rehmwa 2 #26 December 20, 2006 QuoteAlso, do you want to see people on their jobs all screwed-up on drugs? If we legalize, could employers then choose to hire or fire based on whether the employee is a user (casual or otherwise)? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #27 December 20, 2006 QuoteAlso, do you want to see people on their jobs all screwed-up on drugs? Are people currently allowed on their jobs while under the influence of alcohol? No. QuoteIf we legalize, could employers then choose to hire or fire based on whether the employee is a user (casual or otherwise)? Only if an employer is allowed to hire or fire based on other legal employee choices, do they drink alcohol, do they smoke tobacco, to they own a firearm, ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #28 December 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteAlso, do you want to see people on their jobs all screwed-up on drugs? Are people currently allowed on their jobs while under the influence of alcohol? No. QuoteIf we legalize, could employers then choose to hire or fire based on whether the employee is a user (casual or otherwise)? Only if an employer is allowed to hire or fire based on other legal employee choices, do the drink alcohol, do they smoke tobacco, to they own a firearm, ... That's already started...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #29 December 20, 2006 QuoteWhen you say "be able utilize one's drug of choice" "or anything else" and "There is no victim". I'd have to disagree. Have you ever been around anyone on crack or meth? A lot of drug users can't really afford the shit and so, they turn to car burglary, breaking into homes, whatever they have to do to get the money for more. In the end, there are victims. Those who got broken into and robbed. Not to mention the personality changes as a result of the crack or meth. Also, do you want to see people on their jobs all screwed-up on drugs? Folks driving around smoking weed, doin' crack and etc. If, someone wants to do a little weed, in their own homes, I don't see a problem. It's the fact that too many folks are going to take it too many steps farther. I once had a Columbian friend tell me that a gram of coke, which has a street value of about $100, has a value of about $.10 at the source. I am fairly certain that if legalized, there would not be a 1000x markup on coke. That means that coke related crime would very likely plummet if coke were legal. As far as driving under the influence of cannabis, there have been multiple credible studies which indicate that cannabis has a smaller effect on a user's ability to drive as an over the counter cold medicine (used as directed). There's no reason to be any more worried about someone driving while under the influence of pot than thee is to worry about someone driving while under the influence of Sudafed. The fact is, most illegal drugs do not make the user stupid or sloppy as alcohol has a tendency to do.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #30 December 20, 2006 Quote MJ needs lots of sun. At the same time, deer & rabbits love cannabis, so it's hard not to lose your crop. The very best ganga comes from grow rooms where plants are exposed to significantly more light than they would receive from the sun. I would expect that many would grow their own high grade stuff, but would buy commercial grade stuff from the store.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #31 December 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteAlso, do you want to see people on their jobs all screwed-up on drugs? If we legalize, could employers then choose to hire or fire based on whether the employee is a user (casual or otherwise)? That is what we do now. Personally, I believe most employers would find that drug users cost less via accidents, time of, etc. than do alcohol users.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #32 December 20, 2006 QuotePersonally, I believe most employers would find that drug users cost less via accidents, time of, etc. than do alcohol users. what are you smoking? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #33 December 20, 2006 Quotewhat are you smoking? Nothing this early in the day. Why?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #34 December 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteAlso, do you want to see people on their jobs all screwed-up on drugs? If we legalize, could employers then choose to hire or fire based on whether the employee is a user (casual or otherwise)? _______________________________ They are doing that now. via 'pop whizzes'. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #35 December 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhen you say "be able utilize one's drug of choice" "or anything else" and "There is no victim". I'd have to disagree. Have you ever been around anyone on crack or meth? A lot of drug users can't really afford the shit and so, they turn to car burglary, breaking into homes, whatever they have to do to get the money for more. In the end, there are victims. Those who got broken into and robbed. Not to mention the personality changes as a result of the crack or meth. Also, do you want to see people on their jobs all screwed-up on drugs? Folks driving around smoking weed, doin' crack and etc. If, someone wants to do a little weed, in their own homes, I don't see a problem. It's the fact that too many folks are going to take it too many steps farther. I once had a Columbian friend tell me that a gram of coke, which has a street value of about $100, has a value of about $.10 at the source. I am fairly certain that if legalized, there would not be a 1000x markup on coke. That means that coke related crime would very likely plummet if coke were legal. As far as driving under the influence of cannabis, there have been multiple credible studies which indicate that cannabis has a smaller effect on a user's ability to drive as an over the counter cold medicine (used as directed). There's no reason to be any more worried about someone driving while under the influence of pot than thee is to worry about someone driving while under the influence of Sudafed. The fact is, most illegal drugs do not make the user stupid or sloppy as alcohol has a tendency to do. _________________________________ You mean to tell me that, someone swacked-out on crack is less a danger than a drunk? Have you ever seen anyone on meth? Heroin? I don't know where you get your information but it sure differs from what I've 'seen' and read. