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I got my dad a G23 last year and fell in love with the thing. Now shopping for myself and was wondering how the C models perform. Im also interested in the G36 it looks like a great CC pistol. I own a Rock Island Arms .45 ACP i like it but always have several FTF per mag. I want something reliable.

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I got my dad a G23 last year and fell in love with the thing. Now shopping for myself and was wondering how the C models perform. Im also interested in the G36 it looks like a great CC pistol. I own a Rock Island Arms .45 ACP i like it but always have several FTF per mag. I want something reliable.

(please dont get this moved to the SC;))



The RR can probably be made reliable with a bit of work. I'm assuming you're getting feed failures and not firing failures? Having your FRG (friendly local gunsmith) check the feed ramp/chamber and smooth any burrs will help. Good magazines help a lot, too.
Mike
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The C models are OK... just as reliable as any other Glock. But they are louder, messier, and low-light levels shooting with them is horrible. I'd personally opt for one of the non-compensated models.

I'd go to a glock dealer and handle all the different models if you are looking for a CC weapon. The G36 is barely (.1") smaller than a G30 with half the capacity. The .45ACP model subcompact glocks (G30/G36) are basically the same size as your dad's G23. If you want a smaller framed weapon than that, you will need to step down to a G26/G27/G33/G39.

I personally have a G27 that I've carried for a little over a year. It's been through lots of weather conditions and was submerged in river flood-water a few months back... it has always gone bang when I told it to.

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I used to have a Springfield XD 9mm. (4" barrel).

Excellent shooting gun, had a slight amount more muzzle flip than the G19's that I have shot (their weight is distributed a little differently). Grip position is slightly different. Grip safety is a nice thought, but after shooting it for a while and shooting other weapons with no external safeties, you realize how useless it really is.

Alot of people have had issues with their XD's developing surface rust on the slide and external controls... I classify 99% of those scenarios as people who think they own a glock and can neglect it like one. With proper care, the XD finish won't rust.

BUT, the finish on them still doesn't compare to the tenifer finish on the glock (unless you get a new XD-45 with the melonite finish). How the finish holds up will depend entirely on you though, the finish on mine was still perfect after 6 months and 1500 or so rounds fired through it... but after 2 months of CC'ing it, it started showing holster wear VERY badly on the slide.

I ended up buying my G27 as a summer carry weapon, and eventually it just became my main shooter. Since I wasn't shooting the XD anymore really, I sold it to pay for my First Jump Course :)

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Your just looking for excuses to go to the range:D:D



You guys should be in Lubbock with me--I went to the range yesterday with my brother-in-law. We had a lot of fun shooting my Colt Combat Commander (1911 with a shorter barrel).

I thin the Glocks are better overall guns than the 1911, but the 1911's slim frame makes it easier to CC. Of course, I haven't tried any of the slim Glocks, so I don't know how those carry.
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Make sure you check your mags carefully. I don't have much experience with Glocks from civilian sources but I do carry a Govt G19 for a living. Some months back they gave us all new mags as the ones that were originally issued had MAJOR feed problems with hollow point ammo. They work fine with FMJ but barely feed HP at all. I kept the defective ones as "Extra Oh shit before I throw it at them" mags and I wrote in paint pen "FMJ ONLY" on the side. :D Good guns.........easy to shoot. I have had mine since April 2005 and put quite a many rounds through it. I don't think I have had ANY malfunctions that I didn't cause for training purposes. The only wear showing is on the slide release and a bit on the ejector. Still looks damn near new otherwise. Because of the safety system.......I wouldn't recommend it to ANYONE for casual carry though. If you are going to carry it.......train relentlessly. ;)

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[.......I wouldn't recommend it to ANYONE for casual carry though. If you are going to carry it.......train relentlessly. ;)



didja see the video of the feckless fireaarm safety instructor that shot himself in the foot during a classroom session? Priceless.

I'd no sooner carry a Glock casually than an RPG. They're serious business. Give me a revolver for everyday carry.

jon

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didja see the video of the feckless fireaarm safety instructor that shot himself in the foot during a classroom session? Priceless.




