yjumpinoz 0 #1 December 11, 2006 It seems that the trend in getting rid of Christ from Christmas is to go to wishing people a Happy Holiday. But doesn't the word actually come from Holy day? I would sure hate to offend an agnostic or atheist by wishing them anything to do with a "religion". Maybe the ACLU could come up with something more generic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #2 December 11, 2006 Merry Christmas!So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #3 December 11, 2006 QuoteIt seems that the trend in getting rid of Christ from Christmas is to go to wishing people a Happy Holiday. But doesn't the word actually come from Holy day? I would sure hate to offend an agnostic or atheist by wishing them anything to do with a "religion". Maybe the ACLU could come up with something more generic. I'm an atheist, and you can say Christmas to me.If you start bitching about the trend of removing Christ from the holiday though I will have to point out that it wasn't his to begin withDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #4 December 11, 2006 I'm so sick of the "keep the Christ in Christmas" crap. Do we really want to remind people of the birth of Jesus as they buy junk on credit to put under the tree so that there can be an orgy of consumerism on Christmas eve or morning? If the point is to wish people well, why not do it in a way that doesn't aggressively say "this is our holiday, ours, ours, ours and we're only letting you share it." Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #5 December 11, 2006 QuoteIf you start bitching about the trend of removing Christ from the holiday though I will have to point out that it wasn't his to begin with Christmas hasn't always been about Christ? No kidding. You might want to do a little research to see if Christmas is the same or completely separate from other non-Christian celebrations that happen about the same time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #6 December 11, 2006 QuoteI'm so sick of the "keep the Christ in Christmas" crap. Do we really want to remind people of the birth of Jesus as they buy junk on credit to put under the tree so that there can be an orgy of consumerism on Christmas eve or morning? If the point is to wish people well, why not do it in a way that doesn't aggressively say "this is our holiday, ours, ours, ours and we're only letting you share it." Wendy W. Corrupted/commercialized or not... it's still about Christmas. Trying to neutralize that key fact (that it's still about Christmas) is weak sauce. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #7 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteIf you start bitching about the trend of removing Christ from the holiday though I will have to point out that it wasn't his to begin with Christmas hasn't always been about Christ? No kidding. You might want to do a little research to see if Christmas is the same or completely separate from other non-Christian celebrations that happen about the same time. I said from the holiday. Read it and weep Sucka!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #8 December 11, 2006 I agree, I don't like all this happy holiday talk. Its Christmas, or Hanneka for the Jews.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #9 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf you start bitching about the trend of removing Christ from the holiday though I will have to point out that it wasn't his to begin with Christmas hasn't always been about Christ? No kidding. You might want to do a little research to see if Christmas is the same or completely separate from other non-Christian celebrations that happen about the same time. I said from the holiday. Read it and weep Sucka! Right. The CHRISTMAS holiday!!! What's your point? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #10 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'm so sick of the "keep the Christ in Christmas" crap. Do we really want to remind people of the birth of Jesus as they buy junk on credit to put under the tree so that there can be an orgy of consumerism on Christmas eve or morning? If the point is to wish people well, why not do it in a way that doesn't aggressively say "this is our holiday, ours, ours, ours and we're only letting you share it." I don't see it that way. If someone were to wish me a happy Hanakah, or happy rammadan, I would appreciate that they were willing to extend a statement of good wishes in the spirit of thier faith to me even though I am not a member of thier religion. I would take it as a gesture of good faith, rather than feeling forcefed. Why during my religions holiday can I not have the same freedom to extend my well wishes without being accused of violating some PC code. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,596 #11 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf you start bitching about the trend of removing Christ from the holiday though I will have to point out that it wasn't his to begin with Christmas hasn't always been about Christ? No kidding. You might want to do a little research to see if Christmas is the same or completely separate from other non-Christian celebrations that happen about the same time. I said from the holiday. Read it and weep Sucka! Right. The CHRISTMAS holiday!!! That is pretty much contiguous with the various Yule/ Saturnalia holidays (except for a few breaks where the christians banned it) that stretch much further back. Jesus is not the reason for a winter holiday. If you didn't know by now that was my point then I doubt this will help.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #12 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf you start bitching about the trend of removing Christ from the holiday though I will have to point out that it wasn't his to begin with Christmas hasn't always been about Christ? No kidding. You might want to do a little research to see if Christmas is the same or completely separate from other non-Christian celebrations that happen about the same time. I said from the holiday. Read it and weep Sucka! Right. The CHRISTMAS holiday!!! That is pretty much contiguous with the various Yule/ Saturnalia holidays (except for a few breaks where the christians banned it) that stretch much further back. Jesus is not the reason for a winter holiday. If you didn't know by now that was my point then I doubt this will help. Is pedant a British term? