Butters 0 #101 December 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe decisions to stop executions because they couldn't do it right were made by Gov. Bush in Florida and a Federal judge in CA. My "agenda" had nothing to do with it. How do you do an execution wrong ... so long as the person dies you have done it right. Apparently the Governor of Florida and a Federal judge in CA do not agree with you. In fact, your exact attitude was explicitly mentioned by the judge in his ruling as one reason it was NOT done 'right'. I guess you'd be happy with burning at the stake, or burying in an anthill. Actually as I have stated in another post, I would be happier if it was done with one gun and one bullet so that as few resources as necessary are consumed and the person dies instantly and without pain or suffering. It has been argued that the death penatly is torture ... prove that it is more torture than life without parole spent in solitary confinement."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #102 December 18, 2006 QuoteQuote The decisions to stop executions because they couldn't do it right were made by Gov. Bush in Florida and a Federal judge in CA. My "agenda" had nothing to do with it. More veneer and an absloutely feeble attempt at evasion. He's a politician, the systematic opposition to the death penalty by any means is tied to the anti death penalty agenda. This is clearer in the recent California decision also mentioned in this thread. The affected squeamishness of politicians and other phonies is a sight to behold. Gov. Bush has shown no indication at all of having an anti-death-penalty agenda. In fact the Bush brothers have signed more death warrants than any other family in recent history. You are rambling.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #103 December 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe decisions to stop executions because they couldn't do it right were made by Gov. Bush in Florida and a Federal judge in CA. My "agenda" had nothing to do with it. How do you do an execution wrong ... so long as the person dies you have done it right. Apparently the Governor of Florida and a Federal judge in CA do not agree with you. In fact, your exact attitude was explicitly mentioned by the judge in his ruling as one reason it was NOT done 'right'. I guess you'd be happy with burning at the stake, or burying in an anthill. Both will result in death.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #104 December 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteFair point, well made. It's agreed then, torture is ok. The purpose of an execution is to kill the recipient of the sentance of death. If that person is killed then the execution has been carried out and the job done. If torture is a byproduct of the killing then thats the price you pay for having a death penalty. If you are squeemish about it then abolish the Death Penalty.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #105 December 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteFair point, well made. It's agreed then, torture is ok. The purpose of an execution is to kill the recipient of the sentance of death. If that person is killed then the execution has been carried out and the job done. If torture is a byproduct of the killing then thats the price you pay for having a death penalty. If you are squeemish about it then abolish the Death Penalty. I disagree, we should not have the death penalty if it is not possible without torture."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #106 December 18, 2006 Pussy Define torture though. If you gas someone they will suffer, if you give them the lethal injection they will suffer, same goes for shooting them. Hell, we are talking about killing someone, of course its going to hurt!When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #107 December 18, 2006 QuotePussy A pussy would be the one who knows what should be done but doesn't do it. A dick would be the one who knows what should be done and does it. An asshole would be the one who knows what should be done and does it but adds torture. "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #108 December 18, 2006 Very funny, but look again and you'll see I didn't 'add' torture its simply a byproduct of the execution. What about the emotional and psychological torture to the prisoner who knows he or she will fry like a KFC? That doesn't bother you I take it.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #109 December 18, 2006 QuoteDefine torture though. If you gas someone they will suffer, if you give them the lethal injection they will suffer, same goes for shooting them. Hell, we are talking about killing someone, of course its going to hurt! We, as a civilized society, should minimize pain and suffering during execution by choosing a method of execution that eliminates or minimizes pain and suffering. We have enough pain medications and methods of execution resulting in instant death that this should be possible."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #110 December 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI was hazed worse than this pladging a fraternityNo, you weren't. This was horrific; there was a lot of doubt about whether he was going to live in the beginning, and if he did, how much brain damage there would be from the stomping. I also think the death penalty is excessive, but this was a truly awful beating/stomping, for the most arbitrary and fuck-you-my-momentary-feelings-are-what-matters kinds of rationale. And particularly the main perpetrator really should be isolated from society, for society's protection. He's shown an escalating pattern over the years. Wendy W. I don't remember you standing beside me in that basement...... Well, but then again, I WAS blindfolded........ *** The crime in question happened just a few miles from me. If you actually KNEW the horrific details of the assault and the resulting injuries I doubt you would be so glib. If in fact YOU had your head caved in and were ass raped to the point of massive internal injuries while "pladging" a fraternity....(whatever THAT is)....that tells us something about your likes and dislikes, blindfolded or not. This kid didn't 'ask' for it, as you claim to have. Let's keep in mind folks that the kid that was assaulted DID almost get a "Death Penalty" without a trial, and in fact will carry what happened to HIM around for "Life" too! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #111 December 18, 2006 What about the emotional and psychological torture to the prisoner who knows he or she will fry like a KFC? That doesn't bother you I take it.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #112 December 18, 2006 QuoteVery funny, but look again and you'll see I didn't 'add' torture its simply a byproduct of the execution. What about the emotional and psychological torture to the prisoner who knows he or she will fry like a KFC? That doesn't bother you I take it. The moment you chose a method of execution over another that allows for a greater amount of pain and suffering you added torture."