Authorities blame easy availability of "ILLEGAL" guns for murder increase

[lawrocket 3]

From yahoo news:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061227/ap_on_re_us/murder_toll

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NEW YORK - After many years of decline, the number of murders climbed this year in New York and many other major U.S. cities, reaching their highest levels in a decade in some places.

Among the reasons given: gangs, the easy availability of illegal guns, a disturbing tendency among young people to pull guns when they do not get the respect they demand...

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[New York] Police Department spokesman Paul Browne noted that this year's total is only slightly higher than last year's 539 homicides — the city's lowest death toll in more than 40 years.

Browne blamed the rise in part on the availability of guns, particularly weapons from out of state. The city this year sued dozens of out-of-state gun shops that it says are responsible for many of the illegal weapons on the streets of New York.

So, what we see here is that police are saying that a big contributor to increasing murders is the black market for guns. Even though they are banned, they are flowing in in incresing numbers. NYC has even taken to suing gun stores in other states because of the illegal guns coming in.

So, the cops are admitting that guns are being 1) illegally brought in; 2) illegally sold; 3) illegally possessed; and 4) illegally used at an alarming rate.

So, what can you do about it? There are already laws banning the trasnportation, sale, possession and use of these firearms.

I'm certain there are plenty of gun control laws that haven't been ignored, but only because they have not yet been enacted. What other gun control laws should be passed and ignored?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kelpdiver 2]

"[New York] Police Department spokesman Paul Browne noted that this year's total is only slightly higher than last year's 539 homicides — the city's lowest death toll in more than 40 years.

Browne blamed the rise..."

Did you quote this passage directly, or was there some text between the two paragraphs?

They seem rather at odds with each other. Maybe those out of state gun shops are the reason for the historically low murder rates?

[kelpdiver 2]

I actually looked at the article.

You left out some good nuggets.

"In New York, where the city reported 579 homicides through Dec. 24 — a nearly 10 percent increase from the year before — the spike is mostly the result of an unusually large number of "reclassified homicides," or those involving victims who were shot or stabbed years ago but did not die until this year. Thirty-five such deaths have been added to this year's toll, compared with an annual average of about a dozen."

So most of the gain is not really a gain.

And here's one for Kallend:
"In Chicago, homicides through the first 11 months of the year were up 3.3 percent compared with the same period in 2005, reversing a four-year decline. A police spokeswoman said gang violence has been a contributing factor."

I guess he'll need a new blunt instrument to use in these gun threads.

[kallend 2,182]

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I actually looked at the article.

You left out some good nuggets.

"In New York, where the city reported 579 homicides through Dec. 24 — a nearly 10 percent increase from the year before — the spike is mostly the result of an unusually large number of "reclassified homicides," or those involving victims who were shot or stabbed years ago but did not die until this year. Thirty-five such deaths have been added to this year's toll, compared with an annual average of about a dozen."

So most of the gain is not really a gain.

And here's one for Kallend:
"In Chicago, homicides through the first 11 months of the year were up 3.3 percent compared with the same period in 2005, reversing a four-year decline. A police spokeswoman said gang violence has been a contributing factor."

I guess he'll need a new blunt instrument to use in these gun threads.

So more homicides in Chicago pleases you

Chicago homicides almost exactly mirror the national trend.
Violent crime down 3% in Chicago, up 9% nationally.

LA homicides down 4%, San Francisco down 15%.

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[lawrocket 3]

So, Browne did not cite the availability of illegal guns. My bad. I'm sorry. I must have misquoted the article.

I'll go fuck myself now. Or maybe head out to the streets and pick myself up a Glock.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kelpdiver 2]

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So, Browne did not cite the availability of illegal guns. My bad. I'm sorry. I must have misquoted the article.

I'll go fuck myself now. Or maybe head out to the streets and pick myself up a Glock.

I think something is whooshing over your head, or mine, or I have no fucking idea what your brain is doing right now?

[kelpdiver 2]

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So more homicides in Chicago pleases you

citation, please? I noted that your talking point has been reduced, nothing more.

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Chicago homicides almost exactly mirror the national trend.
Violent crime down 3% in Chicago, up 9% nationally.

LA homicides down 4%, San Francisco down 15%.

And Oakland is up 57%.

[Lindsey 0]

Really, though....just because a police officer, or some police officers, or even the police believe that the increase in murders is due to the easy availability of "illegal" guns doesn't make it so. That's more of a political statement than anything else, imho.

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[warpedskydiver 0]

What other gun control laws should be passed and ignored?

[kallend 2,182]

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What other gun control laws should be passed and ignored?

None whatsoever, laws never stopped any criminal.

[mnealtx 0]

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What other gun control laws should be passed and ignored?

None whatsoever, laws never stopped any criminal.

So we shouldn't have any laws at all? Isn't that called "anarchy"?

[Zipp0 1]

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What other gun control laws should be passed and ignored?

None whatsoever, laws never stopped any criminal.

So we shouldn't have any laws at all? Isn't that called "anarchy"?

[happythoughts 0]

If they would just enforce the loitering laws, there would be less drive-bys. It is their fault for standing where they can be shot.

Also, enforce the speeding laws to prevent bank robberies. If they had tougher enforcement, robbers wouldn't be able to get away.

I don't know why these darned murderers aren't obeying the existing gun laws. What a puzzle. Perhaps a law making it illegal to kill people would help.

[willard 0]

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What other gun control laws should be passed and ignored?

None whatsoever, laws never stopped any criminal.

So we shouldn't have any laws at all? Isn't that called "anarchy"?

[piper17 1]

The increase in the Chicago killings are due to gang violence.

Well, the obvious solution is to ban gangs...and violence, for that matter. That is sure to stop these killings!

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

[kallend 2,182]

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What other gun control laws should be passed and ignored?

None whatsoever, laws never stopped any criminal.

So we shouldn't have any laws at all? Isn't that called "anarchy"?

Disingenuous, again - where did anyone mention getting rid of the 20k+ gun laws already on the books?

[ryoder 1,590]

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However, the argument that gun laws are of no value because criminals ignore them could apply to any other law on the books. It's a silly argument.

The legitimate purpose of laws to to put restrictions on actions that harm others. No one is going to argue that such laws have no value.

The problem arises when laws are enacted that put restrictions on owning items. Owning a weapon does not cause harm to others. If the owner uses the weapon offensively, that action is already prohibited by law. Therefore the laws prohibiting ownership have no value, and create a new class of criminal whose crime is merely possessing an item, rather than performing an action which harmed another person.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Skysurfer_Rob 0]

Wow.....

The question was

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What other gun control laws should be passed and ignored?

I read this as "don't need to pass or ignore any gun laws whatsoever...."

Not "abolish all gun laws, and every law in the book for that matter....."

Did this go over my head or yours?

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[kallend 2,182]

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Wow.....

The question was

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What other gun control laws should be passed and ignored?

I read this as "don't need to pass or ignore any gun laws whatsoever...."

Not "abolish all gun laws, and every law in the book for that matter....."

Did this go over my head or yours?

Yours, apparently.

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