willard 0 #1 December 12, 2006 It seems where ever you turn these days someone is being proclaimed a "hero". But just what is a hero? Sports stars? Public servants? Are we somehow degrading what a true hero is by slapping the title onto anyone who saves a kitten from being deep-fried in a New York resturaunt? Your thoughts please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #2 December 12, 2006 A hero is a school board member who fights to keep Intelligent Design out of the Science curriculum.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #3 December 12, 2006 A hero is someone who fully understands the potential consequences of doing the right thing, and then does it anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
namgrunt 0 #4 December 12, 2006 my father .59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI) www.dzmemories.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #5 December 12, 2006 It is a type of sandwitch. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #6 December 12, 2006 A hero is someone who fully understands the potential consequences of doing the right thing, and then does it anyway. Quote I second that, couldnt' have said it better myself.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #7 December 12, 2006 QuoteA hero is someone who fully understands the potential consequences of doing the right thing, and then does it anyway. The "right thing" has to have seriously negative potential consequences, though. Some "right things" don't have negative consequences at all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #8 December 12, 2006 A hero is in the eye of the beholder. A man saving a kitten from a tree is a hero in the eyes of the little kid whose cat was just saved. A soldier who jumps on a live grenade to save his men is a hero in the hearts of his men and fellow soldiers. A mother who stretches every penny to keep food on the table is a hero in the eyes of her hungry family. Negative consequence is not a prerequisite, but it does get more attention.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #9 December 12, 2006 A platoon sergeant who stops a man from bleeding to death, stays an extra night in the field when he could have left on the last chopper, and gets killed early the next morning. He was and still is my hero.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #10 December 12, 2006 A hero is someone who does something outside of peoples' expectations. Lenny Skutnik is what I think of as a "hero." An ordinary citizen who proved himself an extraordinary citizen. "I couldn't just stand there and do nothing." Same with Roger Olian, who was another bystander that day who could not just hope something happened. Arland D. Williams is another person who performed an extraordinary act of heroism on that same date in the same location - giving his life. While I agree with Nightingale's definition, I think it needs to be a person who necessaurly puts himself at peril. A hero is a person who is proactive - doing those things that others lack the initiative to do. Like Skutnik and Olian. And Williams... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #11 December 12, 2006 Quotemy father . Thats really nice, but what is it that makes him a hero?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #12 December 12, 2006 QuoteA hero is in the eye of the beholder. A man saving a kitten from a tree is a hero in the eyes of the little kid whose cat was just saved. A soldier who jumps on a live grenade to save his men is a hero in the hearts of his men and fellow soldiers. A mother who stretches every penny to keep food on the table is a hero in the eyes of her hungry family. Negative consequence is not a prerequisite, but it does get more attention. That is the best answer yet.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hymandd732 0 #13 December 12, 2006 I don't know what percentage of Medals of Honor have been awarded for "jumping on a live grenade" but the truth is in the majority of cases where this has happened it is a result of a soldier seeing the grenade and realizing that the only chance he may have is containing the explosion by trapping it under his helmet. There is no time to think of "saving his buddies". It is merely a move of desperation in attempting to survive. Lets stop the BSFreefall Hall Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #14 December 12, 2006 I think the point was. QuoteA hero is in the eye of the beholderWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #15 December 12, 2006 I know several guys who fit the given definitions, they would be embarrassed to have it said about them in their presence. Humility must be one of those traits. My own father was, he said he was nothing more than a sailor, and a soldier. I did not dare disagree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #16 December 12, 2006 I must admit I get more than a little irked when I hear people these days claiming that someone is a hero just because they have served in the military – or perhaps that they served in the military in a theater of war or in combat. Those actions are vocational choices of the individual and/or the performance of a duty to which the individual voluntary selected to subscribe. Now when a soldier, (/airman/sailor/etc etc), exceeds the remit of their duties in some way then yes they might often be properly described as a hero, often a very great hero. To me, the automatic labeling of anyone who served in the remotest way as a "hero" merely cheapens in a most deplorable way a title which ought to be applied to only those who truly deserve it. It's kinda like advocating that everyone should get the Medal of Honor instead of an appropriate Campaign Medal – extremely disrespectful IMO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #17 December 12, 2006 QuoteI don't know what percentage of Medals of Honor have been awarded for "jumping on a live grenade" but the truth is in the majority of cases where this has happened it is a result of a soldier seeing the grenade and realizing that the only chance he may have is containing the explosion by trapping it under his helmet. There is no time to think of "saving his buddies". It is merely a move of desperation in attempting to survive. Lets stop the BS What's BS is the idea that a helmet can contain the explosion of a grenade. It can't. Even if it could, it doesn't diminish the point I was trying to make.