Royd 0 #1 December 19, 2006 If so many people on this website recognize the stupidity and danger of PC, how and why does it continue to exist? That's assuming that we are a solid cross section of society. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #2 December 19, 2006 I'm in favour of recognising diversity and trying to prevent discrimination but I hate political correctness for the sake of it.. I think its important to draw a distinction Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,483 #3 December 19, 2006 QuoteI'm in favour of recognising diversity and trying to prevent discrimination Interesting. I'm in favor of recognizing "unity" to prevent discrimination. Diversity reflects on differences. Unity reflects on similarities. But, that's my own version of PC... Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #4 December 19, 2006 QuoteI'm in favour of recognising diversity and trying to prevent discrimination but I hate political correctness for the sake of it.. I think its important to draw a distinction I believe that the majority are bieng held hostage by the few. As seen in the thread about the English serial murderer, the word prostitute is now inappropriate to describe a prostitute. We can't call someone fat. Obese is becoming a dirty word. How about calorically challenged? First it was Negro, then Black, and now African American. We have to have a fancy word for everyone who does a dirty or lowly job just to boost their ego. It seems to be snowballing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #5 December 19, 2006 QuoteIf so many people on this website recognize the stupidity and danger of PC, how and why does it continue to exist? Why? Because most people only take offense at PCness when it defends something they think is stupid. Whenever it gives their pet causes "taboo/this is off limits" status, they are all for it. It seems like the same people who preach about tolerance and "embracing diversity" are pretty intolerant and unaccepting of conservative causes. I read something recently that said the modern PC concept of tolerance doesn't hold water. Instead, we should strive to adhere to a more traditional form of tolerance, which was summed up with: "Be egalitarian regarding persons. Be elitist regarding ideas." To put it another way - Be civil and respectful to everyone, but vigorously defend your beliefs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #6 December 19, 2006 QuoteTo put it another way - Be civil and respectful to everyone, but vigorously defend your beliefs. Well said and very true!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #7 December 19, 2006 QuoteIf so many people on this website recognize the stupidity and danger of PC, how and why does it continue to exist? That's assuming that we are a solid cross section of society. Personally, I miss being called a "honkey" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #8 December 19, 2006 The original idea to be politically correct to those issues that someone does not have a choice in is good. The current idea to be politically correct to those issues that someone does have a choice in is bad."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #9 December 19, 2006 QuoteIf so many people on this website recognize the stupidity and danger of PC, how and why does it continue to exist? While it is true Macs are clearly superior to PCs, Microsoft is a large corporation with many resources to help them maintain a dominant market share with Windows. Also, Linux and FreeBSD can be run on PCs. In fairness, there is hope that Windows Vista will offer PC users similar security and features that Mac users have known for years. I would have to vote "or not." Get a Mac. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #10 December 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteIf so many people on this website recognize the stupidity and danger of PC, how and why does it continue to exist? That's assuming that we are a solid cross section of society. Personally, I miss being called a "honkey" Hey Honkey. That's Cracker to you. We in the deeeep south don't ya knowI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #11 December 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf so many people on this website recognize the stupidity and danger of PC, how and why does it continue to exist? That's assuming that we are a solid cross section of society. Personally, I miss being called a "honkey" Hey Honkey. That's Cracker to you. We in the deeeep south don't ya know What type of cracker? Saltine, Graham, ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #12 December 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteTo put it another way - Be civil and respectful to everyone, but vigorously defend your beliefs. Well said and very true!! well said indeed funny, my personal observations is that PC is the anti-"Be civil and respectful to everyone" initiative whatever good intentions started the movement, it has become the opposite. funny how that happens all the time ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #13 December 19, 2006 QuoteI'm in favour of recognising diversity funny.... "diversity" has developed into an acknowledgment of preconceived differences in cultural norms across such things as: race, nationality, sex, religion, etc. All those things we are "supposed" to ignore. Diversity has become a celebration of racism, sexism etc. The drive to be "blind" to the cosmetic has strangely resulted in just the opposite, an almost paranoid sensitivity. IMO - The important diversity is the difference between individuals. I think it's too bad that you could take two people of the exact same race, sex and religion, who have completely different personalities, and not recognize the differences they have as individuals and their ability to contribute and be creative, etc. The only thing worth celebrating is individual and team achievement. Creating artificial boundaries and drawing artificial lines in the sand is actually kind of sad. And we wonder why we are taking so long overcoming some of these boundaries in the civilized world. I think it's because we have a hang up on them. