jcd11235 0 #76 December 11, 2006 QuoteThese two sentences are oxymoronic.Quote how so, say what ever you like, but if you are going to say something that could piss someone off don't hide. How so? The statements are contradictory. The "you have the freedom to say what you want as long as I have the opportunity to kick your ass if I don't like what you say" attitude is not free speech. It doesn't even resemble free speech. It's using fear of violence to deter free speech. You are hiding behind your keyboard as much or as little as any other poster. Just because the internet is remote does not mean the freedom to speak one's mind should be curtailed by law or force. If someone is so immature that they feel compelled to violence every time their feelings are hurt, they have personal issues that go way beyond any topic at hand, and should probably seek professional help.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #77 December 11, 2006 Quotethey came over here on 9/11 weather you agree with the war or not do NOT diss those that stepped up to the plate to defend us. The Iraqis came over here on 9/11? That's news. We are "dissing" those incompetent leaders whose false propaganda would have us believe that the Iraq war is defending us from anything.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #78 December 11, 2006 QuoteSure, then How come I get your lovely messages from you, now that I'm far from the US Personally I would like to check that IP you are coming in on.. OH..... And when the MAN says take it to PM's.... that is what they are there for... BUT YOU are the one who copies the PM's back into the public forum....otherwise I would REALLY tell you how I feel about your personal attacks. Dont worry I would NEVER post some of the PM's YOU have sent. Its called INTEGRITY. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites namgrunt 0 #79 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuote lets all remember just who started this mess. 15 Saudis,2 UAE citizens,1 Lebanese and 1 Egyptian I think. ......................................... ok let me explain it for you when you go fishing you go to the creek deer hunting..go to the forest terrorist hunting..hummmm go to ?? o I know you go to where the terrorist are..Iraq.Afgan,Sumalia,etc etc. all we really have to do is stand there and the fools will come to us.makes it easier to arrange for them to be martyrs dead that is and the answer as to why the U.S. gets involved..because we can and no one else will ..59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI) www.dzmemories.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #80 December 12, 2006 QuoteI know you go to where the terrorist are..Iraq.Afgan,Sumalia,etc etc. Don't forget Montana, North Carolina and Oklahoma.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #81 December 12, 2006 >terrorist hunting..hummmm go to ?? Well, certainly not Iraq, at least in 2003. But we solved that problem by invading and creating more! >all we really have to do is stand there and the fools will come to us. Well, they have managed to kill 3000 US soldiers, so I'd say they are not totally incompetent fools. But I guess it's worth it as long as we keep creating more terrorists. That way the war can go on forever, and the people of the US can continue to live in fear (which is a great way to keep them, if you're a politician.) >and the answer as to why the U.S. gets involved..because we can . . . An excellent rationale that covers everything from torture to terrorism and genocide. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,182 #82 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote lets all remember just who started this mess. 15 Saudis,2 UAE citizens,1 Lebanese and 1 Egyptian I think. ......................................... ok let me explain it for you when you go fishing you go to the creek deer hunting..go to the forest terrorist hunting..hummmm go to ?? o I know you go to where the terrorist are.. Ireland? Sri Lanka? Peru?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #83 December 12, 2006 Well, they have managed to kill 3000 US soldiers, so I'd say they are not totally incompetent fools.Quote People are always citing the umber of Americans killed like it is showing a terrorist victory or something. Yes 3000 of our own dead is a horrible thing, in fact I just found out yesterday that one of the guys that I worked with for the better part of this last year was just killed in Ramadi, the kid didn't even have to go, he was on orders to go to NC but he volunteered to go to stay with his teammates, he leaves behind a fiancee whom he proposed to over the phone a month ago. My point being though is has anyone on here considered the number of enemy dead that have resulted from this action. I know Kallend is going to jump in there and point fingers about how we are killing innocents intentonally along with those enemy, but a man sitting safely behind a computer in the US bitching about who we are targeting has little room to speak IMO, we in no way intentionally target innocents, as opposed to the insurgents. But as for numbers, obviously there are no concrete numbers but let me throw a few tidbits out there about the ratio of how many we lose as oppose to how many we kill. 2004, my team was in a little known Iraqi town called An Muqdidiyah, while on patrol the team was caught in an ambush the likes of which had never before been seen in this town. After 4+ hours of fighting and chasing the insurgents from building to building as they took pop shots and ran away like cowards the team reconsolidated and got a count of friendly casualties, there was one, and Iraqi soldier working along side the team who was shot in the ass, enemy, as stated beore there was no exact count but drawing numbers from the count people were keeping in their heads as they watched guys drop. The best guess was somewhere between 100 and 120. Mind you the kind of team I am on works in small numbers, 12 max, usually closer to 8 because we are never at full strength. Look a little more recently at the big battle in Sadr City(North-Central Baghdad for those of you unfamiliar), a unit of Iraqi soldiers I trained a few years back lost a few of their own to kidnappings, the SF soldiers working with them found out who was responsible and rolled in Sadr City, they fought their way all the way to the objective, fighting street to street, hit the target and fought their way all the way out. Not a single US casualty, no civilians either as the insurgents had pushed them all out of this part of the city so that they could fortify it(although the Sadr militia claimed that the US rolled through slaughtering civilians, this being the same militia who