Humans vs. Animals

[akarunway 1]

Spawned by another thread. Different scenario. Is progress for mankind worth this kinda shit?>http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2083841.ece I'll take the animals side on this one

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Butters 0]

No. (I am not sure if the ability to buy new material goods based on ever changing fashion trends that are not necessities is considered progress for mankind. )

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[FallRate 0]

Perhaps the 30 member team should keep their eyes out for a note which reads "So long, and thanks for all the fish." That would be worrisome.

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[lawrocket 3]

Hmmm. And now I gotta wonder whether the Chinese government's response is, "So what?" or "Damn. Those things were an aphrodisiac."

Then we must view the lessons in terms of environmental policy - some countries (probably MOST) don't give a shit. And the question becomes, "What do you do with places that just don't care?"

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[rhys 0]

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some countries (probably MOST) don't give a shit. And the question becomes, "What do you do with places that just don't care?"

I would have to dis agree but what do I know?

all the countries that i have been to.. not too many

New Zealand, Australia, Thailand, Norway, Sweden, germany and Tanzania all have some sort of National park system (dunno about germany tho was only there a week). The fact that there are 30 peploe out there searching for them tells me there is some kind of system in place. but it seems this waterway is a major route so unfortunately for the dolphin will not ever be a national park.

its seems you cannot get in the way of development. if the development is already there.

our national parks(in N.Z.) are only the places that were too hard to farm or develop prior to 50 or so years ago when they started realising the importance of consevation.

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[gmanpilot 0]

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Is progress for mankind worth this kinda shit?

This is one of the problems I have with my attraction to the Libertarian Party...protection of wildlife and the environment. I have developed a personal belief that we have a collective property right interest in such things, and the protection of our natural resources and wildlife is a legitimate function of government. Friedman & Co. was wrong on this point, leaving it to a free market regulation is bad juju. Our ablilty to wreck the environment and exterminate entire species has long ago eclipsed our inclination to give a shit.

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[lawrocket 3]

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New Zealand, Australia, Thailand, Norway, Sweden, germany and Tanzania all have some sort of National park system (dunno about germany tho was only there a week).

Earth Day seems to be "Western Europe, Australia/New Zealand and North America Environment Day." You won't see celebrations in Angola, Laos, etc. Apparently not China, either.

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Wang Ding, a scientist from the Chinese Academy of Sciences, who led the team of 25 scientists from China, the US, Britain, Japan, Germany and Switzerland

Well, I do note that there was no governmental representative quote. The Chinese government seems to care about this as much as Brazil cares about the 20 hectares of jungle being clear cut every minute.

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[SpeedRacer 1]

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Is progress for mankind worth this kinda shit?

This is one of the problems I have with my attraction to the Libertarian Party...protection of wildlife and the environment. I have developed a personal belief that we have a collective property right interest in such things, and the protection of our natural resources and wildlife is a legitimate function of government. Friedman & Co. was wrong on this point, leaving it to a free market regulation is bad juju. Our ablilty to wreck the environment and exterminate entire species has long ago eclipsed our inclination to give a shit.

well the article is about the People's Republic of China. Their government has a "collective property right interest" in everything. Look how well that's worked out.

After all, why let greedy capitalists fuck up the environment, when the government can do it so much better.

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[rhys 0]

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Earth Day seems to be "Western Europe, Australia/New Zealand and North America Environment Day." You won't see celebrations in Angola, Laos, etc. Apparently not China, either.

that doesn't mean thay don't have some sort of environmental proticol? thay have been there for 1000's of years remember.

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[akarunway 1]

While we are on the subject. Let's kill all the newly found ones too for a little oil and rubber. Fuckin morons. I hate humans>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=423523&in_page_id=1965

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[lawrocket 3]

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Earth Day seems to be "Western Europe, Australia/New Zealand and North America Environment Day." You won't see celebrations in Angola, Laos, etc. Apparently not China, either.

that doesn't mean thay don't have some sort of environmental proticol? .

Sure there is an environmental protocol in China! HA HA! Ask Dai Quing about it. He was stupid enough to openly criticize the Three Gorges Dam project. The protocol was to lock him up, as well as other highly vocal protestors.

What about the people who are gonna be flooded out? Move em!
What about the ecosystem? Fuck it.
What about the scenery? Fuck it.
What about the environmental impact? Did I mention handcuffs?

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thay have been there for 1000's of years remember

Yes, the Chinese have been in the Yangtze River Valley for thousands of years! They may be there for another two or three, tops.

Edited to add: Does anyone else see a possible cause/effect between damming up the Yangtze and the extinction of the Yangtze River Dolphin?

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