the 700 Club, and the O'Reilly Factor and then asking yourself why they're still on the air. The answer has more to do with the populace than it does the entertainers. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #99 December 29, 2006 Is the war lost? Can it be won still?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #100 December 29, 2006 Ya know it sux that he has to put his life on hold but he can't expect to get out of someting he signed, if we start letting people out of legally binding contracts whats next. Sorry you signed on the line now grab your nuts and live up to your committmentHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
