SpeedRacer 1 #1 December 19, 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6193073.stm seems to me we're missing out on a big source of tax revenue here, & pissing away a lot of money trying to enforce the ban. Fixed this paragraph from the article: QuoteBut Tom Riley, a spokesman for the Office of National Drug Control Policy who would lose his job if marijuana were banned, rejected any economic arguments for legalising marijuana saying marijuana use was an "inherently harmful activity". Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #2 December 20, 2006 I'm all for eliminating prohibition, and don't believe it needs to be justified with potential tax revenue. Having said that, I have to wonder how they came up with the $35bn figure. If it was obtained using current street prices, the number after legalization would likely be less than a tenth of that amount.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #3 December 20, 2006 $35 per ounce? Doubt it. I can see it getting down to $240 but it doesn't matter as people would grow it themselves.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #4 December 20, 2006 Quote$35 per ounce? Doubt it. I can see it getting down to $240 but it doesn't matter as people would grow it themselves. ??? Where did you get $35 per oz? Nevermind. Stupid question. For high grade stuff down here $350 per ounce is a very good price for those in the market. $400 is not unheard of. Personally, I've never grown, so I don't know what the cost per ounce is for an indoor grower. I was thinking more along the lines of the regular commercial grade stuff. If legalized, I could easily see an ounce go from $80-$120 per ounce to $8-$12 per ounce or less, pre tax. High grade would probably remain about four times as expensive.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #5 December 20, 2006 Quote$35 per ounce? Doubt it. Pipe tobacco is $10 an ounce. Quote I can see it getting down to $240 but it doesn't matter as people would grow it themselves. I've paid $5.50 (Seattle is not cheap) for a bomber of my favorite micro-brewed beer even though I could brew my own whole grain beer for $1-$2. It's just not worth the effort. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #6 December 20, 2006 >even though I could brew my own whole grain beer for $1-$2. Uh, isn't most beer "whole grain?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #7 December 20, 2006 Quote$80-$120 per ounce where is this??? Back in the early '80s we (this would be a hypothetical, generic sort of "we") were paying $40 for a 1/4 ounce! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #8 December 20, 2006 Quote>even though I could brew my own whole grain beer for $1-$2. Uh, isn't most beer "whole grain?" Many home brews begin as commercial malt extract instead of whole malted barley; sort of like coffee prepared at home can come from instant crystals or be brewed from beans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #9 December 20, 2006 Yes, and usually the phrase used by homebrewers is "an all-grain brew" as opposed to "an extract brew" Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #10 December 20, 2006 QuoteQuote$80-$120 per ounce where is this??? Back in the early '80s we (this would be a hypothetical, generic sort of "we") were paying $40 for a 1/4 ounce! $40 quarter usually indicates about $120 ounce. $25-$35 quarters are not uncommon in Florida, I hear .Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #11 December 20, 2006 http://www.marijuanaprices.homestead.com/ The good old days. The 70's. $20 ounces of the best Columbian Red Bud and $2 a hit for 4 way window pane Cocaine and Meth? What the hell is that?I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #12 December 20, 2006 What bullshit. Legalization advocates just want to get fucked up. Their concern begins and ends at their own buzz. There's no altruism here, just narcissism.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #13 December 20, 2006 QuoteWhat bullshit. Legalization advocates just want to get fucked up. Their concern begins and ends at their own buzz. There's no altruism here, just narcissism. I know quite a few people who advocate full legalization, but do not use drugs. Your brush might be a little too broad. Having said that, there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be able to utilize one's drug of choice, whether it be alcohol, cannabis, or anything else, without worry of arrest. There is no victim, except the person who ends up with a conviction.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #14 December 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhat bullshit. Legalization advocates just want to get fucked up. Their concern begins and ends at their own buzz. There's no altruism here, just narcissism. I know quite a few people who advocate full legalization, but do not use drugs. Your brush might be a little too broad. He is not too far from the mark. I always get a laugh when people talk about all the wonderfull things that would occur if we could legalise it. For example here in Canada people always made the argument that taxing it could pay down the debt (since clearly tax revenues from drugs would not be squandered by our government like they do with all other tax revenues). I have no objection to the idea of legalization but i really wish advocates would use sensible arguments based on the relative harmlessness of marijuana. Instead all i hear is how if we legalise we can tax and then, end organised crime, pay down national debt, clothe and feed the poor, cure cancer, cause the stars to align resulting in peace on earth...etc. