Shotgun 1 #51 December 26, 2006 QuoteIf you truly believe, how can you acknowledge even the remotest possibility that someone else's god is the true god? I suppose that depends on what it is that you truly believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #52 December 26, 2006 I would not asked him, but told him: you are fired! Maybe called in the space police to remove him! Or maybe: Sorry I must be at the wrong place! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #53 December 26, 2006 QuoteDo you lack the capacity to understand that the questions are directed to a God, any God, and not necessarily your God? In case you have not noticed, you are not converting anyone, you are turning people away, you are doing your God a disservice. "I" "lack the capacity" to convert anyone. That's not my job. The truth may in fact turn many people away. It may turn some toward, however. How could you possibly know if I'm doing God a disservice? Where do you get your information from? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #54 December 26, 2006 QuoteHow could you possibly know if I'm doing God a disservice? Where do you get your information from? Having read many of your posts in many threads it appears as though more people are turned away by your preaching than are turned towards. If the goal is to turn more people towards than away then your preaching would be considered a disservice. I am not saying you are wrong or right about your God, I am saying you should think about changing the way you preach. (There is more to your God than judgement, Heaven, and Hell.)"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #55 December 26, 2006 QuoteIf you truly believe, how can you acknowledge even the remotest possibility that someone else's god is the true god? Tolerance and ecumenism are signs of doubt. I'm not so sure you're right. I truely believe in Christ and I think I'm tolerant of other's beliefs that are different than mine I'm reminded of the Apsotle Peter's admonishment to always be ready to give an account for our faith, but to do so with gentleness and respect. (1 Peter 3:15) steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #56 December 26, 2006 QuoteHaving read many of your posts in many threads it appears as though more people are turned away by your preaching than are turned towards. I have no idea how you could possibly know that. However… QuoteEnter in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14 QuoteIf the goal is to turn more people towards than away then your preaching would be considered a disservice. Depends on whose goal you’re referring. QuoteI am not saying you are wrong or right about your God, I am saying you should think about changing the way you preach. Jesus, Peter, Paul, and the Apostles, always preached law to the proud and grace to the humble (e.g. Jesus with the woman at the well). The gift of the Gospel is never offered before the heart is prepared by the Law (judgment/hell). Jesus spoke more about hell and judgment than heaven and forgiveness in the NT. There’s a reason for that. The Law is a Schoolmaster to bring us to Christ so we might be justified by faith (Galatians 3:24). I think I’ll stick to the example set by Jesus. Quote(There is more to your God than judgement, Heaven, and Hell.) You’re right. There is much more to God. But for you in your unrepentant state, there is only judgment, hell, and punishment. What makes this amazing, however, is that God loves you enough anyway to have suffered and died to pay your penalty. It’s like this. If I offered you $1,000,000 as a gift, it would do you absolutely no good whatsoever unless you accepted and appropriated it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #57 December 26, 2006 QuoteI'd ask: Why is so much hate and anger vented by many who name the name of Christ? When I was young I once heard a preacher say something that has always stuck with me, he said: “Religion gives God a bad name” Perhaps you have religion and spirituality mixed up? -Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #58 December 26, 2006 Quote ecumenism Thats quite a word for skydivers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #59 December 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteHaving read many of your posts in many threads it appears as though more people are turned away by your preaching than are turned towards. I have no idea how you could possibly know that. However… By reading the replies to your posts. QuoteQuoteEnter in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:13-14 QuoteI do not like them in a box. Green Eggs and Ham QuoteQuoteIf the goal is to turn more people towards than away then your preaching would be considered a disservice. Depends on whose goal you’re referring. What is your goal then?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #60 December 26, 2006 QuoteWhat is your goal then? To glorify God. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #61 December 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhat is your goal then? To glorify God. Butters is right. You may wish to re-evaluate your tactics.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #62 December 26, 2006 QuoteButters is right. You may wish to re-evaluate your tactics. Let's see... Jesus says to do one thing. Kallend (and Butters) say to do another. What to do?... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #63 December 26, 2006 At least we 'know' the Prof. exists (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #64 December 26, 2006 QuoteAt least we 'know' the Prof. exists Point? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #65 December 26, 2006 Maybe... just maybe the idea of taking advice/instruction from a source not known to exists could be construed as , well, strange..... perhaps. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,131 #66 December 26, 2006 >Jesus says to do one thing. >Kallend (and Butters) say to do another. >What to do?... Easy. Do what YOU think is right, no matter what others say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #67 December 26, 2006 http://www.religioustolerance.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #68 December 26, 2006 Why did you chose such a backwards time and such a strange land? Or, why would you not create more certainty, why leave it to faith and belief? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #69 December 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteButters is right. You may wish to re-evaluate your tactics. Let's see... Jesus says to do one thing. Kallend (and Butters) say to do another. What to do?... ...and Pastor Steve(orino), who devoutly shares pretty much the same theology as yours, counsels: QuoteI'm reminded of the Apsotle Peter's admonishment to always be ready to give an account for our faith, but to do so with gentleness and respect. (1 Peter 3:15) So we don't get bogged down on the word "respect", perhaps it would be productive to focus on the concept of "gentleness". I'm in the business of persuasion for a living. I've found that while stridency may very well draw a clear line in the sand, gentleness - even though it can be a bit fuzzy - is sometimes more effective at persuasion, or at the very least holding one's audience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,606 #70 December 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteYeah, but these are questions for if you met god, not questions for the MEN who wrote the bible, and what they think about god. Quote"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." 2 Tim. 3:16-17 Quote"for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God." 2 Pet. 1:21 You do understand how useless an argument that was, right?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,606 #71 December 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou know what's weird? When I saw Pulp Fiction I just assumed it was a briefcase full of money without even thinking about it. I mean, they're gangsters, right? I thought it had heroin in it the first time I saw it. But by the end of the movie I realized that they never actually revealed what was in the briefcase, so it was bugging me. Hmm, and according to someone on Wikipedia, "the briefcase contained an orange lightbulb with a battery." Which makes perfect sense. So I guess I'll need to think of a new question for God. Well, first I just thought the golden glow was meant to represent money - but why would Ringo need to say "Is that what I think it is?" when he saw inside it in the cafeteria? Then I thought it must actually be gold, but how did a bunch of college dropouts get hold of a briefcase of gold? Can't say its ever really bugged me though...Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #72 December 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteButters is right. You may wish to re-evaluate your tactics. Let's see... Jesus says to do one thing. Kallend (and Butters) say to do another. What to do?... Jesus taught differently to different people because people learn differently. By limiting the way in which you preach, you are limiting the people that will learn from you. (This same principle goes for teachers.)"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #73 December 27, 2006 QuoteEasy. Do what YOU think is right, no matter what others say. I know. Just being sarcastic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #74 December 27, 2006 QuoteMaybe... just maybe the idea of taking advice/instruction from a source not known to exists could be construed as , well, strange..... perhaps. The idea that Jesus never existed is a fringe idea not taken seriously by most. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #75 December 27, 2006 Quotehttp://www.religioustolerance.org/ I am tolerant of other's beliefs. I respect your wish to believe whatever you want. I just don't have to agree with it and feel free to express why. Thanks for the link though. I already knew of the website. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