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #36 December 20, 2006 Quote MJ needs lots of sun. At the same time, deer & rabbits love cannabis, so it's hard not to lose your crop.Jeesh. Ever hear of indoor hydroponic pot. What century are you living in? I don't do drugs anymore but I do read alot. Best shit around so I hearI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #37 December 20, 2006 QuoteYou mean to tell me that, someone swacked-out on crack is less a danger than a drunk? Have you ever seen anyone on meth? Heroin? I don't know where you get your information but it sure differs from what I've 'seen' and read. Yes, that is what I am saying. I've known and seen addiction from all kinds of drugs. I would bet a dollar against a donut that I have been witness to far more drug use than you have, judging by your posts. I have also read quite a few scientific studies on the subject, although I admittedly avoid the propaganda, except to see ludicrous examples of how dangerous drugs are.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #38 December 20, 2006 There are alot more smokers out there than you all think... Some one up on the post said, what if people are using drugs on work site,,, people are actually high all the time,, ever wonder about your co-worker who has to hit the bathroom every 20 min, and had sinus problem for years now,,, person is a coke addict,, dude with red eye who is eating Cheetos? stoner... Marijuana is everywhere.....I've been seeing weed since middle school.. and I live in one of the safest city in nation they say... Drive through 5 freeway after school,,, you'll see ton of kids smoking on the freeway while driving,,, one of the safest place not to get caught by cops..... People who is smoking weed are going to smoke weed regardless of law... I went to a Roger Waters concert that was in Hollywood bowl,, so many people were smoking at same time, whole Hollywood bowl smelled like Kush.. If there are no smoker out there,, smoke shop wouldn't sell 2000 dollar bong... this bong had 5 chamber made out of clear glass, it was art.... I hope that one day, we can all pass the peace pipe along the bonfire at DZ after a long day of jumping... add acoustic guitar with some beer to chase cottonmouth.. just imagine dude... if you finish jumping early you can hit the bong, and watch people swoop....sick.......... and where did you come up with an idea that o=35 bucks??? normal pricing my area g=20 8er=45-75 quad=90-120 o=250-400 cutie=950-1050 hp=1750-2000 p= 3750-5000Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #39 December 20, 2006 QuoteWhat bullshit. Legalization advocates just want to get fucked up. Their concern begins and ends at their own buzz. There's no altruism here, just narcissism. Since you seem to be the expert, why is it exactly that marijuana is illegal and alcohol is legal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #40 December 20, 2006 Reason for being illegal 1.alot more goverment officials drink alchohol and not that many people smoke... people who doensn't smoke doesn't really care about the issue,, they don't wanna deal with bullshit, so they just make it illegal.. 2. They can't prove that you are driving under infulence... if weed were legal, you can always argue to judge that you smoked last night and that is why i failed the piss test.. vs alchohol, stays in your system for short peorid of time. 3. I've heard people say this,, they won't legalize it because it is very hard to tax, due to everyone can grow it,, but i find this theory very flawed,, not everyone will buy growing equipment, clip the bud out,,, go through a drying process, giving right amount of nutrients and ferterlizer, people will just buy,, most of them don't have time to grow... @.. even if we make it legal we shouldn't lower the price drastically.. and I'm THE EXPERT,, i have d-420 lincence in weedBernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #41 December 20, 2006 Quoteand I'm THE EXPERT,, i have d-420 lincence in weed with that username, we NEVER would have guessed.... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #42 December 20, 2006 QuoteThey can't prove that you are driving under infulence... if weed were legal, you can always argue to judge that you smoked last night and that is why i failed the piss test.. vs alchohol, stays in your system for short peorid of time. That's not right on a handful of points. Firstly, if you're under the influence, be it alcohol or some narcotic, its relatively easy to detect through the use of observation and then the SFSTs. Secondly, there is no "piss test" its a blood draw in cases of supicision of narcotics for the influencing substance. That can be shown, by the concentration in your blood, if you were legally under the influence or not. It doesn't matter *when* you took the drug, if you're still under the influence to the point of being illegal to operate a motor vehicle, then you're still under the influence. Quoteand I'm THE EXPERT,, i have d-420 lincence in weed Just like most of the pot-head activist types, you didn't get your information from true and trusted sources, you got your information from head-shops and magazines. I'm not going to publicly state my opinion on the matter of question in this thread; however, being the "expert" you are I'm sure you would like to have a litte more true information, hence my post.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #43 December 20, 2006 It is not easy to dectect someone under influnce, what about my 4 years in high school,, no teacher ever suspected me,,, don't really remember my 4 years,, that is why sometime out on street someone will go "hey whut up".. and i go "who are you?" and what is SFSTs....and when you do any kind of testing, blood, urine, hair, saliva, sperm, feces, it will show old traces of drugs.. so are you guilty when you smoked days ago, and test will show more than 1 nanogram traces of THC???? and your columbian friend is ripping you off by selling gr for $100, you can buy 8 ball for that price.. BTW who really has d-420??? No matter how much we bitch and fight about it here it is not gonna solve anything,, im sick of this so im going skydiving, if you wanna see person stay high come on out,, i could probably manage to fall at 105-100 ish... im 6-6 and i weigh 175,, I STAY HIGH, and I RULE,, and I'm getting wing suit..Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #44 December 20, 2006 Quote don't really remember my 4 years,, that is why sometime out on street someone will go "hey whut up".. and i go "who are you?" Yup... perfectly harmless, alright....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #45 December 20, 2006 Quotet is not easy to dectect someone under influnce Actually yes, yes it is VERY easy when you're sober. Its even easier if someone is trained on how to look for it. Quoteand what is SFSTs.... Standardized Field Sobriety Tests. Quoteso are you guilty when you smoked days ago, and test will show more than 1 nanogram traces of THC???? A not guilty or guilty verdict will be determined by a jury of your peers. That doesn't mean that you won't be arrest and you won't end up having to spend a lot of money trying to prove that you had smoked out the night before and not the day that you were driving in such a manner that the law was suspicious of possible DWI. Then explain how you failed the SFSTs and why the blood draw showed more then trace elements of a narcotic. You really need to read some case studies on DWI as well as read the actual laws for your state. All of the ones that apply. Then you need to read what ever code of conduct govern the law enforcement in your state so you know what they (the law) is able to do and not able to do. If you want to make intelligent arguements for your cause, you really should do some research and learn more then just what you hear at head-shops and read in magazines. Simply because most of the time, that information is wrong.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #46 December 20, 2006 QuoteReason for being illegal 1.alot more goverment officials drink alchohol and not that many people smoke... people who doensn't smoke doesn't really care about the issue,, they don't wanna deal with bullshit, so they just make it illegal.. 2. They can't prove that you are driving under infulence... if weed were legal, you can always argue to judge that you smoked last night and that is why i failed the piss test.. vs alchohol, stays in your system for short peorid of time. 3. I've heard people say this,, they won't legalize it because it is very hard to tax, due to everyone can grow it,, but i find this theory very flawed,, not everyone will buy growing equipment, clip the bud out,,, go through a drying process, giving right amount of nutrients and ferterlizer, people will just buy,, most of them don't have time to grow... @.. even if we make it legal we shouldn't lower the price drastically.. and I'm THE EXPERT,, i have d-420 lincence in weed Actually you could use a refresher on your history. Marijuana originally became illegal because of propaganda stating that it made people violent. This was later changed to the exact opposite, marijuana made people to passive. Neither of these were the real issues, the real issues at the time were that the majority of users were minorities and that the effects of marijuana did not appear to coincide with the culture of productivity. Currently alcohol, tobacco, and pharmacutical companies spend large amounts of money in lobbying to keep it illegal. (The pharmacutical companies were also able to halt marijuana research and obtain exclusive rights on attempting to synthesize the active chemicals in marijuana.)"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #47 December 20, 2006 I never said it is harmless,, i don't think it kills brain cells but it kills totally kills your memory and make you lazy.. but i can study better and get better grade when im high... all those history and science really come alive...it gets really intersting..but down side is that you kinda have to read it twice... cuz you'll forget half way down the page...,, seriously people,, im out, ill be back around 6 ish,, have to drive to DZ,,Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #48 December 20, 2006 Bible talks about weed too.. Now im going into sensitive area here.. Throughout the Bible the ancient patriarchs were brought into communion with God through smoking incense and at Mt. Sinai God talked to Moses out of a bush that burned with fire (Exodus 3:1-12). After Moses brought the Israelite people out of Egypt he returned to Mt. Sinai at which time God made a covenant with Moses in which the Ten Commandments were revealed. Exodus 19:8 describes the conditions at the time of this covenant. Exodus 19:8 "And Mount Sinai was altogether on smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly. The Mysterious smoke mentioned in the covenant on Mt. Sinai is also referred to as a cloud: Exodus 24:15 "And Moses went up into the mount, and a cloud covered the mount. 16 And the glory of the Lord abode upon Mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud." What the hell other then weed bush does that to you?? if I was in mountain full of weed smoke for six days, I'll probably come down the mountain with ten commendment too.. God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth.…To you it will be for meat." … And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:29-31 Now people are so gonna bitch at me about this...Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #49 December 20, 2006 > Legalization advocates just want to get fucked up. I think it should be legal. Hardest drug I've ever done is alcohol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #50 December 20, 2006 and where did you come up with an idea that o=35 bucks??? normal pricing my area g=20 8er=45-75 quad=90-120 o=250-400 cutie=950-1050 hp=1750-2000 p= 3750-5000 ___________________________________ You must have my post confused with someone elses. I never quoted any prices. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
