This guy gets much respect from me(looong, I go off on a crazy rant!)

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I hear what you're saying.. and on some level can agree.... But (there's always a but


Also, to add, the NHS does, on occasion refuse treatment (or at least delay it) if it considered that the patient is overweight. They can be asked to retrn when they have lowered their weight to meet a set target.

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There was a special on TV a while back about a guy who weighed in at over 1000 pounds, medical examiners report that this man had absolutely no medical condition whatsoever that would cause this, he just like to eat, and his body shut down, he spent the last few years of his life laying in a bed unable to talk because it was too much of a strain, brealy able to breath, but he managed to eat, his wife cooked TONS for him and he ate himself to death, he just layed in bed and pissed and shit himself and his wife cleaned it up and kept on feeding him, IMO this was a waste of space on this planet, that space could've been occupied by about 6 healthy bodies that could have contributed to society, the worst part was his wife seemed to expect people to feel sorry for this man.

In this story from your original post you failed to mention where he blamed anyone on his condition.

Look... WE ALL have our prejudices. Even I do so yes I am the pot and you are the kettle and WE are black.

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[billvon 3,132]

>Your just being pedantic.

No, actually I'm asking if you're willing to live by your own suggestions. Pedantic would be arguing the definition of "obese" or something.

>The fact still remains; obesity is a problem and i think positive steps
>could be done to reverse the trend of more and more obese people
>in society.

I agree! But denying medical care is NOT one of the ways to reverse that trend. Indeed, it will make the problem worse. Some things that will make it better:

Education. Simple education as to how to live a more healthy lifestyle can help a lot.

Labeling. We already do a pretty good job labeling foods. We should probably extend that to restaraunts as well.

Civic planning. If we plan communities so people can walk or bike to the store/office/train station/bus station then we get everyone more exercise. If you have to drive everywhere, that's part of the problem.

[orribolollie 0]

Also, to add, the NHS does, on occasion refuse treatment (or at least delay it) if it considered that the patient is overweight. They can be asked to retrn when they have lowered their weight to meet a set target.

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I can only imagine this is when it is actually dangerous to operate given the patients weight.
I have seen this. A guy where I worked as a school leaver had a huge hernia (like the size of a tennis ball) that poked through the weak spot that was his belly button. (You could actually see this thing poking out in his shirt).
He was denied surgery by the NHS to fix his hernia. There reasoning was that he was so fat if they cut him open he would basically split wide open; they simply could not operate.
Still, didnt stop him going to the cafeteria each day to load up with fried breakfast.
This guy needed help. His life quality was truely miserable and he comforted his misery by just eating more and more garbage.
He could have been on some kind of lifestlye out-patient supervision that helped him get in shape for the op.
I dont think fixing is good medicine when a cure is available.

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You're just being pedantic.

Oh My God. someone being pedantic in Speaker's Corner?

are you sure?

next thing, [Blue]someone (you know, just any old poster) might "claim" another is partisan, or even just argumentative for the sake of entertainment. or even accuse them of going off on a tangent to grind a personal axe (also known as 'ask')

Edit: I replace the word "you" with "someone" in order to ease the tension as [Blue]someone get more familiar with the flavor of the forum.....

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[orribolollie 0]

next thing, you'll "claim" someone is partisan, or even just argumentative for the sake of entertainment. or even accuse them of going off on a tangent to grind a personal axe (also known as 'ask')

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This is a clear personal attack as you have added nothing to the thread till this point..and indeed even this post does not discuss the thread in anyway. If you dont like me tough, deal with it.
If you dont agree with my view then by all means argue your point.
According to the moderators, personal attacks are not allowed. Billvon was perfectly capable of replying to what i had wrote without your little addition.

In reply to Billvon. True, I dont want to see fat people turned away from ops if its detrimental to their condition. I also want to see some common sense and some action.

This is the point of a speakers corner rehmwa, you can have your views challenged and maybe reasses them. Not to play teams based on who your buddies are.
Or maybe Im wrong, perhaps Im being naive.

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This is a clear personal attack as you have added nothing to the thread till this point.............Or maybe Im wrong, perhaps Im being naive.

I'll check the rules to see if "adding nothing to the thread" if part of the definition of PA. (Check back later)

I was mocking the forum itself (and Billvon a little, he does tend to the pedantic at times), not you my fine feathered friend.

Look around at the general trend of posts. I forgot you're new here. You'll see the trend to claim of partisanship, arguing for the fun of it, and tangents. (littered all over the forum) it's the basic frustration.

And it's part of the charm.

Thanks for the laugh, that response was completely unexpected....

1 - taking yourself too seriously here will make you angry and tired, these are friends, relax and have fun with us

2 - even the best of threads have chaff in it

Let me axe you something.... "do you really think Billvon is my 'buddy'?

actually, I admire that you still think this is a serious forum and wish you the best in that assumption. I'll back you up the day you put out something truly honest that is not really PC (hoping for honest feedback) and everybody unfairly jumps down your throat for it. It's killed some pretty decent thinkers here (of various opinions)

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[orribolollie 0]

Ok nice one. I do have potential to take myself a little serious I guess...

Id hate to think that nothing was being gleened from this forum though.

I know ive learnt a thing or two already re. my SUV rant. You rant you loose - my point was lost because of how I presented it. It wont happen again!

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Ok nice one.

apparently not that nice - I'm on a cynical kick lately. I'll be more obtuse in the future. I don't want you put off, we've lost too many good debators because of the abuse they get from the PC (left and right) absolutists......

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[orribolollie 0]

Oh dont be dissapointed, theres plenty of fight in me yet!

[rehmwa 2]

now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing

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[orribolollie 0]

now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing

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now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing

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I'll back you up the day you put out something truly honest that is not really PC (hoping for honest feedback) and everybody unfairly jumps down your throat for it. It's killed some pretty decent thinkers here (of various opinions)

What, hey, look its like I told the police - I've got an alibi, you can't prove I was there, it was probably just a terrible accident!

Oh wait, you meant figuratively killed - ah well, ok then, move on, nothing to see here

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I know this is a little off topic and I'll probably get labelled with the obvious, but did anyone catch The Biggest Loser last night?

It was some kind of ultimate grand finale for a reality show about who can lose the most weight.

I loathe reality shows and this one has always seemed cheesier than most, but last night they had all these fit, nice looking people who were almost half their previous body weight. A bunch of them were under 60% of their former weight. One guy had lost 55% of his previous weight. 330 to 150.

They all had these depressing stories about their obese former lives... and now they're all fit.

It was impressive.

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What, hey, look its like I told the police - I've got an alibi, you can't prove I was there, it was probably just a terrible accident!

Probably off telling some school children, singing Christmas carols, to shut the fuck up!!!














I keed.

[jakee 1,610]

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[GQ_jumper 4]

This is a clear personal attack as you have added nothing to the thread till this point..

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lighten up, rehmwa is one of the few people in these forums that doesn't get out of control when the debate doesn't go his way, if I had half the amount of self control he did I wouldn't be on here nearly as much.

You are welcome to post all you want and contribute absolutely nothing, that's not a personal attack.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

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