after I was on a hit in this area where not a single shot was fired called the news stations to say we had slaughtered everyone in a mosque). There was never an exact body count for the opposing team but it was well up there in the triple digits. How about we look at a completely different conflict, seeing as how I grew up in 3rd Ranger Battalion I hold the October 3rd raid in Mogadishu close to my heart. After the most intense firefight that any US forces had been engaged in since Viet Nam they emerged with 18 KIA, 1 MIA(who was soon recovered), and I can't recall the exact number of WIA, the Somali's, I have heard all kinds of different numbers but on the low end, 1200, on the high end 3000, that's around a 70:1 ratio on the bottom end. My point is that in every aspect of combat we are the far superior warrior's(Bill, I know your post was in no way intended to say we couldn't fight, I'm just trying to make a point about the lack of skill of the opposing force), but even the most inept fighters get a lucky shot here and there, when it's your time it's your time no matter how well trained you are. Trust me I've seen the way the other side fights, and they truly are totally inompetent, there's a halfway decent gunslinger or two mixed in there, I'll give them that but pretty much all of the kills they rack up are from either lucky rounds as they sprayed and didn't even look through the sights or idiot proof methods such as convincing someone to drive a car up to a check point while someone a block away with a remote detonator blows it up. There's a reason we say that the safest place when fighting an insurgent is directly in front of themHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites namgrunt 0 #84 December 12, 2006 Ireland? Sri Lanka? Peru? THERE WERE IRISH PERUVIANS,SRI LAN KANS OF the plains on 9/11?????????????? as for me I am not afraid in north Georgia cause brave US troops are at work OVER THERE so lets bring the troops home ..wait 6 months and they can fight the Muslim extremists here ..even in north Georgia Do you really want that?? o yea we can just sit down and talk with them and make it all go away hum mm seams like that did no good with a young man named Mark BIRD..he sat down with them and they cut his head off.. come on folks these people are EVIL and THEY want to KILL all of us non Muslims OK OK OK lets fold up our tents and bring the troops home and wait till IRAN has nukes...now that scares me in north Georgia cant we all just get along??? we equals 2 sides and they do not want to get along anyway SHILLARY will make it all better anyway the young troops have no choice ..they do what they are told good bad or otherwise so regardless of your stance on BUSH or the war on terror lets respect the folks in uniform ALL GAVE SOME SOME GAVE ALL ..59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI) www.dzmemories.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #85 December 12, 2006 QuoteI know Kallend is going to jump in there and point fingers about how we are killing innocents intentonally along with those enemy, but a man sitting safely behind a computer in the US bitching about who we are targeting has little room to speak IMO You sure are down on free speech in the US. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,182 #86 December 12, 2006 Quote Ireland? Sri Lanka? Peru? THERE WERE IRISH PERUVIANS,SRI LAN KANS OF the plains on 9/11?????????????? . You asked where you could go to hunt terrorists. Terrorism didn't start on 9/11, or only affect the USA. What a USA-Centric viewpoint you have.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #77 December 11, 2006 Quotethey came over here on 9/11 weather you agree with the war or not do NOT diss those that stepped up to the plate to defend us. The Iraqis came over here on 9/11? That's news. We are "dissing" those incompetent leaders whose false propaganda would have us believe that the Iraq war is defending us from anything.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #78 December 11, 2006 QuoteSure, then How come I get your lovely messages from you, now that I'm far from the US Personally I would like to check that IP you are coming in on.. OH..... And when the MAN says take it to PM's.... that is what they are there for... BUT YOU are the one who copies the PM's back into the public forum....otherwise I would REALLY tell you how I feel about your personal attacks. Dont worry I would NEVER post some of the PM's YOU have sent. Its called INTEGRITY. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
namgrunt 0 #79 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuote lets all remember just who started this mess. 15 Saudis,2 UAE citizens,1 Lebanese and 1 Egyptian I think. ......................................... ok let me explain it for you when you go fishing you go to the creek deer hunting..go to the forest terrorist hunting..hummmm go to ?? o I know you go to where the terrorist are..Iraq.Afgan,Sumalia,etc etc. all we really have to do is stand there and the fools will come to us.makes it easier to arrange for them to be martyrs dead that is and the answer as to why the U.S. gets involved..because we can and no one else will ..59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI) www.dzmemories.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #80 December 12, 2006 QuoteI know you go to where the terrorist are..Iraq.Afgan,Sumalia,etc etc. Don't forget Montana, North Carolina and Oklahoma.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #81 December 12, 2006 >terrorist hunting..hummmm go to ?? Well, certainly not Iraq, at least in 2003. But we solved that problem by invading and creating more! >all we really have to do is stand there and the fools will come to us. Well, they have managed to kill 3000 US soldiers, so I'd say they are not totally incompetent fools. But I guess it's worth it as long as we keep creating more terrorists. That way the war can go on forever, and the people of the US can continue to live in fear (which is a great way to keep them, if you're a politician.) >and the answer as to why the U.S. gets involved..because we can . . . An excellent rationale that covers everything from torture to terrorism and genocide. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #82 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote lets all remember just who started this mess. 15 Saudis,2 UAE citizens,1 Lebanese and 1 Egyptian I think. ......................................... ok let me explain it for you when you go fishing you go to the creek deer hunting..go to the forest terrorist hunting..hummmm go to ?? o I know you go to where the terrorist are.. Ireland? Sri Lanka? Peru?