Many times. :D Shows you how easy it is for someone that at least SHOULD be intimately familiar with the weapon system to screw up. Of course having a LOADED WEAPON while demonstrating in a class room is just STUPID! I kinda scared myself a few months back. I had reason to point that Glock at someone at VERY close range. In fact it was so close that if I had not been sitting in a vehicle at a weird angle I would have just used my hands. After I got "home" I thought about the feeling I got on the trigger. I have A LOT more experience as far as rounds fired with the Sig 229. I kept replaying the trigger pressure (or "committed trigger") I had in the situation. I also thought about how close that thing was to going bang because my body reverted to the muscle memory of the Sig Vs. the MUCH shorter trigger pull on the Glock. It takes A LOT of practice to handle a Glock well. Both in means of safety and employment.


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Give me a revolver for everyday carry.




No need to go that far. A good DA/SA with a decocking lever is what I like for "normal" concealed carry. I have a Ruger P 94 DC that I like and I carried the Sig 229 professionally for 2 years. Very good guns. Kinda HOG LEGS but they both shoot nicely, handle fairly easily if they fit your hands, and are as safe as any weapon can be and still be useful.

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I carry a Glock for PD and shoot a Glock in competition. I am not a fan of the C models. First, I really do not think it makes that much difference in muzzle rise at all. So for what I see as limited benefit, you get:
1. A really loud gun that
2. Blinds you in low light much more than a regular barrel and that
3. blackens any white or FO front sight you might want and that
4. blows the toxic crap from the firing process up into your face instead of down range

Use the extra $ for ammo and range time instead. More practice will make you a better shooter than a barrel with holes in it. Since most folks refuse to practice and insist on buying equipment, ifyou must spend the $ on stuff get either a better holster or a few extra mags.

Oh, and your Glock, whichever one you get, will come from the factory with all the hop-up parts it needs. I have bought different triggers and all kind of different stuff over the years in an effort to improve my Glock. At times, I have achieved a lighter trigger pull that I could feel. Lock time might have been better, too, at least that's what the ads said. And my barrel may have been capable of better accuracy.

But when I really noticed the $500 of aftermarket sh!t in the gun was when it broke and I got DNFs on stages.

The stock stuff may not cost as much, but it does work.

Brent

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Some months back they gave us all new mags as the ones that were originally issued had MAJOR feed problems with hollow point ammo. They work fine with FMJ but barely feed HP at all.



My two Glocks act exactly like this. Bought them both around the same time, 1999, but have different mags. The 10 round version from the assault ban era and some pre-ban mags. Even put Wolf springs in the pre-ban ones.

Been meaning to have a gun smith look at them, but for now I just load them with FMJ rounds which feed fine.

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It's the lip of the mag that causes the malfunction. I think the springs are a bit differen't too. Not sure about the Pre/Post ban as ALL the ones I have are 15 rounders marked "Restricted LE/Govt Only." I'm sure a knowledgeable local gunsmith can get you the right mags.

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I will be home on the 10th somewhere between then and me having to go back to work we are doing the following.

Jeff, Jason, Douva and myself: Range all day for some skeet and target practice. Kim teaches Alicia, Whit, and (one of Douvas many) some artistic dance moves while were at the range. After a long day of shooting we will arrive home for beverages and a show.B|





It sounds like such a good plan but i know they wouldn't let us go to the range without them:D:D


Not only will you look better, feel better, and fuck better; you'll have significantly increased your life expectancy. --Douva

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You could always buy a "C" model and order an extra "non-C" barrel.

I own a G23C and I love it. It does make the front sight a little dirty but nothing that can't be fixed with a quick wipe of a cloth (like your shirt). I don't think they're THAT much louder than "non-C" models. But I do think the "C" model has quite a bit less muzzle flip. As far as the blinding yourself in low light situations. That's been a controversy for a long time now. I don't think it makes a difference.

Another thing you'll hear about the "C" models is the potential for burning yourself if shot with your arm retracted and close to your side. Whatever.

I'm sure most people would suggest...borrow or rent a "C" model and shoot it and see what YOU think.
I personally love my G23C!

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