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #14 December 19, 2006 QuoteIMO - The important diversity is the difference between individuals. I think it's too bad that you could take two people of the exact same race, sex and religion, who have completely different personalities, and not recognize the differences they have as individuals and their ability to contribute and be creative, etc. The only thing worth celebrating is individual and team achievement. Creating artificial boundaries and drawing artificial lines in the sand is actually kind of sad. On a similar note, whenever there are mixed communities there is the possibility of friction between those communities. Through open dialogue these differences can be worked out but PC prevents such dialogue. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #15 December 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'm in favour of recognising diversity and trying to prevent discrimination but I hate political correctness for the sake of it.. I think its important to draw a distinction PC only serves to stifle constructive debate, and force people to submit to radical agendas. For example, while I support the right of gays to marry, I have been accused of supporting intolerance because I agree with the right of the church to not participate in gay marriages (freedom of religion). On a similar note I have been quite critical of Canada's immigration policy and during debates on the issue I have been called a white supremist xenophobe (the fact that my wife is a landed immigrant and a visible minority seems to be lost on the idiots accusing me being a nazi). Criticism of the existing policy gets interpreted as criticism of immigrants and is therefore Un-Canadian (not PC) and is immediately jumped on. PC is all about intimidating people into submitting to some particular agenda. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #16 December 19, 2006 44 years old, 3rd year back in college, and they call me a "mature non-traditional student". I actually prefer what most classmates call me...."old man". Political correctness attempts to minimize the diversity that is the strength of our society. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #17 December 19, 2006 Diversity is about identifying peoples cultural/behavioural backgrounds and treating them accordingly, not tip toeing around them, just being aware. Like when you walk into some religious place with your muddy shoes on and are unwashed expect to cause offence. I dont think thats unreasonable. Discriminating against them because of their beliefs would also not be reasonable. Now if by cancelling christmas and being 'politically correct' our own culture is deprived of its festivities then that is wrong too. They really are different things Interesting side note: Everyone is prejudiced. Sooner you realise where your possibly irrational preconceived notions come from and who they are targetted at, the quicker you wioll be able to be more rasonable in your approach to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #18 December 19, 2006 I don't need laws, and unreasonable societal pressure, to learn a few words and basic cultural cues when traveling to another country. Or even to be a good host to those visiting me. It's just the right thing to do. And I should expect the same courtesy in return. That's what you are talking about and I completely agree with it. Over here, I hate to say it, Richards seems to vocalize it best about what PC is evolved into. It's about pushing agendas based on bias and devaluing the larger cultures. It's about one way respect, not two way...... edit: isn't it amazing how much political agenda is about forcing "common" courtesy onto the populace and then how that effort is exploited - courtesy isn't very common is it? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #19 December 19, 2006 To no one in particular, but I see a lot of different examples being brought forward as supposed PC. Can some one define Political Correctness for me, so we can all talk about the same thing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #20 December 19, 2006 sorry, can't that's the problem good question though ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #21 December 19, 2006 QuoteInteresting side note: Everyone is prejudiced. Sooner you realise where your possibly irrational preconceived notions come from and who they are targetted at, the quicker you wioll be able to be more rasonable in your approach to them. Are you saying that all prejudices are irrational and unreasonable? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #22 December 19, 2006 QuoteTo no one in particular, but I see a lot of different examples being brought forward as supposed PC. Can some one define Political Correctness for me, so we can all talk about the same thing? It would be politically incorrect to attempt to define it. "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #23 December 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteTo no one in particular, but I see a lot of different examples being brought forward as supposed PC. Can some one define Political Correctness for me, so we can all talk about the same thing? It would be politically incorrect to attempt to define it. how dare you not celebrate my definition of PC over yours - you insensitive bastard ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #24 December 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteTo no one in particular, but I see a lot of different examples being brought forward as supposed PC. Can some one define Political Correctness for me, so we can all talk about the same thing? It would be politically incorrect to attempt to define it. how dare you not celebrate my definition of PC over yours - you insensitive bastard How dare you not celebrate my definition of PC over yours - you insensitive bastard. "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #25 December 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteTo no one in particular, but I see a lot of different examples being brought forward as supposed PC. Can some one define Political Correctness for me, so we can all talk about the same thing? It would be politically incorrect to attempt to define it. It's hypersensitivity to all "allegedly" underclass or marginalized groups. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