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #83 December 12, 2006 Well, they have managed to kill 3000 US soldiers, so I'd say they are not totally incompetent fools.Quote People are always citing the umber of Americans killed like it is showing a terrorist victory or something. Yes 3000 of our own dead is a horrible thing, in fact I just found out yesterday that one of the guys that I worked with for the better part of this last year was just killed in Ramadi, the kid didn't even have to go, he was on orders to go to NC but he volunteered to go to stay with his teammates, he leaves behind a fiancee whom he proposed to over the phone a month ago. My point being though is has anyone on here considered the number of enemy dead that have resulted from this action. I know Kallend is going to jump in there and point fingers about how we are killing innocents intentonally along with those enemy, but a man sitting safely behind a computer in the US bitching about who we are targeting has little room to speak IMO, we in no way intentionally target innocents, as opposed to the insurgents. But as for numbers, obviously there are no concrete numbers but let me throw a few tidbits out there about the ratio of how many we lose as oppose to how many we kill. 2004, my team was in a little known Iraqi town called An Muqdidiyah, while on patrol the team was caught in an ambush the likes of which had never before been seen in this town. After 4+ hours of fighting and chasing the insurgents from building to building as they took pop shots and ran away like cowards the team reconsolidated and got a count of friendly casualties, there was one, and Iraqi soldier working along side the team who was shot in the ass, enemy, as stated beore there was no exact count but drawing numbers from the count people were keeping in their heads as they watched guys drop. The best guess was somewhere between 100 and 120. Mind you the kind of team I am on works in small numbers, 12 max, usually closer to 8 because we are never at full strength. Look a little more recently at the big battle in Sadr City(North-Central Baghdad for those of you unfamiliar), a unit of Iraqi soldiers I trained a few years back lost a few of their own to kidnappings, the SF soldiers working with them found out who was responsible and rolled in Sadr City, they fought their way all the way to the objective, fighting street to street, hit the target and fought their way all the way out. Not a single US casualty, no civilians either as the insurgents had pushed them all out of this part of the city so that they could fortify it(although the Sadr militia claimed that the US rolled through slaughtering civilians, this being the same militia who after I was on a hit in this area where not a single shot was fired called the news stations to say we had slaughtered everyone in a mosque). There was never an exact body count for the opposing team but it was well up there in the triple digits. How about we look at a completely different conflict, seeing as how I grew up in 3rd Ranger Battalion I hold the October 3rd raid in Mogadishu close to my heart. After the most intense firefight that any US forces had been engaged in since Viet Nam they emerged with 18 KIA, 1 MIA(who was soon recovered), and I can't recall the exact number of WIA, the Somali's, I have heard all kinds of different numbers but on the low end, 1200, on the high end 3000, that's around a 70:1 ratio on the bottom end. My point is that in every aspect of combat we are the far superior warrior's(Bill, I know your post was in no way intended to say we couldn't fight, I'm just trying to make a point about the lack of skill of the opposing force), but even the most inept fighters get a lucky shot here and there, when it's your time it's your time no matter how well trained you are. Trust me I've seen the way the other side fights, and they truly are totally inompetent, there's a halfway decent gunslinger or two mixed in there, I'll give them that but pretty much all of the kills they rack up are from either lucky rounds as they sprayed and didn't even look through the sights or idiot proof methods such as convincing someone to drive a car up to a check point while someone a block away with a remote detonator blows it up. There's a reason we say that the safest place when fighting an insurgent is directly in front of themHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites namgrunt 0 #84 December 12, 2006 Ireland? Sri Lanka? Peru? THERE WERE IRISH PERUVIANS,SRI LAN KANS OF the plains on 9/11?????????????? as for me I am not afraid in north Georgia cause brave US troops are at work OVER THERE so lets bring the troops home ..wait 6 months and they can fight the Muslim extremists here ..even in north Georgia Do you really want that?? o yea we can just sit down and talk with them and make it all go away hum mm seams like that did no good with a young man named Mark BIRD..he sat down with them and they cut his head off.. come on folks these people are EVIL and THEY want to KILL all of us non Muslims OK OK OK lets fold up our tents and bring the troops home and wait till IRAN has nukes...now that scares me in north Georgia cant we all just get along??? we equals 2 sides and they do not want to get along anyway SHILLARY will make it all better anyway the young troops have no choice ..they do what they are told good bad or otherwise so regardless of your stance on BUSH or the war on terror lets respect the folks in uniform ALL GAVE SOME SOME GAVE ALL ..59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT LAST MIL. 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namgrunt 0 #84 December 12, 2006 Ireland? Sri Lanka? Peru? THERE WERE IRISH PERUVIANS,SRI LAN KANS OF the plains on 9/11?????????????? as for me I am not afraid in north Georgia cause brave US troops are at work OVER THERE so lets bring the troops home ..wait 6 months and they can fight the Muslim extremists here ..even in north Georgia Do you really want that?? o yea we can just sit down and talk with them and make it all go away hum mm seams like that did no good with a young man named Mark BIRD..he sat down with them and they cut his head off.. come on folks these people are EVIL and THEY want to KILL all of us non Muslims OK OK OK lets fold up our tents and bring the troops home and wait till IRAN has nukes...now that scares me in north Georgia cant we all just get along??? we equals 2 sides and they do not want to get along anyway SHILLARY will make it all better anyway the young troops have no choice ..they do what they are told good bad or otherwise so regardless of your stance on BUSH or the war on terror lets respect the folks in uniform ALL GAVE SOME SOME GAVE ALL ..59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI) www.dzmemories.