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QuoteTony,
OK. I thought it was obvious in my post....
When parents are forced to pull kids out of college to send them to die, the outcry will be so intense that the war will be ended in weeks.
Now, why do you think that would not be the case?
You seem to be getting ahead of yourself. Wouldn't the public outcry you speak of, be just as loud against any effort to actually reinstate the draft?
Sorry I'm being unusually flippant 
I wrongly assumed that you meant that throwing more kids in would sort the problem by means of force (my bad) - It wasn't too obvious that you meant that there would be an out cry.
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
I wrongly assumed that you meant that throwing more kids in would sort the problem by means of force (my bad) - It wasn't too obvious that you meant that there would be an out cry.
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
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Right! Think how we would have benefitted if Dick Feynman, Alan Turing and John von Neumann had been drafted and set to the front in WWII.
The Manhatten Project may not have been combat duty but was
"military service" in any other sense. There was no ambiguity about
the military objectives behind the project, and any consceincious
objector would have refused this work. These guys were definitely
more efficient to do maximal damage on the battle field than any
other three star general pushing papers at the Pentagon.
Cheers, T
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QuoteQuoteTony,
OK. I thought it was obvious in my post....
When parents are forced to pull kids out of college to send them to die, the outcry will be so intense that the war will be ended in weeks.
Now, why do you think that would not be the case?
You seem to be getting ahead of yourself. Wouldn't the public outcry you speak of, be just as loud against any effort to actually reinstate the draft?
What are Bush's approval numbers now? 30%?
So, you would think a draft would get at least a 30% approval. That seems good enough for the Bushies.
If Americans are not willing to let their children fight, but willing to let SOMEONE ELSE'S kids die for them, what does that say about America?
No more free rides, I say. The benefits of bringing back the draft are numberous, with the most important one being a righting of our foreign policy machine.
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>Wouldn't the public outcry you speak of, be just as loud against any effort
>to actually reinstate the draft?
Perhaps. But the mere effort to protest the draft may well make people think a little more about the side effects of their support of a war like this one. I could see a lot of chickenhawks start to question their own values when they begin protesting efforts to sustain a war they support.
>to actually reinstate the draft?
Perhaps. But the mere effort to protest the draft may well make people think a little more about the side effects of their support of a war like this one. I could see a lot of chickenhawks start to question their own values when they begin protesting efforts to sustain a war they support.
QuoteI could see a lot of chickenhawks start to question their own values when they begin protesting efforts to sustain a war they support.
As would many of the vets who supported the war.
Then again, support for the war in Iraq is pretty low right now. I don't think it's a matter of whether or not we support it, but rather how best to remedy the situation.
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> I don't think it's a matter of whether or not we support it, but rather
>how best to remedy the situation.
I agree. However, a populace that still thinks that a military victory is even possible is going to come to different conclusions than a populace who wishes to see an end to war to save the lives of their children. Their remedies will be correspondingly different, and in a democracy, such views will end up expressed in action (if everything works correctly, that is.)
>how best to remedy the situation.
I agree. However, a populace that still thinks that a military victory is even possible is going to come to different conclusions than a populace who wishes to see an end to war to save the lives of their children. Their remedies will be correspondingly different, and in a democracy, such views will end up expressed in action (if everything works correctly, that is.)
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QuoteQuoteQuotea lot of calls for the draft appear to based more upon some silly class-envy than on reality.
True to a point, but only to a point. I don't think it's all about class envy. I think a lot of it is making a particular point that if certain chickenhawk Senators, Congressmen, cabinet secretaries, top White House aides and Presidents knew that committing this country to armed conflict would result in a near certainty that their own children or grandchildren would serve in a combat zone, maybe they'd think twice about sending SOMEONE ELSE'S 18 year old children into harm's way.
Near certainty? Seems like a bit of a stretch.QuoteBush has 2 daughters of military age. I don't see them hurrying into uniform to set an example.
Why should they? Is there some reason why they should be held to a different standard, in volunteering to join the military, than everyone else?
Maybe it should be required for holding office in Congress or President or the President's cabinet: Your children or grandchildren (depending on age) get immediately drafted when you take office.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotea lot of calls for the draft appear to based more upon some silly class-envy than on reality.
True to a point, but only to a point. I don't think it's all about class envy. I think a lot of it is making a particular point that if certain chickenhawk Senators, Congressmen, cabinet secretaries, top White House aides and Presidents knew that committing this country to armed conflict would result in a near certainty that their own children or grandchildren would serve in a combat zone, maybe they'd think twice about sending SOMEONE ELSE'S 18 year old children into harm's way.
Near certainty? Seems like a bit of a stretch.QuoteBush has 2 daughters of military age. I don't see them hurrying into uniform to set an example.
Why should they? Is there some reason why they should be held to a different standard, in volunteering to join the military, than everyone else?
Maybe it should be required for holding office in Congress or President or the President's cabinet: Your children or grandchildren (depending on age) get immediately drafted when you take office.
Gee - maybe we should go the REST of the way back to the Middle Ages and exchange hostages...
Mike
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OK. I thought it was obvious in my post....
When parents are forced to pull kids out of college to send them to die, the outcry will be so intense that the war will be ended in weeks.
Now, why do you think that would not be the case?
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