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #18 December 12, 2006 Affirmative, a helmet will just make more shrapnel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #19 December 12, 2006 happened it is a result of a soldier seeing the grenade and realizing that the only chance he may have is containing the explosion by trapping it under his helmetQuote and you know this why, did you ask all of them why they jumped on the grenade? If you did you must be one hell of a clairvoyant, and even if they were trying to trap the explosion under their helmet, who are you to say it was in defense of their own life and not their friends. Simple fact is that their actions more than likely resulted in one of their teammates going home alive, this action cost them their own life, how does this not justify a MOH. What happened in your life that would cause you to speak in such a negative manner about those who have achieved great things in combat?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #20 December 12, 2006 Dude don't even worry about it. He does not know what he is talking about. Though, those little grenades can be very deceiving...they are small, and still, I am surprised by how big a boom they make.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #21 December 12, 2006 QuoteDude don't even worry about it. He does not know what he is talking about. Though, those little grenades can be very deceiving...they are small, and still, I am surprised by how big a boom they make. The hand grenade is about the only weapon that Hollywood doesn't exaggerate about. In fact, Hollywood tends to downplay the true explosive power of a grenade.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites namgrunt 0 #22 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuotemy father . Thats really nice, but what is it that makes him a hero? my father was a company commander on Battan and Corragidor and when ordered to surrender called his outfit together and explained the order and allowed each soldier to decide for himself. my father and his first sargent decided not to surrender but rather went into the jungle and mountains for a year finally getting out on a submarine. His entire life he did what was the right and just thing even when no one would know he did. He raised his children ,supported his family,worked his way through college, was kicked out of his home at 15 years of age because his drunk step father would beat his mother and one day he decided enough and confronted him. My father was a moral,ethical,modest and honorable man till the day he passed away with cancer,never complaining but more concurned with making shure mother was OK . My father was my hero ,and set the example I try to copy ..59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI) www.dzmemories.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NlghtJumper 0 #23 December 13, 2006 "Some say a hero is born to be brave, but I am here to tell you a hero is a scared man who won't walk away..." -Kenni Thomas To me, everyone who puts on a uniform and vows to protect others no matter the situation are the true heros. A man will do anything for the right woman, and when that woman destroys him, that man will become a hunk of meat with the common sense of a rodeo clown! ~ Christopher Titus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #24 December 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotemy father . Thats really nice, but what is it that makes him a hero? my father was a company commander on Battan and Corragidor and when ordered to surrender called his outfit together and explained the order and allowed each soldier to decide for himself. my father and his first sargent decided not to surrender but rather went into the jungle and mountains for a year finally getting out on a submarine. His entire life he did what was the right and just thing even when no one would know he did. He raised his children ,supported his family,worked his way through college, was kicked out of his home at 15 years of age because his drunk step father would beat his mother and one day he decided enough and confronted him. My father was a moral,ethical,modest and honorable man till the day he passed away with cancer,never complaining but more concurned with making shure mother was OK . My father was my hero ,and set the example I try to copy .. I think I'd have to agree with you.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rebecca 0 #25 January 13, 2007 QuoteI don't know what percentage of Medals of Honor have been awarded for "jumping on a live grenade" but the truth is in the majority of cases where this has happened it is a result of a soldier seeing the grenade and realizing that the only chance he may have is containing the explosion by trapping it under his helmet. There is no time to think of "saving his buddies". It is merely a move of desperation in attempting to survive. Lets stop the BS Look up Marine Cpl. Jason Dunham and give yourself a reality check. Start with what you actually know. Edit: In fact, here - this is what a hero looks like. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? 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kallend 2,150 #7 December 12, 2006 QuoteA hero is someone who fully understands the potential consequences of doing the right thing, and then does it anyway. The "right thing" has to have seriously negative potential consequences, though. Some "right things" don't have negative consequences at all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #8 December 12, 2006 A hero is in the eye of the beholder. A man saving a kitten from a tree is a hero in the eyes of the little kid whose cat was just saved. A soldier who jumps on a live grenade to save his men is a hero in the hearts of his men and fellow soldiers. A mother who stretches every penny to keep food on the table is a hero in the eyes of her hungry family. Negative consequence is not a prerequisite, but it does get more attention.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #9 December 12, 2006 A platoon sergeant who stops a man from bleeding to death, stays an extra night in the field when he could have left on the last chopper, and gets killed early the next morning. He was and still is my hero.