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #85 December 12, 2006 QuoteI know Kallend is going to jump in there and point fingers about how we are killing innocents intentonally along with those enemy, but a man sitting safely behind a computer in the US bitching about who we are targeting has little room to speak IMO You sure are down on free speech in the US. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #86 December 12, 2006 Quote Ireland? Sri Lanka? Peru? THERE WERE IRISH PERUVIANS,SRI LAN KANS OF the plains on 9/11?????????????? . You asked where you could go to hunt terrorists. Terrorism didn't start on 9/11, or only affect the USA. What a USA-Centric viewpoint you have.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #87 December 12, 2006 You sure are down on free speech in the USQuote It was a figure of speech, in no way did I ever imply he has no right to say that, I just said that the comments of people playing armchair quaterback for an armed conflict hold little weight in my mind. I was just trying to explain that I would rather listen to the opinion of someone who has been there. You should take a step out of your little X-files conspiracy theory world where the government is always trying to keep you down and stop tyring to put words in my mouth, I have never tried to stop someone from saying what they please, you just twist what I say to fit your viewpoint of me. Are you sure you aren't at a computer directly across from him taking advice on what to type?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #88 December 12, 2006 QuoteIt was a figure of speech, in no way did I ever imply he has no right to say that, I just said that the comments of people playing armchair quaterback for an armed conflict hold little weight in my mind. I was just trying to explain that I would rather listen to the opinion of someone who has been there. You should take a step out of your little X-files conspiracy theory world where the government is always trying to keep you down and stop tyring to put words in my mouth, I have never tried to stop someone from saying what they please, you just twist what I say to fit your viewpoint of me. Are you sure you aren't at a computer directly across from him taking advice on what to type? So now objective posts are the same as "x-file conspiracy theories?" If you disagree with my posts, you should attack the post. What "conspiracy theories" have I presented, specifically? If you don't like how your words are interpreted, perhaps you should choose them more carefully. I do not intentionally twist them, I can assure you. If you post something I disagree with, I'm likely to call you on it, but I've no need or intention of twisting your words.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #89 December 12, 2006 I think ur forgetting one huge point. We have no reason to be in iraq. I don't get how killing 100s of fuck 1000s of people who are not good at fighting back make an unjust war seem ok. Fact there was no perblem in iraq untill we invaded. What are we fighting for? 9-11 had nothing to do with iraq so what the hell are we doing there? I respect ur since of duty, however the facts say wrong war.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites akarunway 1 #90 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote lets all remember just who started this mess. 15 Saudis,2 UAE citizens,1 Lebanese and 1 Egyptian I think. ......................................... ok let me explain it for you when you go fishing you go to the creek deer hunting..go to the forest terrorist hunting..hummmm go to ?? o I know you go to where the terrorist are..Iraq.Afgan,Sumalia,etc etc. all we really have to do is stand there and the fools will come to us.makes it easier to arrange for them to be martyrs dead that is and the answer as to why the U.S. gets involved..because we can and no one else will ..What happened to Afganistan and the hunt for Mr Ladin?I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #91 December 12, 2006 So now objective posts are the same as "x-file conspiracy theories?" If you disagree with my posts, you should attack the post. What "conspiracy theories" have I presented, specifically? Quote Hmm, it gets a bit annoying to have someone constantly interpret what you say the wrong way and draw false conclusions about the type of person you are doesn't it? I was merely making a point with that comment, in the last few days you have countless times pointed your finger at me for trying to crush peoples constitutional rights. Yet where have I ever said they had no right to make a comment, or that I would personally act in a violent manner towards them for having a certain opinion. I haven't, I have said that I don't personally put much weight in the comments of certain people(just because I personally don't does not mean that their statement has no validity), and I have countless times asked people who are incredibly outspoken about certain things when behind a keyboard to take their argument up directly with the person they are taking shots at. It's called being a man, and being fully ready to accept the consequences of your actions, is it right if someone beats you to a pulp for saying something they disagree with, no, is it possible that this could happen, yes, so why say something that would instigate this sort of action if you aren't ready to defend it whether it be with words or actions? And as for how my words are interpreted, I make a solid effort to ensure my posts are straightforward, I don't hide my opinion, I lay it out there on the line, and before I post something I read it a few times to ensure my point came out clearly, and also to ensure that I have calmed down a bit if I am responding to something that got me a little worked up(I know I am quite sensitive on certain subjects, and understand my temper, but I also know how to work around it). So if you read my posts wrong there could be a few reasons, maybe you have an opinion of me in your head and you read everything in a manner that fits your opinion of me, or possibly your reading comprehension needs a bit of improvement. From what I can see you are well educated so I am going to assume it is the first option.