Evolution - Satan's biggest brilliant and magnificent plan !!

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Hmm lets see, science, a bunch of well educated people trying to prove things through testing research and fact. Religion, a bunch of people claiming an invisible omnispresent being magically created the universe although there is no proof such a being has ever or will ever exist. Whether scientist ever present a single fact or not the simple fact that they are trying to take steps to justify what they say holds a hell of a lot more weight than someone saying they know how it all started because they go to church and read the bible.

Didn't you say in a recent post in another thread that when someone's time is up, it's up. In other words, every person's life has an inevitable timeline. Sounds to me like something or someone is holding the stopwatch.

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Tony - you should read that last link of his - seriously

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What latin names did i throw in?

Not you. Others here who vehemently defend the evolutionary hypothesis.

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Honestly, just stop and think for a while on the sheer scale of the conspiracy you suggest. Nearly every single biologist, geneticist and chemist on the planet, almost every university administrator, government education official, schoolteacher, grant supervisor, science prize judge and administrator, journal editor..... all of them atheists but not only that, all of them are committed to dishonestly destroying Genesis, all of them willing to falsify data. You cannot possibly believe that. It is insane.

Why? You say that all people who espouse belief in a superior power have bought into a lie i.e. conspiracy theory.

All it takes from your position[evolutionist/athiest] is taking a bunch of children, tell them that science is superior to all other thought processes, setting yourself up as a know it all authority, and perpetrating something that you adamantly believe in, whether you can prove it or not.

They swallow it, hook, line, and sinker, and your job is done.

And don't think that it isn't done without malice aforethought.

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Tony - you should read that last link of his - seriously

yup

Wendy W.

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Honestly, just stop and think for a while on the sheer scale of the conspiracy you suggest. Nearly every single biologist, geneticist and chemist on the planet, almost every university administrator, government education official, schoolteacher, grant supervisor, science prize judge and administrator, journal editor..... all of them atheists but not only that, all of them are committed to dishonestly destroying Genesis, all of them willing to falsify data. You cannot possibly believe that. It is insane.

Why? You say that all people who espouse belief in a superior power have bought into a lie i.e. conspiracy theory.

All it takes from your position[evolutionist/athiest] is taking a bunch of children, tell them that science is superior to all other thought processes, setting yourself up as a know it all authority, and perpetrating something that you adamantly believe in, whether you can prove it or not.

No, its a completely different situation. I have no doubt that at least 90% of those working at all levels in the worlds major religions truly believe what they say.

If evolution was a conspiracy and if it was as easy to prove false as you (hilariously) think it is, then everyone (everyone) who worked on it would know it was a lie. It's an absolutely ridiculous suggestion.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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We see evidence of the subtle work of the devil as he has undermined the right to worship as we please..do you think evolution should just be the only religion ? would really be interesting if we should digup darwin and ask him what he thinks now ?

I'd like to steer the questions away from evolution (if you don't get it by now you are either unable or unwilling to comprehend it) and towards the devil.

A few questions,
1) Have people been denied a place in heaven due to the Satan's trickery who otherwise would have been accepted?
2) Are Heaven and Hell eternal judgements (ie, once you're in, you're in)?
3) In Heaven are we restored to a 'pre original sin' state?
4) Is God Omnipotent?

I realise it is difficult to use the Socratic method in a forum discussion but if someone could answer all four questions it would be much appreciated.

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A few questions,
1) Have people been denied a place in heaven due to the Satan's trickery who otherwise would have been accepted?

Eve.

Had she been true to God's original commands she would not fallen for Satan's trickery.

Adam, as he followed Eve into the garden.

The whole world has since been doomed. We must now struggle for our own salvation.

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2) Are Heaven and Hell eternal judgements (ie, once you're in, you're in)?

Yes.

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3) In Heaven are we restored to a 'pre original sin' state?

Yes, we are in a pure state.

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4) Is God Omnipotent?

Yes, God is omnipotent, but it is not his sole desire to "win" the battle of good and evil. He has given us the freedom of choice to see if we will follow His commands. Heaven and Hell are simply his reward and punishment.

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and here was me thinking you were a pastafarian

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and here was me thinking you were a pastafarian

I've got about fifteen different personalities. One is a pastafarian, one is a fundamentalist christian, one likes to sacrifice baby rabbits, the other ones I can't tell you about....

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While those are in fact the exact answers I was expecting I would rather wait until someone who actually believes it answers me

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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That is assuming that all the supernatural stuff told in the bible is true. There is no evidence of any of that anywhere outside of stories in the bible.

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That is assuming that all the supernatural stuff told in the bible is true. There is no evidence of any of that anywhere outside of stories in the bible.

How dare you question the Bible?

Infidel!

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That is assuming that all the supernatural stuff told in the bible is true. There is no evidence of any of that anywhere outside of stories in the bible.

How dare you question the Bible?

Infidel!

lol. Doesn't look like it's being questioned as much as just laughed off as a fairy tale.

linz

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This bible?

http://www.venganza.org/worship/fsm-book/

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For some of us, evolutionary theory does not diminish, but in fact STRENGTHENS our belief in God.

I have a hard time understanding people who believe that if scientifically-describable mechanisms are present, then
God must be absent. What is so heretical about the idea that God created a system that actually works?

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For some of us, evolutionary theory does not diminish, but in fact STRENGTHENS our belief in God.

I have a hard time understanding people who believe that if scientifically-describable mechanisms are present, then
God must be absent. What is so heretical about the idea that God created a system that actually works?

Now you're getting into the deep seated beliefs that are driving this train.

Good work.

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This i can understand
good post

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I have a hard time understanding people who believe that if scientifically-describable mechanisms are present, then
God must be absent. What is so heretical about the idea that God created a system that actually works?

Well we can't have one extreme without the other. We need the people who believe evidence of evolution precludes the existence of any spiritual force to offset the people who believe that the existence of a spiritual force precludes the facts of science. If we didn't have those kinds of people, the world would be at peace, and comedians would be hard pressed for subject matter. And we all know the world just wouldn't be the same without comedians.

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For some of us, evolutionary theory does not diminish, but in fact STRENGTHENS our belief in God.

I have a hard time understanding people who believe that if scientifically-describable mechanisms are present, then
God must be absent. What is so heretical about the idea that God created a system that actually works?

I think it has to do with an unwillingness to modify ones beliefs, especially if what is proposed contradicts what is "written."

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For some of us, evolutionary theory does not diminish, but in fact STRENGTHENS our belief in God.

I have a hard time understanding people who believe that if scientifically-describable mechanisms are present, then
God must be absent. What is so heretical about the idea that God created a system that actually works?

Now you're getting into the deep seated beliefs that are driving this train.

Good work.

This is the main philosophical difference between most Christians in the U.K. and most in the USA. Evolution is not subject to the flat-Earth 'experts' you constantly hear in the U.S., I don't think you can fully appreciate it unless you experience it. It's not limited to evolution, Christians here will cite the moon rotating in phase with it's orbit as evidence of God, and if you politely explain tidal locks and the theories of impact formation well that's an argument against their faith. Its an endemic ignorance from people who don't have even the rudiments of a scientific education but seek to dictate what the curriculum should be. Just wait till you meet a U.S. biology major who doesn't believe in any form of evolution theory.

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We need the people who believe evidence of evolution precludes the existence of any spiritual force to offset the people who believe that the existence of a spiritual force precludes the facts of science.

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I've got about fifteen different personalities. One is a pastafarian, one is a fundamentalist christian, one likes to sacrifice baby rabbits, the other ones I can't tell you about....

I think one of your other, undisclosed personalities posted the above. That would be the intelligent, insightful one. Can't let that happen too often

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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For some of us, evolutionary theory does not diminish, but in fact STRENGTHENS our belief in God.

I have a hard time understanding people who believe that if scientifically-describable mechanisms are present, then
God must be absent. What is so heretical about the idea that God created a system that actually works?

Now you're getting into the deep seated beliefs that are driving this train.

Good work.

This is the main philosophical difference between most Christians in the U.K. and most in the USA. Evolution is not subject to the flat-Earth 'experts' you constantly hear in the U.S., I don't think you can fully appreciate it unless you experience it. It's not limited to evolution, Christians here will cite the moon rotating in phase with it's orbit as evidence of God, and if you politely explain tidal locks and the theories of impact formation well that's an argument against their faith. Its an endemic ignorance from people who don't have even the rudiments of a scientific education but seek to dictate what the curriculum should be. Just wait till you meet a U.S. biology major who doesn't believe in any form of evolution theory.

It's a bit of an overgeneralization about American Christians. Substitute "American Fundamentalist Christians" and you'd be right.

There are plenty of us American Christians who don't have a problem with evolutionary theory. And yes, I am also a biologist.

I do AIDS research, so maybe someone could say I'm interfering with God's plan to punish all the homos.

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I have a hard time understanding people who believe that if scientifically-describable mechanisms are present, then
God must be absent.[Crazy] What is so heretical about the idea that God created a system that actually works?[Crazy]

Well, having come up with the 'wedge' idea to get god into schools through Intelligent Design they live in perpetual fear of a wedge being applied to them.

I read an article from answersingenesis that someone linked to which unequivocably stated that accepting the earth was older than 10,000 years was the first step in denying faith and being swallowed up by the evil secular lies. That kind of fear is hugely powerful.

And of course many of them are either idiots or insane.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I have a hard time understanding people who believe that if scientifically-describable mechanisms are present, then
God must be absent.[Crazy] What is so heretical about the idea that God created a system that actually works?[Crazy]

Well, having come up with the 'wedge' idea to get god into schools through Intelligent Design they live in perpetual fear of a wedge being applied to them.

I read an article from answersingenesis that someone linked to which unequivocably stated that accepting the earth was older than 10,000 years was the first step in denying faith and being swallowed up by the evil secular lies. That kind of fear is hugely powerful.

And of course many of them are either idiots or insane.

Arguing with fundamentalists of any religion is about as fruitful as arguing with a cat.

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