Lucky... 0 #26 December 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteOK and during the most robust economy ever, we had peace domestically and abroad, the country said she was running things. Now that she is a senator she has no clue??? WTF????? I've already posted about her utter failure at her one opportunity to run a quasi-cabinet post in an executive format. Just because you think you need to respond to every single post doesn't advance your opinions - we get it, you are partisan to DNC because they've historically pushed your personal bias towards socialism and class envy a tad more than the other option. You think party affiliation is more important that voting for individuals. etc etc ad nauseum... You're very passionate about it. congrats I voted for Dole in 96, don't ask me why. I voted in the the Rep Congress in 94. Now, as the country is soooo far right, I would vote strict Dem until it becomes more centrist, then I might go the other way on some candidates. If it went as far left as it is now right, I would go partisan right. I'm a registered Republican, just haven't changed it. The DNC hasn't pushed me anywhere. My opinions stand alone and a couple differ from the DNC. I don;t just jump on board with a party and agree with everything, as I see most of my counterparts do. I don;t have class envy, I have class nausia. To have a country with such call division that the lower classes don;t even get healthcare is just whack. Communism creates a 1-class society, I would really hate that, but Capitalism creates a 2 class system, where there is a very high class and a very low class; the US is headed there altho it isn't as apparent as is it true. Socialism creates a baseline where people cannot fall below a certain level, if they want to succeed above that they must earn it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #27 December 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteOK and during the most robust economy ever, we had peace domestically and abroad, the country said she was running things. Now that she is a senator she has no clue??? WTF????? First, any president or party could have had a robust economy during the technology boom. Second, we did not have peace abroad, we were in the beginning stages of the current war on terror. Third, your argument for Hillary Clinton is based on the presidency of Bill Clinton. QuoteFirst, any president or party could have had a robust economy during the technology boom. True, but this clown in chief would have found a way to fire it off to the rich, instead Clinton paid down the deficit/debt and made middle-America more comfortable. The 1993 Omnibus Spending Bill raised taxes on the rich, and they actually made most if their profits amongst these tax increases. QuoteSecond, we did not have peace abroad, we were in the beginning stages of the current war on terror. I think we could argue that occurred in 1948 with the Palastinian War, perhaps over the last 500 years. Easily we could go back to the Gulf War when Bush stopped the invasion of Kuwait and Suadi pulled OBL's passport, pissing off OBL to attack teh WTC twice. We never really have world peace, juts periods of armistice. I'm just saying we weren't busy spending most of our GNP/GDP on the debt and war, we were trying to stay out of war and pay down the debt. QuoteThird, your argument for Hillary Clinton is based on the presidency of Bill Clinton. Somewhat, but I like her as a Senator based upon her voting record. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #28 December 20, 2006 QuoteChrist, don't get touchy, I was just pointing out via rhetorical question that you have no reason to dislike her, you just hang with partisan politics. I can give you a list of reasons why I like/dislike various politicians, just thought it would be fair to ask why you dislike her, not tell you who to like. I gave you my reasons, I said nothing about her political party. I'm a registered Independent. I guess you are the only one who can dislike her for personal reasons, eh? You posted: "I don't like or trust Hillary, either. Not because she's a woman, but because of her actions and public persona" BTW, its not my fault you are clueless to what "carpet bagger" means. Too hard to google it I suppose. geesh. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #29 December 20, 2006 QuoteI don;t have class envy, I have class nausia. that's a pretty funny line So, why did you vote for Dole? IMO - you do come across as a fanatical socialist, so it's hard to take a lot of those confrontative and very wordy and repetitive posts seriously. I figured you just took an extreme stance just for the fun of the debate (still do, no one is that far off center) so who does socialism correctly? Why don't you live there instead? Why is it important to force all the countries to one political idealology instead of allowing several and then just moving to those environments? Many are happy with a representative republic based on fairly free markets and shameless capitalism. Who needs "another" socialists society? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #30 December 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteIs that Obama or Osama? That's Barrak Hussein Obama (sp).... a great candidate. Why is he a great candidate? Because he looks good and speaks well? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #31 December 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteChrist, don't get touchy, I was just pointing out via rhetorical question that you have no reason to dislike her, you just hang with partisan politics. I can give you a list of reasons why I like/dislike various politicians, just thought it would be fair to ask why you dislike her, not tell you who to like. I gave you my reasons, I said nothing about her political party. I'm a registered Independent. I guess you are the only one who can dislike her for personal reasons, eh? You posted: "I don't like or trust Hillary, either. Not because she's a woman, but because of her actions and public persona" BTW, its not my fault you are clueless to what "carpet bagger" means. Too hard to google it I suppose. geesh. QuoteI gave you my reasons, I said nothing about her political party. I'm a registered Independent. I guess you are the only one who can dislike her for personal reasons, eh? You posted: No, you gave no reasons, which you don't have to, but you gave none, just left the impression that you just don't like her... 'cuase.... I get it, no substantive reason, just follow the sheep. K - ur choice. QuoteYou posted: "I don't like or trust Hillary, either. Not because she's a woman, but because of her actions and public persona" I didn't post that, someone may have posted that and I quoted it. I have never felt that way about her. Go check the postings again. QuoteBTW, its not my fault you are clueless to what "carpet bagger" means. Too hard to google it I suppose. Oh, gee, I thought you wrote carpet muncher. Oh well, I'll leave cliches and one-liners for closet Repubs hiding within the Libertarian Party. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #32 December 21, 2006 who is saying what in your post 1827? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #33 December 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteI don;t have class envy, I have class nausia. that's a pretty funny line So, why did you vote for Dole? IMO - you do come across as a fanatical socialist, so it's hard to take a lot of those confrontative and very wordy and repetitive posts seriously. I figured you just took an extreme stance just for the fun of the debate (still do, no one is that far off center) so who does socialism correctly? Why don't you live there instead? Why is it important to force all the countries to one political idealology instead of allowing several and then just moving to those environments? Many are happy with a representative republic based on fairly free markets and shameless capitalism. Who needs "another" socialists society? Quotethat's a pretty funny line I don't envy other classes, I am just nauseated with the American class structure. QuoteSo, why did you vote for Dole? - I was a Republican at that time - I didn't understand politics as I now do - I'm not married to one party for life - Bob Dole votes for Bob Dole QuoteIMO - you do come across as a fanatical socialist, so it's hard to take a lot of those confrontative and very wordy and repetitive posts seriously. - Is it easier to make this a referendum about me rather than to answer questions like why you don't like H Clinton? - I have some Socialist ideologies, some Capitalist, but to call me fanatical somehow makes you feel better; what does that make you? - Wordy? Can I dumb it down for you? Quoteso who does socialism correctly? Why don't you live there instead? Canada's Socialist system is descent. Some of Europe. Basically, any country that affords heathcare for ALL of its citizens regardless of wealth is starting off on teh right foot. I may move to a Socialist country one day. QuoteWhy is it important to force all the countries to one political idealology instead of allowing several and then just moving to those environments? I'm not proposing we turn socialist in every aspect, just the medical part. Most countries have some sort of medical program for its poorer citizens, the US is an anomoly in that regard, esp for the richest country in teh world - very strange. QuoteMany are happy with a representative republic based on fairly free markets and shameless capitalism. Who needs "another" socialists society? Fairly free markets..... cough, gag... (falls out of chair) ...puke, choke..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #34 December 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteIs that Obama or Osama? That's Barrak Hussein Obama (sp).... a great candidate. Why is he a great candidate? Because he looks good and speaks well? Funny, Bush voters usually would write that, "Because he looks well and speaks good." No, because he has a sense of humanity and moderation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #35 December 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhy is he a great candidate? Because he looks good and speaks well? Funny, Bush voters usually would write that, "Because he looks well and speaks good." Of course mine was a question, not a statement. QuoteNo, because he has a sense of humanity and moderation. And this qualifies him to be President of the United States of America? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #36 December 21, 2006 Quotewho is saying what in your post 1827? All I show is post 1829 in all the posts within this thread. Post the statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #37 December 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy is he a great candidate? Because he looks good and speaks well? Funny, Bush voters usually would write that, "Because he looks well and speaks good." Of course mine was a question, not a statement. QuoteNo, because he has a sense of humanity and moderation. And this qualifies him to be President of the United States of America? Again, understanding that Bush-voters don't require that. He seems to have a basic sense of moderation. That is the most important attribute to me, but from there he is highly educated and articulate..... again, things the Repubs don't care about. Hell, they scream, "MILITARY" until their criminal was a war coward. So go vote in McCain, a scumbag that wants to pump up our modern-day Viet Nam as f there is a military solution..... intelects realize there is no military solution to this modern-day VN, just like the original VN. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #38 December 21, 2006 QuoteHe seems to have a basic sense of moderation. That is the most important attribute to me, but from there he is highly educated and articulate..Sounds a lot like what people were saying about pretty boy John Edwards. QuoteHell, they scream, "MILITARY" until their criminal was a war coward. I have no idea what this means. QuoteSo go vote in McCain, a scumbag that wants to pump up our modern-day Viet Nam as f there is a military solution..... intelects realize there is no military solution to this modern-day VN, just like the original VN. You sure do seem to paint with a broad (and negative) brush. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RB_Hammer 0 #39 December 21, 2006 Quote McCain/Obama. Maybe. Never happen..."I'm not lost. I don't know where I'm going, but there's no sense in being late." Mathew Quigley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #40 December 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteHe seems to have a basic sense of moderation. That is the most important attribute to me, but from there he is highly educated and articulate..Sounds a lot like what people were saying about pretty boy John Edwards. QuoteHell, they scream, "MILITARY" until their criminal was a war coward. I have no idea what this means. QuoteSo go vote in McCain, a scumbag that wants to pump up our modern-day Viet Nam as f there is a military solution..... intelects realize there is no military solution to this modern-day VN, just like the original VN. You sure do seem to paint with a broad (and negative) brush. QuoteSounds a lot like what people were saying about pretty boy John Edwards. Yep, which is why I liked him too. Then we got garbage and look where we're at. QuoteI have no idea what this means. It obviously means the conservatives demand their criminal have a military history, preferably with war. Then they get their perfect criminal in Bush and look the other way. QuoteYou sure do seem to paint with a broad (and negative) brush. Why, calling Iraq a VN? Calling McCain a scumbag because he wants to pump up Iraq? So you can avoid answering the issues? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #41 December 21, 2006 QuoteQuote McCain/Obama. Maybe. Never happen... Right, they wouldn't take 2nd to anyone and they have opposing philosophies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #42 December 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteSounds a lot like what people were saying about pretty boy John Edwards. Yep, which is why I liked him too. Then we got garbage and look where we're at. Did you know part of the reason Edwards ran for President was his chances for being re-elected to the Senate were between slim and none. A senator who can not get re-elected in his own state is a good candidate for President??? Go figure. QuoteQuoteI have no idea what this means. It obviously means the conservatives demand their criminal have a military history, preferably with war. Then they get their perfect criminal in Bush and look the other way. Still drawing a big blank. QuoteQuoteYou sure do seem to paint with a broad (and negative) brush. Why, calling Iraq a VN? Calling McCain a scumbag because he wants to pump up Iraq? So you can avoid answering the issues? I keep getting the impression you think everyone who is on the right side of the fence (and a good number of those who straddle it) all share a consensus opinion and that they/we all have a substandard intellect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #43 December 23, 2006 QuoteHow is she a carpet bagger? Really...Google it, she fits. QuoteShe was the first lady, no real power. She was in charge national health care and blew it. Look you like socialism, but the United States is NOT socialist. Move, or vote for your local socialist party. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