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #92 December 12, 2006 QuoteSo now objective posts are the same as "x-file conspiracy theories?" If you disagree with my posts, you should attack the post. What "conspiracy theories" have I presented, specifically? Quote Hmm, it gets a bit annoying to have someone constantly interpret what you say the wrong way and draw false conclusions about the type of person you are doesn't it? I was merely making a point with that comment, in the last few days you have countless times pointed your finger at me for trying to crush peoples constitutional rights. Yet where have I ever said they had no right to make a comment, or that I would personally act in a violent manner towards them for having a certain opinion. I haven't, I have said that I don't personally put much weight in the comments of certain people(just because I personally don't does not mean that their statement has no validity), and I have countless times asked people who are incredibly outspoken about certain things when behind a keyboard to take their argument up directly with the person they are taking shots at. It's called being a man, and being fully ready to accept the consequences of your actions, is it right if someone beats you to a pulp for saying something they disagree with, no, is it possible that this could happen, yes, so why say something that would instigate this sort of action if you aren't ready to defend it whether it be with words or actions? The reason we have not had this conversation in person has much more to do with the fact we have never met in person than me not having the courage to express my opinion up close and personal. However, when communicating with people from all over the world, it is much easier to use the internet than to meet up at a pub. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #93 December 12, 2006 Not to mention that you would also have started WWIII.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #94 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteSure, then How come I get your lovely messages from you, now that I'm far from the US Personally I would like to check that IP you are coming in on.. OH..... And when the MAN says take it to PM's.... that is what they are there for... BUT YOU are the one who copies the PM's back into the public forum....otherwise I would REALLY tell you how I feel about your personal attacks. Dont worry I would NEVER post some of the PM's YOU have sent. Its called INTEGRITY. Integrity would be being respectful to any servicemember but it seems that it is conditional to their respective political views. Most likely you don't post my PM's because they do not show anything vicious, and out of context, and have always included comments such as what I think your service has been honorable. See you in Anaconda if you are ever there."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,182 #95 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteSure, then How come I get your lovely messages from you, now that I'm far from the US Personally I would like to check that IP you are coming in on.. OH..... And when the MAN says take it to PM's.... that is what they are there for... BUT YOU are the one who copies the PM's back into the public forum....otherwise I would REALLY tell you how I feel about your personal attacks. Dont worry I would NEVER post some of the PM's YOU have sent. Its called INTEGRITY. Integrity would be being respectful to any servicemember but it seems that it is conditional to their respective political views. . Would that apply to Hitler's SS too?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Botellines 0 #96 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSure, then How come I get your lovely messages from you, now that I'm far from the US Personally I would like to check that IP you are coming in on.. OH..... And when the MAN says take it to PM's.... that is what they are there for... BUT YOU are the one who copies the PM's back into the public forum....otherwise I would REALLY tell you how I feel about your personal attacks. Dont worry I would NEVER post some of the PM's YOU have sent. Its called INTEGRITY. Integrity would be being respectful to any servicemember but it seems that it is conditional to their respective political views. . Would that apply to Hitler's SS too? Of course, he was in the military, you can add Franco and Pinochet to the list of those who we are to be respectful to. As a matter of fact, Isn´t Chavez a member of the military in his country? Does the Queen of England hold any honorary military title for being head of state? Hey Juanesky, pay respect to Hugo Chavez and queen of england, will you? Respect is something you earn, no something you get for free when you sign with the military. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ragnarok 0 #97 December 12, 2006 I am a Soldier. I am going on my second deployment in March. I am not political. I could care less, really. I care more about serving and doing my job - saving lives. I don't have to agree or disagree with policy, I just follow orders. I think for myself, but find discussing skydiving much more stimulating than current politics. "I will at all times conduct myself so as to reflect credit upon myself, the Corps, and Military Service - regardless of the situation in which I find myself." NCO Creed_________________________________________ Twin Otter N203-Echo,29 July 2006 Cessna P206 N2537X, 19 April 2008 Blue Skies Forever Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #98 December 12, 2006 You forgot Sadam Hussien.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #99 December 12, 2006 QuoteTHERE WERE IRISH PERUVIANS,SRI LAN KANS OF the plains on 9/11?????????????? There were also no Iraqis on those planes...at least not as hijackers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #100 December 12, 2006 QuoteNot to mention that you would also have started WWIII. Well, there IS a parallel. Pearl Harbor was what we now call a "pre-emptive strike." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 4 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
jcd11235 0 #88 December 12, 2006 QuoteIt was a figure of speech, in no way did I ever imply he has no right to say that, I just said that the comments of people playing armchair quaterback for an armed conflict hold little weight in my mind. I was just trying to explain that I would rather listen to the opinion of someone who has been there. You should take a step out of your little X-files conspiracy theory world where the government is always trying to keep you down and stop tyring to put words in my mouth, I have never tried to stop someone from saying what they please, you just twist what I say to fit your viewpoint of me. Are you sure you aren't at a computer directly across from him taking advice on what to type? So now objective posts are the same as "x-file conspiracy theories?" If you disagree with my posts, you should attack the post. What "conspiracy theories" have I presented, specifically? If you don't like how your words are interpreted, perhaps you should choose them more carefully. I do not intentionally twist them, I can assure you. If you post something I disagree with, I'm likely to call you on it, but I've no need or intention of twisting your words.