Skysurfer_Rob 0 #1 December 18, 2006 I'm just curious...as it stands right now, how many here would vote for a Clinton/Obama ticket if they were to run together? How many would vote for just one or the other? How many would not even consider a Democrat, no matter what? I realize this does not encompass every available Democrat option, but these to seem to be in the lead at the moment."Though I Fly Through the Valley of Death, I Shall Fear No Evil...For I am at 80,000 Feet and Climbing." SR-71 hangar entrance sign at Kadena AFB, Japan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #2 December 18, 2006 Is that Obama or Osama? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #3 December 18, 2006 Somehow, I don't think the U.S. is ready for a white woman president/black man vice president ticket just yet... I think Obama will be a good politician, but I just flat out don't like or trust Hillary..."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #4 December 18, 2006 QuoteSomehow, I don't think the U.S. is ready for a white woman president/black man vice president ticket just yet..... I think the only person you can speak for is yourself - and I won't take your post as you not personally being ready for a woman/black... nobody would admit that here and likely nobody here really feels that way. So why assume the rest of the population is different? nuts, we are ready for whoever we vote for - statements to the contrary just perpetuates unfair stereotypes that just need to die. I don't like or trust Hillary, either. Not because she's a woman, but because of her actions and public persona. Obama seems ok, so far ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #5 December 19, 2006 I would not vote for that ticket. I just think Hillary is a snake. I actually seem to like Obama so far. But HC on the ticket would prevent me from voting for it. McCain/Obama. Maybe. Clark/Obama. Maybe. Clinton/anyone. No. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skysurfer_Rob 0 #6 December 19, 2006 I think if the right woman were to run, I would vote for her. I would consider voting for Condoleza Rice (spell?) if she were to run. Black, White, man or woman...doesn't really matter to me. I will vote for them as long as they share the same values and desires I have for this country, and have the leadership mentality to get us there. I believe my generation is more open, than past generations, to this way of thinking. I didn't even think about a Obama/Clark ticket...I would consider voting for them as well. I would really like to see a bipartisan or independant ticket, but I don't see that happening anytime in the near future, unfortunately."Though I Fly Through the Valley of Death, I Shall Fear No Evil...For I am at 80,000 Feet and Climbing." SR-71 hangar entrance sign at Kadena AFB, Japan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #7 December 19, 2006 I don't think Hilary Clinton would work at all. A lot of people hate her, that's a fact. Often for very poorly-articulated reasons, but there it is. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #8 December 19, 2006 I try not to vote for democrates or republicans in an attempt to change the current two party system."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #9 December 19, 2006 QuoteSomehow, I don't think the U.S. is ready for a white woman president/black man vice president ticket just yet... I think Obama will be a good politician, but I just flat out don't like or trust Hillary... In 2006 it is a shame our decision to vote or not vote would be based on gender or race. BTW, Hilary has enough negatives without even considering gender. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #10 December 19, 2006 Why is race still such a big issue/ divider in the USA? I know its only a film but was 'Crash' realistic as far as attitudes go? Why was New Orleans so divided? Was it just media portrayal or was it really only the black people and poor whites that were left behind?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #11 December 19, 2006 QuoteWhy is race still such a big issue/ divider in the USA? Because people in the USA on both sides still make race a big issue/divider."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #12 December 19, 2006 Quotewhy is race still an issue? Some people just don't get it. It is not only in the South or poor parts of the country. It is a mindset that is changing, but that type of change takes a while. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #13 December 19, 2006 It's a big issue/divider for those that "choose" to make it so. Some can choose to make it so for perfectly well intentioned meanings, but those people seem to make it worse as a result. It's still a form of racism or sexism, (you'll like see this in responses to this portion of the thread) Some can choose to make it so for really crappy reasons too. That also makes it worse, but that's obvious and directly racism and sexism. (the same people that respond to the above will also respond to this and connect the two) In other cases, it's just another cause to exploit others. That's neither racism nor sexism, just blatant opportunism. But they also get called the same names even though they should be called something else.... The rest of us (and I believe it is MOST all of us) try to ignore the loudmouths and we make friends and relationships based on character. But that attitude doesn't get any press. It takes generations to grow out of. Believing it can happen faster (on a large scale) is a bit of healthy naive optimism. Especially with the spotlights on the subjects) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #14 December 19, 2006 QuoteQuotewhy is race still an issue? Some people just don't get it. It is not only in the South or poor parts of the country. It is a mindset that is changing, but that type of change takes a while. That was my main point... We are slow to change... Never had a woman president nor a black president. There have been contenders but none of them made it. There will be one of the other someday in the future, just not now or soon the way our mentality is..."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #15 December 19, 2006 I'm not sure how true that is. I mean, it's fashionable to say "OH, there's SO much racism around! (except me, of course!)" and the more you say it the more you show that you're sensitive about it. but in reality, aside from a few racist/sexist dinosaurs, would anyone really care anymore? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #16 December 19, 2006 QuoteI'm not sure how true that is. I mean, it's fashionable to say "OH, there's SO much racism around! (except me, of course!)" and the more you say it the more you show that you're sensitive about it. and, thus the fashionable that you talk about, in trying to ingratiate themselves, continue to perpetuate it Edit: and thus we've moved fully away from hillary (not a race issue) and obama (mixed heritage and not really one that screams and rants about it - kinda like Tiger Woods) and onto our generic issues ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #17 December 19, 2006 Quotenuts, we are ready for whoever we vote for I think the last two Presidential elections disproved that. Personally, I don't care what color or gender our President is, I just hope that next time we pick someone intelligent. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buried 0 #18 December 19, 2006 neither would win. too many red states and much of the stupid (red states US doesn't know much about either's politics. Where is my fizzy-lifting drink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #19 December 20, 2006 QuoteIs that Obama or Osama? That's Barrak Hussein Obama (sp)..... not the greatest name, but a great candidate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #20 December 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteSomehow, I don't think the U.S. is ready for a white woman president/black man vice president ticket just yet..... I think the only person you can speak for is yourself - and I won't take your post as you not personally being ready for a woman/black... nobody would admit that here and likely nobody here really feels that way. So why assume the rest of the population is different? nuts, we are ready for whoever we vote for - statements to the contrary just perpetuates unfair stereotypes that just need to die. I don't like or trust Hillary, either. Not because she's a woman, but because of her actions and public persona. Obama seems ok, so far QuoteI don't like or trust Hillary, either. Not because she's a woman, but because of her actions and public persona. OK and during the most robust economy ever, we had peace domestically and abroad, the country said she was running things. Now that she is a senator she has no clue??? WTF????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #21 December 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteSomehow, I don't think the U.S. is ready for a white woman president/black man vice president ticket just yet... I think Obama will be a good politician, but I just flat out don't like or trust Hillary... In 2006 it is a shame our decision to vote or not vote would be based on gender or race. BTW, Hilary has enough negatives without even considering gender. Like what? Please cite senatorial voting record, not that she was married to that guy that cheated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #22 December 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteSomehow, I don't think the U.S. is ready for a white woman president/black man vice president ticket just yet... I think Obama will be a good politician, but I just flat out don't like or trust Hillary... In 2006 it is a shame our decision to vote or not vote would be based on gender or race. BTW, Hilary has enough negatives without even considering gender. Like what? Please cite senatorial voting record, not that she was married to that guy that cheated. I have no clue what she has done as a NY senator. She was put in charge of health care and failed big time. She is a carbet bagger. And you are right I don't "like" her. Who are you to tell me how I should determine her worth as a President? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #23 December 20, 2006 QuoteOK and during the most robust economy ever, we had peace domestically and abroad, the country said she was running things. Now that she is a senator she has no clue??? WTF????? I've already posted about her utter failure at her one opportunity to run a quasi-cabinet post in an executive format. Just because you think you need to respond to every single post doesn't advance your opinions - we get it, you are partisan to DNC because they've historically pushed your personal bias towards socialism and class envy a tad more than the other option. You think party affiliation is more important that voting for individuals. etc etc ad nauseum... You're very passionate about it. congrats ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #24 December 20, 2006 QuoteOK and during the most robust economy ever, we had peace domestically and abroad, the country said she was running things. Now that she is a senator she has no clue??? WTF????? First, any president or party could have had a robust economy during the technology boom. Second, we did not have peace abroad, we were in the beginning stages of the current war on terror. Third, your argument for Hillary Clinton is based on the presidency of Bill Clinton."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #25 December 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSomehow, I don't think the U.S. is ready for a white woman president/black man vice president ticket just yet... I think Obama will be a good politician, but I just flat out don't like or trust Hillary... In 2006 it is a shame our decision to vote or not vote would be based on gender or race. BTW, Hilary has enough negatives without even considering gender. Like what? Please cite senatorial voting record, not that she was married to that guy that cheated. I have no clue what she has done as a NY senator. She was put in charge of health care and failed big time. She is a carbet bagger. And you are right I don't "like" her. Who are you to tell me how I should determine her worth as a President? QuoteI have no clue what she has done as a NY senator. So damned the facts, you just don;t like her party. I fully understand. Tell me about Ted Kennedy.... oh, you hate that party, nevermind his voting record, some of which you would agree with. QuoteShe was put in charge of health care and failed big time. When Clinton was pres? She was the first lady, no real power. Both of them wanted socialized meds, I would think you would enjoy the fact that the people aren't yet ready for that. Socialized meds failed becuase of Congress, and that's their fault? HMO meds have sucked here forever, CLintons tried a solution and Congress downed it and that's their fault? I guess the Fucked up medical coverage situation that has been present for years is their fault. QuoteShe is a carbet bagger. Is that French? How is she a carpet bagger? QuoteAnd you are right I don't "like" her. Who are you to tell me how I should determine her worth as a President? Christ, don't get touchy, I was just pointing out via rhetorical question that you have no reason to dislike her, you just hang with partisan politics. I can give you a list of reasons why I like/dislike various politicians, just thought it would be fair to ask why you dislike her, not tell you who to like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