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #113 December 18, 2006 So you belive that this is a good use of a Doctors time?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #114 December 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote The decisions to stop executions because they couldn't do it right were made by Gov. Bush in Florida and a Federal judge in CA. My "agenda" had nothing to do with it. More veneer and an absloutely feeble attempt at evasion. He's a politician, the systematic opposition to the death penalty by any means is tied to the anti death penalty agenda. This is clearer in the recent California decision also mentioned in this thread. The affected squeamishness of politicians and other phonies is a sight to behold. Gov. Bush has shown no indication at all of having an anti-death-penalty agenda. In fact the Bush brothers have signed more death warrants than any other family in recent history. You are rambling. Your sudden faith in the transparent integrity of a politician and a Bush is inspirational. I could come up with a half dozen relatively painless methods of execution in a weekend, they might not be pretty enough for these phonies though. I'm convinced a good number of people relish the suffering of the condemned, while others enjoy this issue because they can attach political labels to proponents. Geeze, how about an overdose of diamorphine? I doubt it'll ever happen in America though. Instead we have pointless cases wasting court time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #115 December 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote The decisions to stop executions because they couldn't do it right were made by Gov. Bush in Florida and a Federal judge in CA. My "agenda" had nothing to do with it. More veneer and an absloutely feeble attempt at evasion. He's a politician, the systematic opposition to the death penalty by any means is tied to the anti death penalty agenda. This is clearer in the recent California decision also mentioned in this thread. The affected squeamishness of politicians and other phonies is a sight to behold. Gov. Bush has shown no indication at all of having an anti-death-penalty agenda. In fact the Bush brothers have signed more death warrants than any other family in recent history. You are rambling. Your sudden faith in the transparent integrity of a politician and a Bush is inspirational. . Ha ha. You exhibit a remarkable talent for total misinterpretation.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #116 December 18, 2006 QuoteSo you belive that this is a good use of a Doctors time? What do we need a doctor for? Mankind has already created pain medications and methods of execution that minimize the amount of pain and suffering to an acceptable amount."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #117 December 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo you belive that this is a good use of a Doctors time? All I am saying is that mankind has already created pain medications and methods of execution that minimize the amount of pain and suffering to an acceptable amount. Apparently Dr. Kevorkian did a very good job for people who actually wanted to die - so good that he was thrown in jail for it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #118 December 18, 2006 So a prison officer should be doing the job of an anesthesiologist? So what about the second point about otherforms of torture that you appear to be happy about?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #119 December 18, 2006 QuoteSo a prison officer should be doing the job of an anesthesiologist? So what about the second point about otherforms of torture that you appear to be happy about? Morphine (along with other pain medications) comes in pill form, could be given during the last meal and thus an anesthesiologist is not needed. What other forms of torture did I say I was happy about? Are you referring to the mental torture of knowing the time and place of your death? If so, I did not say I was happy about this. This is one of the byproducts of execution (that you were referring to) that can not be minimized."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #120 December 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Gov. Bush has shown no indication at all of having an anti-death-penalty agenda. In fact the Bush brothers have signed more death warrants than any other family in recent history. You are rambling. Your sudden faith in the transparent integrity of a politician and a Bush is inspirational. . Ha ha. You exhibit a remarkable talent for total misinterpretation. My intent was not to interpret your comment but to highlight the rank hypocristy it represents, alas the misinterpretation is yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #121 December 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo a prison officer should be doing the job of an anesthesiologist? So what about the second point about otherforms of torture that you appear to be happy about? Morphine (along with other pain medications) comes in pill form, could be given during the last meal and thus an anesthesiologist is not needed. So the condemned must effectively commit suicide then? Good luck with that plan. It may have worked with Socrates but not everyone will be as cooperative. You don't need to be an anestheseologist to administer an overdose of diamorphine, alternatively how about carbon monoxide gas via a small face mask? Simple clean and relatively safe with a few simple precautions. It's not difficult to do this right, it makes me wonder why some of these other half assed methods are used. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #122 December 18, 2006 LMAO How about we just give them a shallow bowl of water and let them drown themselves?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #123 December 18, 2006 QuoteLMAO How about we just give them a shallow bowl of water and let them drown themselves? What about the people in Africa that don't have water to drink? (J/K) Seriously though, I am not trying to determine the exact drugs or method of execution. Do you agree that there are (possible) drugs and (possible) methods of execution that would minimize or eliminate the pain and suffereing of the execution (disregarding the mental pain and suffering leading up to the execution due to the knowledge of your time and place of death)?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #124 December 18, 2006 They don't have to drink it just aspirate it. I agree that a better painless way of causing death are available but I have also seen trained Doctors botch anaesthetics its not as straight forwards and easy as you might think.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #125 December 18, 2006 QuoteThey don't have to drink it just aspirate it. I agree that a better painless way of causing death are available but I have also seen trained Doctors botch anaesthetics its not as straight forwards and easy as you might think. Yes, but everyone makes mistakes, that doesn't mean people should stop doing things, it means people should strive to make less mistakes."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