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #89 December 12, 2006 I think ur forgetting one huge point. We have no reason to be in iraq. I don't get how killing 100s of fuck 1000s of people who are not good at fighting back make an unjust war seem ok. Fact there was no perblem in iraq untill we invaded. What are we fighting for? 9-11 had nothing to do with iraq so what the hell are we doing there? I respect ur since of duty, however the facts say wrong war.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #90 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote lets all remember just who started this mess. 15 Saudis,2 UAE citizens,1 Lebanese and 1 Egyptian I think. ......................................... ok let me explain it for you when you go fishing you go to the creek deer hunting..go to the forest terrorist hunting..hummmm go to ?? o I know you go to where the terrorist are..Iraq.Afgan,Sumalia,etc etc. all we really have to do is stand there and the fools will come to us.makes it easier to arrange for them to be martyrs dead that is and the answer as to why the U.S. gets involved..because we can and no one else will ..What happened to Afganistan and the hunt for Mr Ladin?I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #91 December 12, 2006 So now objective posts are the same as "x-file conspiracy theories?" If you disagree with my posts, you should attack the post. What "conspiracy theories" have I presented, specifically? Quote Hmm, it gets a bit annoying to have someone constantly interpret what you say the wrong way and draw false conclusions about the type of person you are doesn't it? I was merely making a point with that comment, in the last few days you have countless times pointed your finger at me for trying to crush peoples constitutional rights. Yet where have I ever said they had no right to make a comment, or that I would personally act in a violent manner towards them for having a certain opinion. I haven't, I have said that I don't personally put much weight in the comments of certain people(just because I personally don't does not mean that their statement has no validity), and I have countless times asked people who are incredibly outspoken about certain things when behind a keyboard to take their argument up directly with the person they are taking shots at. It's called being a man, and being fully ready to accept the consequences of your actions, is it right if someone beats you to a pulp for saying something they disagree with, no, is it possible that this could happen, yes, so why say something that would instigate this sort of action if you aren't ready to defend it whether it be with words or actions? And as for how my words are interpreted, I make a solid effort to ensure my posts are straightforward, I don't hide my opinion, I lay it out there on the line, and before I post something I read it a few times to ensure my point came out clearly, and also to ensure that I have calmed down a bit if I am responding to something that got me a little worked up(I know I am quite sensitive on certain subjects, and understand my temper, but I also know how to work around it). So if you read my posts wrong there could be a few reasons, maybe you have an opinion of me in your head and you read everything in a manner that fits your opinion of me, or possibly your reading comprehension needs a bit of improvement. From what I can see you are well educated so I am going to assume it is the first option.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #92 December 12, 2006 QuoteSo now objective posts are the same as "x-file conspiracy theories?" If you disagree with my posts, you should attack the post. What "conspiracy theories" have I presented, specifically? Quote Hmm, it gets a bit annoying to have someone constantly interpret what you say the wrong way and draw false conclusions about the type of person you are doesn't it? I was merely making a point with that comment, in the last few days you have countless times pointed your finger at me for trying to crush peoples constitutional rights. Yet where have I ever said they had no right to make a comment, or that I would personally act in a violent manner towards them for having a certain opinion. I haven't, I have said that I don't personally put much weight in the comments of certain people(just because I personally don't does not mean that their statement has no validity), and I have countless times asked people who are incredibly outspoken about certain things when behind a keyboard to take their argument up directly with the person they are taking shots at. It's called being a man, and being fully ready to accept the consequences of your actions, is it right if someone beats you to a pulp for saying something they disagree with, no, is it possible that this could happen, yes, so why say something that would instigate this sort of action if you aren't ready to defend it whether it be with words or actions? The reason we have not had this conversation in person has much more to do with the fact we have never met in person than me not having the courage to express my opinion up close and personal. However, when communicating with people from all over the world, it is much easier to use the internet than to meet up at a pub. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #93 December 12, 2006 Not to mention that you would also have started WWIII.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #94 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteSure, then How come I get your lovely messages from you, now that I'm far from the US Personally I would like to check that IP you are coming in on.. OH..... And when the MAN says take it to PM's.... that is what they are there for... BUT YOU are the one who copies the PM's back into the public forum....otherwise I would REALLY tell you how I feel about your personal attacks. Dont worry I would NEVER post some of the PM's YOU have sent. Its called INTEGRITY. Integrity would be being respectful to any servicemember but it seems that it is conditional to their respective political views. Most likely you don't post my PM's because they do not show anything vicious, and out of context, and have always included comments such as what I think your service has been honorable. See you in Anaconda if you are ever there."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,182 #95 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteSure, then How come I get your lovely messages from you, now that I'm far from the US Personally I would like to check that IP you are coming in on.. OH..... And when the MAN says take it to PM's.... that is what they are there for... BUT YOU are the one who copies the PM's back into the public forum....otherwise I would REALLY tell you how I feel about your personal attacks. Dont worry I would NEVER post some of the PM's YOU have sent. Its called INTEGRITY. Integrity would be being respectful to any servicemember but it seems that it is conditional to their respective political views. . Would that apply to Hitler's SS too?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Botellines 0 #96 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSure, then How come I get your lovely messages from you, now that I'm far from the US Personally I would like to check that IP you are coming in on.. OH..... And when the MAN says take it to PM's.... that is what they are there for... BUT YOU are the one who copies the PM's back into the public forum....otherwise I would REALLY tell you how I feel about your personal attacks. Dont worry I would NEVER post some of the PM's YOU have sent. Its called INTEGRITY. Integrity would be being respectful to any servicemember but it seems that it is conditional to their respective political views. . Would that apply to Hitler's SS too? Of course, he was in the military, you can add Franco and Pinochet to the list of those who we are to be respectful to. As a matter of fact, Isn´t Chavez a member of the military in his country? Does the Queen of England hold any honorary military title for being head of state? Hey Juanesky, pay respect to Hugo Chavez and queen of england, will you? Respect is something you earn, no something you get for free when you sign with the military. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ragnarok 0 #97 December 12, 2006 I am a Soldier. I am going on my second deployment in March. I am not political. I could care less, really. I care more about serving and doing my job - saving lives. I don't have to agree or disagree with policy, I just follow orders. I think for myself, but find discussing skydiving much more stimulating than current politics. "I will at all times conduct myself so as to reflect credit upon myself, the Corps, and Military Service - regardless of the situation in which I find myself." NCO Creed_________________________________________ Twin Otter N203-Echo,29 July 2006 Cessna P206 N2537X, 19 April 2008 Blue Skies Forever Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #98 December 12, 2006 You forgot Sadam Hussien.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #99 December 12, 2006 QuoteTHERE WERE IRISH PERUVIANS,SRI LAN KANS OF the plains on 9/11?????????????? There were also no Iraqis on those planes...at least not as hijackers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #100 December 12, 2006 QuoteNot to mention that you would also have started WWIII. Well, there IS a parallel. Pearl Harbor was what we now call a "pre-emptive strike." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 4 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
jcd11235 0 #92 December 12, 2006 QuoteSo now objective posts are the same as "x-file conspiracy theories?" If you disagree with my posts, you should attack the post. What "conspiracy theories" have I presented, specifically? Quote Hmm, it gets a bit annoying to have someone constantly interpret what you say the wrong way and draw false conclusions about the type of person you are doesn't it? I was merely making a point with that comment, in the last few days you have countless times pointed your finger at me for trying to crush peoples constitutional rights. Yet where have I ever said they had no right to make a comment, or that I would personally act in a violent manner towards them for having a certain opinion. I haven't, I have said that I don't personally put much weight in the comments of certain people(just because I personally don't does not mean that their statement has no validity), and I have countless times asked people who are incredibly outspoken about certain things when behind a keyboard to take their argument up directly with the person they are taking shots at. It's called being a man, and being fully ready to accept the consequences of your actions, is it right if someone beats you to a pulp for saying something they disagree with, no, is it possible that this could happen, yes, so why say something that would instigate this sort of action if you aren't ready to defend it whether it be with words or actions? The reason we have not had this conversation in person has much more to do with the fact we have never met in person than me not having the courage to express my opinion up close and personal. However, when communicating with people from all over the world, it is much easier to use the internet than to meet up at a pub. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #93 December 12, 2006 Not to mention that you would also have started WWIII.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #94 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteSure, then How come I get your lovely messages from you, now that I'm far from the US Personally I would like to check that IP you are coming in on.. OH..... And when the MAN says take it to PM's.... that is what they are there for... BUT YOU are the one who copies the PM's back into the public forum....otherwise I would REALLY tell you how I feel about your personal attacks. Dont worry I would NEVER post some of the PM's YOU have sent. Its called INTEGRITY. Integrity would be being respectful to any servicemember but it seems that it is conditional to their respective political views. Most likely you don't post my PM's because they do not show anything vicious, and out of context, and have always included comments such as what I think your service has been honorable. See you in Anaconda if you are ever there."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,182 #95 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteSure, then How come I get your lovely messages from you, now that I'm far from the US Personally I would like to check that IP you are coming in on.. OH..... And when the MAN says take it to PM's.... that is what they are there for... BUT YOU are the one who copies the PM's back into the public forum....otherwise I would REALLY tell you how I feel about your personal attacks. Dont worry I would NEVER post some of the PM's YOU have sent. Its called INTEGRITY. Integrity would be being respectful to any servicemember but it seems that it is conditional to their respective political views. . Would that apply to Hitler's SS too?