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vortexring 0 #13 December 11, 2006 Whilst on the subject of Christmas, the Czech's are getting fairly peeved at all the Santa Clauses popping up in Prague. They tell their kid's Jezisek brings the presents so it's causing some confusion. Should there be international restrictions put on Santa? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #14 December 11, 2006 QuoteIt seems that the trend in getting rid of Christ from Christmas is to go to wishing people a Happy Holiday. But doesn't the word actually come from Holy day? I would sure hate to offend an agnostic or atheist by wishing them anything to do with a "religion". Maybe the ACLU could come up with something more generic. It's the solstice for everyone, and all of these celebrations (including Christmas) are actually based on pagan solstice celebrations. I put up my Solstice Tree yesterday.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yjumpinoz 0 #15 December 11, 2006 I guess my intent was not to argue the legitimacy of Christmas, but to question why someone would celebrate something that they do not believe in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #16 December 11, 2006 here's a concept: let people do whatever they want & stop worrying about being victimized. that goes for both sides (christians & non-christians) Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #17 December 11, 2006 QuoteWhilst on the subject of Christmas, the Czech's are getting fairly peeved at all the Santa Clauses popping up in Prague. They tell their kid's Jezisek brings the presents so it's causing some confusion. Should there be international restrictions put on Santa? I know what i want to give all the hot Czech girls for Christmas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites champu 1 #18 December 11, 2006 QuoteI would sure hate to offend an agnostic or atheist by wishing them anything to do with a "religion". My desire to be generally personable outweighs my desire to profess my stance on religion during the exchange of pleasantries this or any other time of year. Which, in more general terms, is not a difficult thing to outweigh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #19 December 11, 2006 QuoteI guess my intent was not to argue the legitimacy of Christmas, but to question why someone would celebrate something that they do not believe in. The solstice is an astronomical event, not a matter of belief. We can ALL celebrate solstice in the traditional way - with feasting and decorated trees.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #20 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhilst on the subject of Christmas, the Czech's are getting fairly peeved at all the Santa Clauses popping up in Prague. They tell their kid's Jezisek brings the presents so it's causing some confusion. Should there be international restrictions put on Santa? I know what i want to give all the hot Czech girls for Christmas. A Czech-mate?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #21 December 11, 2006 QuoteThe solstice is an astronomical event, not a matter of belief. We can ALL celebrate solstice in the traditional way - with feasting and decorated trees. how is celebrating an astronomical event any more or less superstitious than celebrating a religious date (which might just also be based on an astronomical event). I like to celebrate large solar flare events and, eventually, the expansion and collapse of the sun, with the "Feast of Panic, Storing Water, and Sunblock". Several virgins will be sacrificed. They can be Czech if we like. In all cases, we'll kill a few trees and decorate them as they slowly die while we feast. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #22 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe solstice is an astronomical event, not a matter of belief. We can ALL celebrate solstice in the traditional way - with feasting and decorated trees. how is celebrating an astronomical event any more or less superstitious than celebrating a religious date (which might just also be based on an astronomical event). . Why is Solstice as an excuse for a party and decorations "superstitious"? What excuses for parties are not superstitious? The "year" is just an astronomical item too, so all birthdays and anniversaries are off limits in your philosophy?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #23 December 11, 2006 QuoteI put up my Solstice Tree yesterday. Is it decorated? How so? Any decorations typically considered Christmas tree decorations? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #24 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteI put up my Solstice Tree yesterday. Is it decorated? How so? Any decorations typically considered Christmas tree decorations? Lots of lights. I suppose that's Hannuka. And a star, that's for astronomy. And glass balls (celebrating materials engineering), and a Santa (celebrating mass merchandizing), and reindeer (celebrating Gene Autry), candy canes (celebrating dentists), snowmen and faux snowflakes (for the meteorologists), a toy nutcracker (Tchaikowski), a couple of toy rockinghorses (not sure what they symbolize)...... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #25 December 11, 2006 >and a Santa (celebrating mass merchandizing) I suspect you have a "Coca-Cola Santa" - Coke portrayed him as a jolly, overweight, bearded, red-suit-wearing fellow, and pushed that image everywhere. Before that he was often portrayed as a wizened old elf (i.e. "Twas the Night before Christmas") or a tall, thin man wearing religious robes (the dutch legend of Sinterklaas.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 1 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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jakee 1,596 #11 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf you start bitching about the trend of removing Christ from the holiday though I will have to point out that it wasn't his to begin with Christmas hasn't always been about Christ? No kidding. You might want to do a little research to see if Christmas is the same or completely separate from other non-Christian celebrations that happen about the same time. I said from the holiday. Read it and weep Sucka! Right. The CHRISTMAS holiday!!! That is pretty much contiguous with the various Yule/ Saturnalia holidays (except for a few breaks where the christians banned it) that stretch much further back. Jesus is not the reason for a winter holiday. If you didn't know by now that was my point then I doubt this will help.