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #10 December 12, 2006 A hero is someone who does something outside of peoples' expectations. Lenny Skutnik is what I think of as a "hero." An ordinary citizen who proved himself an extraordinary citizen. "I couldn't just stand there and do nothing." Same with Roger Olian, who was another bystander that day who could not just hope something happened. Arland D. Williams is another person who performed an extraordinary act of heroism on that same date in the same location - giving his life. While I agree with Nightingale's definition, I think it needs to be a person who necessaurly puts himself at peril. A hero is a person who is proactive - doing those things that others lack the initiative to do. Like Skutnik and Olian. And Williams... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #11 December 12, 2006 Quotemy father . Thats really nice, but what is it that makes him a hero?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #12 December 12, 2006 QuoteA hero is in the eye of the beholder. A man saving a kitten from a tree is a hero in the eyes of the little kid whose cat was just saved. A soldier who jumps on a live grenade to save his men is a hero in the hearts of his men and fellow soldiers. A mother who stretches every penny to keep food on the table is a hero in the eyes of her hungry family. Negative consequence is not a prerequisite, but it does get more attention. That is the best answer yet.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hymandd732 0 #13 December 12, 2006 I don't know what percentage of Medals of Honor have been awarded for "jumping on a live grenade" but the truth is in the majority of cases where this has happened it is a result of a soldier seeing the grenade and realizing that the only chance he may have is containing the explosion by trapping it under his helmet. There is no time to think of "saving his buddies". It is merely a move of desperation in attempting to survive. Lets stop the BSFreefall Hall Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #14 December 12, 2006 I think the point was. QuoteA hero is in the eye of the beholderWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #15 December 12, 2006 I know several guys who fit the given definitions, they would be embarrassed to have it said about them in their presence. Humility must be one of those traits. My own father was, he said he was nothing more than a sailor, and a soldier. I did not dare disagree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #16 December 12, 2006 I must admit I get more than a little irked when I hear people these days claiming that someone is a hero just because they have served in the military – or perhaps that they served in the military in a theater of war or in combat. Those actions are vocational choices of the individual and/or the performance of a duty to which the individual voluntary selected to subscribe. Now when a soldier, (/airman/sailor/etc etc), exceeds the remit of their duties in some way then yes they might often be properly described as a hero, often a very great hero. To me, the automatic labeling of anyone who served in the remotest way as a "hero" merely cheapens in a most deplorable way a title which ought to be applied to only those who truly deserve it. It's kinda like advocating that everyone should get the Medal of Honor instead of an appropriate Campaign Medal – extremely disrespectful IMO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #17 December 12, 2006 QuoteI don't know what percentage of Medals of Honor have been awarded for "jumping on a live grenade" but the truth is in the majority of cases where this has happened it is a result of a soldier seeing the grenade and realizing that the only chance he may have is containing the explosion by trapping it under his helmet. There is no time to think of "saving his buddies". It is merely a move of desperation in attempting to survive. Lets stop the BS What's BS is the idea that a helmet can contain the explosion of a grenade. It can't. Even if it could, it doesn't diminish the point I was trying to make.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #18 December 12, 2006 Affirmative, a helmet will just make more shrapnel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #19 December 12, 2006 happened it is a result of a soldier seeing the grenade and realizing that the only chance he may have is containing the explosion by trapping it under his helmetQuote and you know this why, did you ask all of them why they jumped on the grenade? If you did you must be one hell of a clairvoyant, and even if they were trying to trap the explosion under their helmet, who are you to say it was in defense of their own life and not their friends. Simple fact is that their actions more than likely resulted in one of their teammates going home alive, this action cost them their own life, how does this not justify a MOH. What happened in your life that would cause you to speak in such a negative manner about those who have achieved great things in combat?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #20 December 12, 2006 Dude don't even worry about it. He does not know what he is talking about. Though, those little grenades can be very deceiving...they are small, and still, I am surprised by how big a boom they make.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #21 December 12, 2006 QuoteDude don't even worry about it. He does not know what he is talking about. Though, those little grenades can be very deceiving...they are small, and still, I am surprised by how big a boom they make. The hand grenade is about the only weapon that Hollywood doesn't exaggerate about. In fact, Hollywood tends to downplay the true explosive power of a grenade.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites namgrunt 0 #22 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuotemy father . Thats really nice, but what is it that makes him a hero? my father was a company commander on Battan and Corragidor and when ordered to surrender called his outfit together and explained the order and allowed each soldier to decide for himself. my father and his first sargent decided not to surrender but rather went into the jungle and mountains for a year finally getting out on a submarine. His entire life he did what was the right and just thing even when no one would know he did. He raised his children ,supported his family,worked his way through college, was kicked out of his home at 15 years of age because his drunk step father would beat his mother and one day he decided enough and confronted him. My father was a moral,ethical,modest and honorable man till the day he passed away with cancer,never complaining but more concurned with making shure mother was OK . My father was my hero ,and set the example I try to copy ..59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI) www.dzmemories.