jcd11235 0 #26 December 15, 2006 QuoteIt's under 2%. 1.618033988749...%? Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #27 December 16, 2006 Quote>3.14159265% Your so-called "reply" is completely circular. PI IN THE SKY.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #28 December 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote As far as whether or not Florida's MW increase was harmful, the current picture indicates it's had limited adverse effects in complete contradiction to the doomsday predictions of the right wingers. fixed it. We all have our own version of reality. It's kind of creepy how some people's default setting is to be constantly victimized by imaginary boogeymen. The multi million dollar scaremongering TV and radio ad campaign was not imaginary. Just full of bogus predictions of economic gloom. Turned out that the minimum wage increase was the bogeyman, and the FL Chamber of Commerce got the creeps from it. People's Weekly World Newspaper, 11/04/04 12:51 TAMPA, Fla. — One of the bright spots in Florida was the passage of the amendment for an increase in the state minimum wage, starting at $6.15 an hour and beginning six months after enactment. The wage is to be annually indexed to inflation thereafter. Amendment 5, one of eight ballot initiatives here, won with 71 percent of the vote, 4,834,437 votes to 1,990,465. It appears that the amendment got more votes than Bush. It passed despite a massive ad campaign on radio and television to defeat it. The only ballot initiative that got a higher vote was a patient’s right to know provision about medical mistakes, which won with 81 percent of the vote. Excerpts from The Daily Comrade. Good stuff. And on the flips side: QuoteACORN budgeted over $2 million for the campaign. In addition to a team of strategists, pollsters, fundraisers and a full-time coalition coordinator, the group deployed a field staff of 40 organizers, up to 60 canvassers, and over 2,000 volunteers. The field staff gathered signatures, registered 122,000 voters and implemented a get-out-the-vote plan that resulted in a net increase in turnout of 68,000 new voters in November. I've even been known to use Fox. Doesn't affect the facts one iota. The right ran a scaremongering campaign that turned out to be totally bogus. Look up "Coalition to Save Florida Jobs" and see how much money it spent on its sky-will-fall ad campaign before the 2004 election, and where that money came from.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #29 December 16, 2006 What have the prices of good/services done since the wage change went into effect? Up, down or no change?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #30 December 16, 2006 QuoteWhat have the prices of good/services done since the wage change went into effect? Up, down or no change? You guys are just scraping for any Aha! factor you can possibly think of, aren't you? OK, I'm done here. The World needs me in other threads. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #31 December 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhat have the prices of good/services done since the wage change went into effect? Up, down or no change? You guys are just scraping for any Aha! factor you can possibly think of, aren't you? OK, I'm done here. The World needs me in other threads. Aww...want a tissue? I'm willing to bet a beer that the cost of the wage increase is passed on to the public in higher prices for basic goods/services... the same thing that happens EVERY TIME there is an increase in the cost of doing business for a company. Any takers?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #32 December 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhat have the prices of good/services done since the wage change went into effect? Up, down or no change? You guys are just scraping for any Aha! factor you can possibly think of, aren't you? OK, I'm done here. The World needs me in other threads. Aww...want a tissue? I'm willing to bet a beer that the cost of the wage increase is passed on to the public in higher prices for basic goods/services... the same thing that happens EVERY TIME there is an increase in the cost of doing business for a company. Any takers? Where are the hundreds of thousands of unemployed that the right predicted? Any takers?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #33 December 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote As far as whether or not Florida's MW increase was harmful, the current picture indicates it's had limited adverse effects in complete contradiction to the doomsday predictions of the right wingers. fixed it. We all have our own version of reality. It's kind of creepy how some people's default setting is to be constantly victimized by imaginary boogeymen. The multi million dollar scaremongering TV and radio ad campaign was not imaginary. Just full of bogus predictions of economic gloom. Turned out that the minimum wage increase was the bogeyman, and the FL Chamber of Commerce got the creeps from it. People's Weekly World Newspaper, 11/04/04 12:51 TAMPA, Fla. — One of the bright spots in Florida was the passage of the amendment for an increase in the state minimum wage, starting at $6.15 an hour and beginning six months after enactment. The wage is to be annually indexed to inflation thereafter. Amendment 5, one of eight ballot initiatives here, won with 71 percent of the vote, 4,834,437 votes to 1,990,465. It appears that the amendment got more votes than Bush. It passed despite a massive ad campaign on radio and television to defeat it. The only ballot initiative that got a higher vote was a patient’s right to know provision about medical mistakes, which won with 81 percent of the vote. Excerpts from The Daily Comrade. Good stuff. And on the flips side: QuoteACORN budgeted over $2 million for the campaign. In addition to a team of strategists, pollsters, fundraisers and a full-time coalition coordinator, the group deployed a field staff of 40 organizers, up to 60 canvassers, and over 2,000 volunteers. The field staff gathered signatures, registered 122,000 voters and implemented a get-out-the-vote plan that resulted in a net increase in turnout of 68,000 new voters in November. I've even been known to use Fox. Doesn't affect the facts one iota. The right ran a scaremongering campaign that turned out to be totally bogus. Look up "Coalition to Save Florida Jobs" and see how much money it spent on its sky-will-fall ad campaign before the 2004 election, and where that money came from. Crack me up... comparing a communist propaganda web page to a national mainstream news organization. Your commie sourced "news" overstates the drama more than any other source I could find. And I looked. What I did find was news that the scaremongering you're so fond of mentioning, was done by both sides. Some people tend to view smarmy tactics as good or bad, depending solely on whether they support the cause or not. Posting "information" from overtly ultra-left sites has about as much credibility using Rush Limbaugh's columns as objective sources. If never seen the later happen, even though accusations that people got their information from Rush is a common charge around here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #34 December 18, 2006 Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. What scaremongering was done by supporters of raising the minimum wage? PLEASE provide a link.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #35 December 18, 2006 Quote Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. You might want to do a little research on that phrase. You seem to use it incorrectly. QuoteWhat scaremongering was done by supporters of raising the minimum wage? PLEASE provide a link. Is NPR okay? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6619460 Can you provide a link from a respectable source, that echoes your dramatic claims? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #36 December 18, 2006 QuoteQuote Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. You might want to do a little research on that phrase. You seem to use it incorrectly. QuoteWhat scaremongering was done by supporters of raising the minimum wage? PLEASE provide a link. Is NPR okay? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6619460 Can you provide a link from a respectable source, that echoes your dramatic claims? Thank you, you just did it for me. The only SCARE tactics in the artice you cite are: What about the warnings that the minimum wage would end up -- as one of the ads put it -- "hurting thousands of Floridians whose jobs will be outsourced overseas"? In the last year, Florida has actually added 220,000 jobs. And in the hotel and restaurant sector alone, the state gained nearly 30,000 jobs. Mike Jacobs -- who now runs his own Beef O'Brady's -- doesn't think the chains were really worried about layoffs. It just sounded a lot better than focusing on what Jacobs calls the real issue: profit. A minimum-wage increase "takes part of that bottom-line profit that corporate restaurants have to report to their stockholders," Jacobs says. "Profit is a big part of it, so they weren't a hundred percent honest, in my opinion." Now, about the SCARE tactics from the supporters of the proposal, please provide a link.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #37 December 18, 2006 I already did. Some people have a knack for overlooking the obvious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #38 December 18, 2006 QuoteWhere are the hundreds of thousands of unemployed that the right predicted? Any takers? Got a link to support your claim that the right predicted "hundreds of thousands" would be unemployed" if minimum wage were raised? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #39 December 18, 2006 QuoteSome people have a knack for overlooking the obvious. I couldn't have said it better (or more ironically) myself.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #40 December 19, 2006 It should also be noted that the average cost of living in FL is rising so fast that people are leaving the state. Using ACCRA it shows that ALL of FL is around the 100 mark. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #41 December 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhere are the hundreds of thousands of unemployed that the right predicted? Any takers? Got a link to support your claim that the right predicted "hundreds of thousands" would be unemployed" if minimum wage were raised? HEY KALLEND!!!! How about a link? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