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #12 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf you start bitching about the trend of removing Christ from the holiday though I will have to point out that it wasn't his to begin with Christmas hasn't always been about Christ? No kidding. You might want to do a little research to see if Christmas is the same or completely separate from other non-Christian celebrations that happen about the same time. I said from the holiday. Read it and weep Sucka! Right. The CHRISTMAS holiday!!! That is pretty much contiguous with the various Yule/ Saturnalia holidays (except for a few breaks where the christians banned it) that stretch much further back. Jesus is not the reason for a winter holiday. If you didn't know by now that was my point then I doubt this will help. Is pedant a British term? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #13 December 11, 2006 Whilst on the subject of Christmas, the Czech's are getting fairly peeved at all the Santa Clauses popping up in Prague. They tell their kid's Jezisek brings the presents so it's causing some confusion. Should there be international restrictions put on Santa? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #14 December 11, 2006 QuoteIt seems that the trend in getting rid of Christ from Christmas is to go to wishing people a Happy Holiday. But doesn't the word actually come from Holy day? I would sure hate to offend an agnostic or atheist by wishing them anything to do with a "religion". Maybe the ACLU could come up with something more generic. It's the solstice for everyone, and all of these celebrations (including Christmas) are actually based on pagan solstice celebrations. I put up my Solstice Tree yesterday.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yjumpinoz 0 #15 December 11, 2006 I guess my intent was not to argue the legitimacy of Christmas, but to question why someone would celebrate something that they do not believe in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #16 December 11, 2006 here's a concept: let people do whatever they want & stop worrying about being victimized. that goes for both sides (christians & non-christians) Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #17 December 11, 2006 QuoteWhilst on the subject of Christmas, the Czech's are getting fairly peeved at all the Santa Clauses popping up in Prague. They tell their kid's Jezisek brings the presents so it's causing some confusion. Should there be international restrictions put on Santa? I know what i want to give all the hot Czech girls for Christmas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #18 December 11, 2006 QuoteI would sure hate to offend an agnostic or atheist by wishing them anything to do with a "religion". My desire to be generally personable outweighs my desire to profess my stance on religion during the exchange of pleasantries this or any other time of year. Which, in more general terms, is not a difficult thing to outweigh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #19 December 11, 2006 QuoteI guess my intent was not to argue the legitimacy of Christmas, but to question why someone would celebrate something that they do not believe in. The solstice is an astronomical event, not a matter of belief. We can ALL celebrate solstice in the traditional way - with feasting and decorated trees.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #20 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhilst on the subject of Christmas, the Czech's are getting fairly peeved at all the Santa Clauses popping up in Prague. They tell their kid's Jezisek brings the presents so it's causing some confusion. Should there be international restrictions put on Santa? I know what i want to give all the hot Czech girls for Christmas. A Czech-mate?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #21 December 11, 2006 QuoteThe solstice is an astronomical event, not a matter of belief. We can ALL celebrate solstice in the traditional way - with feasting and decorated trees. how is celebrating an astronomical event any more or less superstitious than celebrating a religious date (which might just also be based on an astronomical event). I like to celebrate large solar flare events and, eventually, the expansion and collapse of the sun, with the "Feast of Panic, Storing Water, and Sunblock". Several virgins will be sacrificed. They can be Czech if we like. In all cases, we'll kill a few trees and decorate them as they slowly die while we feast. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #22 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe solstice is an astronomical event, not a matter of belief. We can ALL celebrate solstice in the traditional way - with feasting and decorated trees. how is celebrating an astronomical event any more or less superstitious than celebrating a religious date (which might just also be based on an astronomical event). . Why is Solstice as an excuse for a party and decorations "superstitious"? What excuses for parties are not superstitious? The "year" is just an astronomical item too, so all birthdays and anniversaries are off limits in your philosophy?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #23 December 11, 2006 QuoteI put up my Solstice Tree yesterday. Is it decorated? How so? Any decorations typically considered Christmas tree decorations? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #24 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteI put up my Solstice Tree yesterday. Is it decorated? How so? Any decorations typically considered Christmas tree decorations? Lots of lights. I suppose that's Hannuka. And a star, that's for astronomy. And glass balls (celebrating materials engineering), and a Santa (celebrating mass merchandizing), and reindeer (celebrating Gene Autry), candy canes (celebrating dentists), snowmen and faux snowflakes (for the meteorologists), a toy nutcracker (Tchaikowski), a couple of toy rockinghorses (not sure what they symbolize)...... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #25 December 11, 2006 >and a Santa (celebrating mass merchandizing) I suspect you have a "Coca-Cola Santa" - Coke portrayed him as a jolly, overweight, bearded, red-suit-wearing fellow, and pushed that image everywhere. Before that he was often portrayed as a wizened old elf (i.e. "Twas the Night before Christmas") or a tall, thin man wearing religious robes (the dutch legend of Sinterklaas.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