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NlghtJumper 0 #23 December 13, 2006 "Some say a hero is born to be brave, but I am here to tell you a hero is a scared man who won't walk away..." -Kenni Thomas To me, everyone who puts on a uniform and vows to protect others no matter the situation are the true heros. A man will do anything for the right woman, and when that woman destroys him, that man will become a hunk of meat with the common sense of a rodeo clown! ~ Christopher Titus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #24 December 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotemy father . Thats really nice, but what is it that makes him a hero? my father was a company commander on Battan and Corragidor and when ordered to surrender called his outfit together and explained the order and allowed each soldier to decide for himself. my father and his first sargent decided not to surrender but rather went into the jungle and mountains for a year finally getting out on a submarine. His entire life he did what was the right and just thing even when no one would know he did. He raised his children ,supported his family,worked his way through college, was kicked out of his home at 15 years of age because his drunk step father would beat his mother and one day he decided enough and confronted him. My father was a moral,ethical,modest and honorable man till the day he passed away with cancer,never complaining but more concurned with making shure mother was OK . My father was my hero ,and set the example I try to copy .. I think I'd have to agree with you.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rebecca 0 #25 January 13, 2007 QuoteI don't know what percentage of Medals of Honor have been awarded for "jumping on a live grenade" but the truth is in the majority of cases where this has happened it is a result of a soldier seeing the grenade and realizing that the only chance he may have is containing the explosion by trapping it under his helmet. There is no time to think of "saving his buddies". It is merely a move of desperation in attempting to survive. Lets stop the BS Look up Marine Cpl. Jason Dunham and give yourself a reality check. Start with what you actually know. Edit: In fact, here - this is what a hero looks like. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? 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Gawain 0 #20 December 12, 2006 Dude don't even worry about it. He does not know what he is talking about. Though, those little grenades can be very deceiving...they are small, and still, I am surprised by how big a boom they make.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #21 December 12, 2006 QuoteDude don't even worry about it. He does not know what he is talking about. Though, those little grenades can be very deceiving...they are small, and still, I am surprised by how big a boom they make. The hand grenade is about the only weapon that Hollywood doesn't exaggerate about. In fact, Hollywood tends to downplay the true explosive power of a grenade.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
namgrunt 0 #22 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuotemy father . Thats really nice, but what is it that makes him a hero? my father was a company commander on Battan and Corragidor and when ordered to surrender called his outfit together and explained the order and allowed each soldier to decide for himself. my father and his first sargent decided not to surrender but rather went into the jungle and mountains for a year finally getting out on a submarine. His entire life he did what was the right and just thing even when no one would know he did. He raised his children ,supported his family,worked his way through college, was kicked out of his home at 15 years of age because his drunk step father would beat his mother and one day he decided enough and confronted him. My father was a moral,ethical,modest and honorable man till the day he passed away with cancer,never complaining but more concurned with making shure mother was OK . My father was my hero ,and set the example I try to copy ..59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI) www.dzmemories.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NlghtJumper 0 #23 December 13, 2006 "Some say a hero is born to be brave, but I am here to tell you a hero is a scared man who won't walk away..." -Kenni Thomas To me, everyone who puts on a uniform and vows to protect others no matter the situation are the true heros. A man will do anything for the right woman, and when that woman destroys him, that man will become a hunk of meat with the common sense of a rodeo clown! ~ Christopher Titus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #24 December 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotemy father . Thats really nice, but what is it that makes him a hero? my father was a company commander on Battan and Corragidor and when ordered to surrender called his outfit together and explained the order and allowed each soldier to decide for himself. my father and his first sargent decided not to surrender but rather went into the jungle and mountains for a year finally getting out on a submarine. His entire life he did what was the right and just thing even when no one would know he did. He raised his children ,supported his family,worked his way through college, was kicked out of his home at 15 years of age because his drunk step father would beat his mother and one day he decided enough and confronted him. My father was a moral,ethical,modest and honorable man till the day he passed away with cancer,never complaining but more concurned with making shure mother was OK . My father was my hero ,and set the example I try to copy .. I think I'd have to agree with you.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #25 January 13, 2007 QuoteI don't know what percentage of Medals of Honor have been awarded for "jumping on a live grenade" but the truth is in the majority of cases where this has happened it is a result of a soldier seeing the grenade and realizing that the only chance he may have is containing the explosion by trapping it under his helmet. There is no time to think of "saving his buddies". It is merely a move of desperation in attempting to survive. Lets stop the BS Look up Marine Cpl. Jason Dunham and give yourself a reality check. Start with what you actually know. Edit: In fact, here - this is what a hero looks like. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites