rehmwa 2 #76 December 18, 2006 Quote I ..... was invited by Rickover to serve. BTW - wow, you're old ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #77 December 18, 2006 Quote so very true. but we have no other yardstick to truly assess others except by their actions. All else is too subjective and that way lies some really messed up social values. I refuse to give a pass for a killer just because they had a hard life, no more than I'd give a pass for a killer if they had a privileged life. If this "suffolk Ripper" had the same difficult background as the stereotype of the these prostitutes, does he deserve a lighter sentence than if the killer was a nobleman instead? Vice versa? once the crime is committed, it's too late. Again, knowing the subjective issues is needed to make sure the criminal has a chance to not repeat the crime or so we can ensure others don't do the same thing. We have to react to the actions no matter what. We then treat based on the subjective stuff to try to head off future repeats before they happen. It's not heartless, not by any means I was referring more to the women, and their actions in this life. We are in full agreement re: the killer.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #78 December 18, 2006 Quote BTW - wow, you're old You're right! We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #79 December 18, 2006 thanks for sharingWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #80 December 18, 2006 QuoteI was referring more to the women, and their actions in this life. We are in full agreement re: the killer. I put it in context of the killer to make the point. I could have also argued that the killer had a very difficult upbringing, and that his 'actions' were really 'reactions' to his history and urgent needs. But I don't think that would have flown. Sorry to be so transparent. I think the philosophy applies even if the criminal behavior is something less than murder. So if the crime is prostitution, drug use, drug distribution, stealing, (all crimes attributed to women that turn to prostitution - I don't know if prostitution is illegal in GB BTW) then they are still responsible for their acts. And, their background is pertinent if we want to help them not repeat any crimes. (but they still are responsible for what they did....) edit: talking about prostitutes being personally responsible for their crimes (when there may be crimes) in this thread is rather distasteful since the subject is concerned with violence committed on them. It's not really pertinent here other than a digression. It's a good debate in general, but not really a good one within this thread. If someone were to enter this thread midstream, they could misconstrue the debate as something it's not - much like the others did to Dorbie. Or even worse, the 13 year olds on this site ready to accuse one of us (falsely) of a claim that any murder is warranted based on completely separate issues of personal criminal activity. Then to try to explain it to them is just too painful. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #81 December 18, 2006 http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18122006/325/police-arrest-man-prostitute-murders.html he described himself as 'Sad and lonely, a man with something about him that women don't like' I hope they have the right person, he does sound like an attention seeking weirdo maybe to much so. Local 'working girls' who know him are now saying they don't belive it could be him.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #82 December 18, 2006 Quote I put it in context of the killer to make the point. I could have also argued that the killer had a very difficult upbringing, and that his 'actions' were really 'reactions' to his history and urgent needs. But I don't think that would have flown. Sorry to be so transparent. I see what you're saying. We can probably agree that there is a difference between a violent crime and a non-violent crime. Violent crimes cannot be tolerated. Non-violent crimes tend to be culturally subjective.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #83 December 18, 2006 Turns out the suspect that has been arrested used to be a part time cop. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18122006/140/suffolk-murders-suspect-special-pc.htmlWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #84 December 18, 2006 QuoteI see what you're saying. We can probably agree that there is a difference between a violent crime and a non-violent crime. Violent crimes cannot be tolerated. Non-violent crimes tend to be culturally subjective. so if a prostitute with a very rough upbringing committed murder, that action would not be tolerated deciding to be subjective on non-violent crimes has it's own traps. Is selling or using drugs violent? or just results in violence? is prostitution enacting emotional violence on the customer or seller? I'd rather the punishments be proportional and objective to the nature of the crime. Then the administration of the punishments can be objective also. Steal, sell drugs? be punished definitely, but not as severe as the punishment for murder..... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #85 December 18, 2006 QuoteTurns out the suspect that has been arrested used to be a part time cop. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18122006/140/suffolk-murders-suspect-special-pc.html makes sense, all cops are violent and bad, or so I'm told. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #86 December 18, 2006 Shouldn't belive everything Bigway tells youWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #87 December 18, 2006 where's he been lately? I'd forgotten ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #88 December 18, 2006 I suspect he's headed down to Kiwiland for Christmas.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #89 December 18, 2006 Quote I'd rather the punishments be proportional and objective to the nature of the crime. Then the administration of the punishments can be objective also. Steal, sell drugs? be punished definitely, but not as severe as the punishment for murder..... Philosophically speaking, you and I are in agreement. The definition of non-violent crime is subjective. Nevada allows brothels. Other states don't. Southern states allow home owners to protect their homes via the use of handguns. Northern states, in practice, don't. Murder is never allowed. We are definitely in agreement on that.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