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Botellines 0 #96 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSure, then How come I get your lovely messages from you, now that I'm far from the US Personally I would like to check that IP you are coming in on.. OH..... And when the MAN says take it to PM's.... that is what they are there for... BUT YOU are the one who copies the PM's back into the public forum....otherwise I would REALLY tell you how I feel about your personal attacks. Dont worry I would NEVER post some of the PM's YOU have sent. Its called INTEGRITY. Integrity would be being respectful to any servicemember but it seems that it is conditional to their respective political views. . Would that apply to Hitler's SS too? Of course, he was in the military, you can add Franco and Pinochet to the list of those who we are to be respectful to. As a matter of fact, Isn´t Chavez a member of the military in his country? Does the Queen of England hold any honorary military title for being head of state? Hey Juanesky, pay respect to Hugo Chavez and queen of england, will you? Respect is something you earn, no something you get for free when you sign with the military. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ragnarok 0 #97 December 12, 2006 I am a Soldier. I am going on my second deployment in March. I am not political. I could care less, really. I care more about serving and doing my job - saving lives. I don't have to agree or disagree with policy, I just follow orders. I think for myself, but find discussing skydiving much more stimulating than current politics. "I will at all times conduct myself so as to reflect credit upon myself, the Corps, and Military Service - regardless of the situation in which I find myself." NCO Creed_________________________________________ Twin Otter N203-Echo,29 July 2006 Cessna P206 N2537X, 19 April 2008 Blue Skies Forever Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #98 December 12, 2006 You forgot Sadam Hussien.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #99 December 12, 2006 QuoteTHERE WERE IRISH PERUVIANS,SRI LAN KANS OF the plains on 9/11?????????????? There were also no Iraqis on those planes...at least not as hijackers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #100 December 12, 2006 QuoteNot to mention that you would also have started WWIII. Well, there IS a parallel. Pearl Harbor was what we now call a "pre-emptive strike." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 4 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Skyrad 0 #93 December 12, 2006 Not to mention that you would also have started WWIII.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #94 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteSure, then How come I get your lovely messages from you, now that I'm far from the US Personally I would like to check that IP you are coming in on.. OH..... And when the MAN says take it to PM's.... that is what they are there for... BUT YOU are the one who copies the PM's back into the public forum....otherwise I would REALLY tell you how I feel about your personal attacks. Dont worry I would NEVER post some of the PM's YOU have sent. Its called INTEGRITY. Integrity would be being respectful to any servicemember but it seems that it is conditional to their respective political views. Most likely you don't post my PM's because they do not show anything vicious, and out of context, and have always included comments such as what I think your service has been honorable. See you in Anaconda if you are ever there."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #95 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteSure, then How come I get your lovely messages from you, now that I'm far from the US Personally I would like to check that IP you are coming in on.. OH..... And when the MAN says take it to PM's.... that is what they are there for... BUT YOU are the one who copies the PM's back into the public forum....otherwise I would REALLY tell you how I feel about your personal attacks. Dont worry I would NEVER post some of the PM's YOU have sent. Its called INTEGRITY. Integrity would be being respectful to any servicemember but it seems that it is conditional to their respective political views. . Would that apply to Hitler's SS too?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #96 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSure, then How come I get your lovely messages from you, now that I'm far from the US Personally I would like to check that IP you are coming in on.. OH..... And when the MAN says take it to PM's.... that is what they are there for... BUT YOU are the one who copies the PM's back into the public forum....otherwise I would REALLY tell you how I feel about your personal attacks. Dont worry I would NEVER post some of the PM's YOU have sent. Its called INTEGRITY. Integrity would be being respectful to any servicemember but it seems that it is conditional to their respective political views. . Would that apply to Hitler's SS too? Of course, he was in the military, you can add Franco and Pinochet to the list of those who we are to be respectful to. As a matter of fact, Isn´t Chavez a member of the military in his country? Does the Queen of England hold any honorary military title for being head of state? Hey Juanesky, pay respect to Hugo Chavez and queen of england, will you? Respect is something you earn, no something you get for free when you sign with the military. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ragnarok 0 #97 December 12, 2006 I am a Soldier. I am going on my second deployment in March. I am not political. I could care less, really. I care more about serving and doing my job - saving lives. I don't have to agree or disagree with policy, I just follow orders. I think for myself, but find discussing skydiving much more stimulating than current politics. "I will at all times conduct myself so as to reflect credit upon myself, the Corps, and Military Service - regardless of the situation in which I find myself." NCO Creed_________________________________________ Twin Otter N203-Echo,29 July 2006 Cessna P206 N2537X, 19 April 2008 Blue Skies Forever Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #98 December 12, 2006 You forgot Sadam Hussien.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #99 December 12, 2006 QuoteTHERE WERE IRISH PERUVIANS,SRI LAN KANS OF the plains on 9/11?????????????? There were also no Iraqis on those planes...at least not as hijackers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #100 December 12, 2006 QuoteNot to mention that you would also have started WWIII. Well, there IS a parallel. Pearl Harbor was what we now call a "pre-emptive strike." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