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,610 #15 December 20, 2006 QuoteWhat bullshit. Legalization advocates just want to get fucked up. Their concern begins and ends at their own buzz. There's no altruism here, just narcissism. Bollocks. I don't smoke dope and I won't when it becomes legal (yes, when). However I support legalisation based on how bloody harmless it is. It gets you far less fucked up and does less long term damage than drugs easily available from your local corner shop. Someone on marijuana is monumentally less likely to commit a violent crime than someone who's boozed up, similarly while someone can drink themselves to death in one night there is no lethal dose of marijuana. Long term health risks from tobacco currently seem greater than those of marijuana as well. All this added to the draconian punishments for marijuana use means that peoples lives are being wrecked by the system, not than the drug.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skysurfer_Rob 0 #16 December 20, 2006 Marijuana lowers sperm count. Lower sperm count = fewer stupid people reproducing Fewer stupid people reproducing = fewer stupid children in the world Fewer stupid children in the world = fewer stupid people reproducing It's the perfect cycle to ending stupidity in the world hehe"Though I Fly Through the Valley of Death, I Shall Fear No Evil...For I am at 80,000 Feet and Climbing." SR-71 hangar entrance sign at Kadena AFB, Japan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Butters 0 #17 December 20, 2006 It would be extremely hard to tax (and regulate) because it is a plant that can be grown by almost anyone and everyone, almost anwhere and everywhere. However, there is still a tax advantage because the budget for law enforcement, jails, and prisons will decrease. Which is why law enforcement is against legalization, their budget will decrease and they will lose their jobs."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #18 December 20, 2006 You can brew beer at home & not pay any tax revenue on it. But it IS interesting that they didn't legalize homemade beer or wine until 1978! In the end, no one lost any money. Most people won't bother brewing, those who do homebrew also tend to buy a lot of expensive craft-brewed beer. If MJ was legalized, it would only cost about $10 per ounce & so most people would buy it rather than go to all the trouble of growing it themselves. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #19 December 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhat bullshit. Legalization advocates just want to get fucked up. Their concern begins and ends at their own buzz. There's no altruism here, just narcissism. I know quite a few people who advocate full legalization, but do not use drugs. Your brush might be a little too broad. Having said that, there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be able to utilize one's drug of choice, whether it be alcohol, cannabis, or anything else, without worry of arrest. There is no victim, except the person who ends up with a conviction. __________________________________ When you say "be able utilize one's drug of choice" "or anything else" and "There is no victim". I'd have to disagree. Have you ever been around anyone on crack or meth? A lot of drug users can't really afford the shit and so, they turn to car burglary, breaking into homes, whatever they have to do to get the money for more. In the end, there are victims. Those who got broken into and robbed. Not to mention the personality changes as a result of the crack or meth. Also, do you want to see people on their jobs all screwed-up on drugs? Folks driving around smoking weed, doin' crack and etc. If, someone wants to do a little weed, in their own homes, I don't see a problem. It's the fact that too many folks are going to take it too many steps farther. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Butters 0 #20 December 20, 2006 QuoteIn the end, no one lost any money. Most people won't bother brewing, those who do homebrew also tend to buy a lot of expensive craft-brewed beer. This is because brewing your own beer is expensive and is not easy. QuoteIf MJ was legalized, it would only cost about $10 per ounce & so most people would buy it rather than go to all the trouble of growing it themselves. Considering that marijuana can be grown by almost anyone and everyone, almost anywhere and everywhere for $0.01 per ounce I believe many people would grow it rather than buy it."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #21 December 20, 2006 MJ needs lots of sun. At the same time, deer & rabbits love cannabis, so it's hard not to lose your crop. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Butters 0 #22 December 20, 2006 QuoteWhen you say "be able utilize one's drug of choice" "or anything else" and "There is no victim". I'd have to disagree. Have you ever been around anyone on crack or meth? A lot of drug users can't really afford the shit and so, they turn to car burglary, breaking into homes, whatever they have to do to get the money for more. In the end, there are victims. Those who got broken into and robbed. Not to mention the personality changes as a result of the crack or meth. Also, do you want to see people on their jobs all screwed-up on drugs? Folks driving around smoking weed, doin' crack and etc. If, someone wants to do a little weed, in their own homes, I don't see a problem. It's the fact that too many folks are going to take it too many steps farther. Chuck Agreed. The difference is that there are drugs (low addictive properties and minimal long term side effects) that can be used by responsible adults for recreation, religion, and medication and then there are all the other drugs."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #23 December 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhen you say "be able utilize one's drug of choice" "or anything else" and "There is no victim". I'd have to disagree. Have you ever been around anyone on crack or meth? A lot of drug users can't really afford the shit and so, they turn to car burglary, breaking into homes, whatever they have to do to get the money for more. In the end, there are victims. Those who got broken into and robbed. Not to mention the personality changes as a result of the crack or meth. Also, do you want to see people on their jobs all screwed-up on drugs? Folks driving around smoking weed, doin' crack and etc. If, someone wants to do a little weed, in their own homes, I don't see a problem. It's the fact that too many folks are going to take it too many steps farther. Chuck Agreed. The difference is that there are drugs (low addictive properties and minimal long term side effects) that can be used by responsible adults for recreation, religion, and medication and then there are all the other drugs. __________________________________ That's all well and good if, it were to stay with 'responsible adults. Invariably, that stuff is going to get to irresponsible adults and kids. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #24 December 20, 2006 the irresponsible adults & kids are already using, regardless of the law. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #25 December 20, 2006 Quotethe irresponsible adults & kids are already using, regardless of the law. _____________________________ There ya' go! I know of a guy, who was growing some weed 'for personal use'. I heard that he was really 'up-set' recently. 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jakee 1,610 #15 December 20, 2006 QuoteWhat bullshit. Legalization advocates just want to get fucked up. Their concern begins and ends at their own buzz. There's no altruism here, just narcissism. Bollocks. I don't smoke dope and I won't when it becomes legal (yes, when). However I support legalisation based on how bloody harmless it is. It gets you far less fucked up and does less long term damage than drugs easily available from your local corner shop. Someone on marijuana is monumentally less likely to commit a violent crime than someone who's boozed up, similarly while someone can drink themselves to death in one night there is no lethal dose of marijuana. Long term health risks from tobacco currently seem greater than those of marijuana as well. All this added to the draconian punishments for marijuana use means that peoples lives are being wrecked by the system, not than the drug.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skysurfer_Rob 0 #16 December 20, 2006 Marijuana lowers sperm count. Lower sperm count = fewer stupid people reproducing Fewer stupid people reproducing = fewer stupid children in the world Fewer stupid children in the world = fewer stupid people reproducing It's the perfect cycle to ending stupidity in the world hehe"Though I Fly Through the Valley of Death, I Shall Fear No Evil...For I am at 80,000 Feet and Climbing." SR-71 hangar entrance sign at Kadena AFB, Japan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #17 December 20, 2006 It would be extremely hard to tax (and regulate) because it is a plant that can be grown by almost anyone and everyone, almost anwhere and everywhere. However, there is still a tax advantage because the budget for law enforcement, jails, and prisons will decrease. Which is why law enforcement is against legalization, their budget will decrease and they will lose their jobs."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #18 December 20, 2006 You can brew beer at home & not pay any tax revenue on it. But it IS interesting that they didn't legalize homemade beer or wine until 1978! In the end, no one lost any money. Most people won't bother brewing, those who do homebrew also tend to buy a lot of expensive craft-brewed beer. If MJ was legalized, it would only cost about $10 per ounce & so most people would buy it rather than go to all the trouble of growing it themselves. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #19 December 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhat bullshit. Legalization advocates just want to get fucked up. Their concern begins and ends at their own buzz. There's no altruism here, just narcissism. I know quite a few people who advocate full legalization, but do not use drugs. Your brush might be a little too broad. Having said that, there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be able to utilize one's drug of choice, whether it be alcohol, cannabis, or anything else, without worry of arrest. There is no victim, except the person who ends up with a conviction. __________________________________ When you say "be able utilize one's drug of choice" "or anything else" and "There is no victim". I'd have to disagree. Have you ever been around anyone on crack or meth? A lot of drug users can't really afford the shit and so, they turn to car burglary, breaking into homes, whatever they have to do to get the money for more. In the end, there are victims. Those who got broken into and robbed. Not to mention the personality changes as a result of the crack or meth. Also, do you want to see people on their jobs all screwed-up on drugs? Folks driving around smoking weed, doin' crack and etc. If, someone wants to do a little weed, in their own homes, I don't see a problem. It's the fact that too many folks are going to take it too many steps farther. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #20 December 20, 2006 QuoteIn the end, no one lost any money. Most people won't bother brewing, those who do homebrew also tend to buy a lot of expensive craft-brewed beer. This is because brewing your own beer is expensive and is not easy. QuoteIf MJ was legalized, it would only cost about $10 per ounce & so most people would buy it rather than go to all the trouble of growing it themselves. Considering that marijuana can be grown by almost anyone and everyone, almost anywhere and everywhere for $0.01 per ounce I believe many people would grow it rather than buy it."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #21 December 20, 2006 MJ needs lots of sun. At the same time, deer & rabbits love cannabis, so it's hard not to lose your crop. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #22 December 20, 2006 QuoteWhen you say "be able utilize one's drug of choice" "or anything else" and "There is no victim". I'd have to disagree. Have you ever been around anyone on crack or meth? A lot of drug users can't really afford the shit and so, they turn to car burglary, breaking into homes, whatever they have to do to get the money for more. In the end, there are victims. Those who got broken into and robbed. Not to mention the personality changes as a result of the crack or meth. Also, do you want to see people on their jobs all screwed-up on drugs? Folks driving around smoking weed, doin' crack and etc. If, someone wants to do a little weed, in their own homes, I don't see a problem. It's the fact that too many folks are going to take it too many steps farther. Chuck Agreed. The difference is that there are drugs (low addictive properties and minimal long term side effects) that can be used by responsible adults for recreation, religion, and medication and then there are all the other drugs."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #23 December 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhen you say "be able utilize one's drug of choice" "or anything else" and "There is no victim". I'd have to disagree. Have you ever been around anyone on crack or meth? A lot of drug users can't really afford the shit and so, they turn to car burglary, breaking into homes, whatever they have to do to get the money for more. In the end, there are victims. Those who got broken into and robbed. Not to mention the personality changes as a result of the crack or meth. Also, do you want to see people on their jobs all screwed-up on drugs? Folks driving around smoking weed, doin' crack and etc. If, someone wants to do a little weed, in their own homes, I don't see a problem. It's the fact that too many folks are going to take it too many steps farther. Chuck Agreed. The difference is that there are drugs (low addictive properties and minimal long term side effects) that can be used by responsible adults for recreation, religion, and medication and then there are all the other drugs. __________________________________ That's all well and good if, it were to stay with 'responsible adults. Invariably, that stuff is going to get to irresponsible adults and kids. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #24 December 20, 2006 the irresponsible adults & kids are already using, regardless of the law. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #25 December 20, 2006 Quotethe irresponsible adults & kids are already using, regardless of the law. _____________________________ There ya' go! I know of a guy, who was growing some weed 'for personal use'. I heard that he was really 'up-set' recently. Seems as though, beetles got into his crop and ate it all! Chuck Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
