GQ_jumper 4 #26 December 11, 2006 I wrong for saying it and talking to someone that agrees with Tontos thoughts even though he is in the armed services? Quote You are not wrong in the slightest, you had every right to say that and further I respect the fact that you said it to his face. Quick question though, did you say that the war as a whole was being fought poorly or that the individual soldier was fighting like shit.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livetofall 0 #27 December 11, 2006 QuoteAs for those still fighting to make your country great, they're not fighting very well. The US had managed to finish WW2 within 3 years, but has not even managed to contain the war in Iraq in more than the same timeframe. What's up with that? I allways love this statement fucking morons make. It they even digged into history a little or spoke to someone 80 yrs old they might figure out the situation was different. In todays world the President of USA has TWO battlefronts. One over there, one here. If we could done the Patton strategy, it would have been over..but crying liberals over here would never allow that...you think they call the pres Hitler now?? If we had dropped flyers over Fallujah telling civilians they had 3 days to evacuate, then bomb the living shit out of it, soldiers could go through the rubble and take out any remaining insurgents. They would see that we could continue that on every other city and given up, but thats not acceptable by the far left. Instead we try a "PC" aproach by going house by house, leaving our soldiers to easily be picked off. heavy airstrike first is why we got the europe back. Chances are if we used the same "PC' methods then, it would have been the same situation. Also the Hitler Youth pulled the same tactics these suicide bombers did...but then firing squad without the media calling the soldiers a lot of murderers. Different times, differerent mindsets, different battle. People in our own country are our soldiers worst enemy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #28 December 11, 2006 Beer!I've been called a lot of things in my life, but being a coward has not one of them, until now.. In retrospect, some prudence on my part would not have gone amiss, but I said it, so I'll stand by it, and look out for the givers of the fat lip when next I visit your country. I know many South Africans who recall being in Angola in 1976 and having the US withdraw their support for that operation and being compromised as a result. They were the people who trained me. I'm familiar with being a soldier at the beck and call of a bellicose government, but I was drafted. I never volunteered. I'm sorry my post upset you as much as it did. I am tired of the US's seemingly endless involvement in world affairs, and those who know me on this site are well aware of that. I've spent time on DZ's in the US since joining this site. Those soldiers I've met have skydived with me, because I actually go to DZ's to skydive, not to talk politics. You and I are from different countries. We have different views. We have different governments, and we have fought for different armed forces against different enemies. It's only logical that we would have differing opinions. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #29 December 11, 2006 Those soldiers I've met have skydived with me, because I actually go to DZ's to skydive, not to talk politics. Quote I'm with you on the leave SC in SC part. Originally my post was started as a response to what I considered to be disrespectful, and well, you already called out the other part. You've been there and understand what it's like to not get asked how you feel about where you go, and also understand that when a soldier gets involved in something they like to finish what they started, it's not the soldiers who fuck it up it's those up in starfleet command. Quote but I said it, so I'll stand by it, and look out for the givers of the fat lip when next I visit your country. And that right there deserves much respect, you're good in my book brother, like I said I never tried to take away a man's right to speak his mind, but stick to your guns and don't cry when someone let's ya have it, not everyone chooses words over action. How bought we trade in the fat lip for a beer sometime And I'm out for the night, I have to get up in a few hours to go to work.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #30 December 11, 2006 QuoteHow bought we trade in the fat lip for a beer sometime [joke]If I'm forced to choose between a beer and a fat lip, and I choose the beer... does that make me a coward?[/joke] I'll take you up on the beer, thanks.tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #31 December 11, 2006 I'll take you up on the beer, thanks. Quote Are you sure, I've been told I give a good fat lipHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #32 December 11, 2006 OK. I'll take the fat lip, but I want a beer to bleed into. That's my final offer! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #33 December 11, 2006 QuoteThe US had managed to finish WW2 within 3 years Bwahahahahaha, that did make me chuckle. God bless America. No truly, if it wasn't for you we'd all be in such a bad way no wonder you got this superiority complex and think you can push people around. The world owes you, right? Don't forget your little chestnut there was to kill and maim thousands of civilians with a couple of indiscriminate bombs, the like of which the world never wants to see again. GQ: If everytime things got tough people ran away the world would be a sad place. Keep up the good work, but I can imagine its hard when idiots at home make you think why the fuck am I doing this if noone appreciates it. Few issues I should get off my chest now. Ban the media from warzones, they have no place there and are painting a bad picture in their usual media-hype way. When they get shot or injured we never hear the end of it, like its shocking for someone to get hurt on a battlefield. Up the manpower and aggression and really turn that country over. If your going to fight a war you need to do it properly, not play a political game tip toeing through the country. You guys should have the tools, the man power and the support to clean the place up. Not put up with some fat ass politician using you as pawns in his election game. This is where democracy sucks, playing to the peoples needs when you've got unfinished business elsewhere Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #34 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe US had managed to finish WW2 within 3 years Bwahahahahaha, that did make me chuckle. Umm... those were my words, not his, and they were wrong, since I got the dates of Pearl Harbour wrong, so it was actually 4 years. When I wrote them, I meant the US part in the war, primarily against the Japanese in the Pacific Theatre since the origionating thread was about Pearl Harbour. That Pacific theatre was fought while the British forces were locked up after the "fall" (outright surrender) of Shanghai. (See? I'm an equal oportunity disser. You're not top of my list cos your time for world domination has come and gone.) tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #35 December 11, 2006 QuoteBan the media from warzones, they have no place there and are painting a bad picture in their usual media-hype way. When they get shot or injured we never hear the end of it, like its shocking for someone to get hurt on a battlefield. Up the manpower and aggression and really turn that country over. If your going to fight a war you need to do it properly, not play a political game tip toeing through the country. You guys should have the tools, the man power and the support to clean the place up. Not put up with some fat ass politician using you as pawns in his election game. Exactly - let the troops do their damn jobs.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #36 December 11, 2006 QuoteI meant the US part in the war, primarily against the Japanese in the Pacific Theatre Ah right, but thats kind of tunnel vision as being a WORLD WAR there was a bit more to it than the US & Japs in the Pacific. Equal oppurtunity disser: Thats a philosophy I like to use with my mentees (is that a real term?). I figure they can't complain about me taking the mickey if I do it equally to all of them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #37 December 11, 2006 Quotewe now might as well sit down with the people shooting at us and have a heart to heart with them Its a hard truth to accept but when the amount of casulties is no longer acceptable to either the US public or the administration thats exactly what will happen.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #38 December 11, 2006 QuoteThat Pacific theatre was fought while the British forces were locked up after the "fall" (outright surrender) of Shanghai. A clasic example of lions led by a donkey.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #39 December 11, 2006 QuoteI'm sorry my post upset you as much as it did. I am tired of the US's seemingly endless involvement in world affairs, and those who know me on this site are well aware of that. I've spent time on DZ's in the US since joining this site. Those soldiers I've met have skydived with me, because I actually go to DZ's to skydive, not to talk politics. To add some perspective, as I didn't even see your original post: The US has "only" been directly engaged in an influencial manner in world affairs, per se, for about 70 years. Each time the US has adopted a position to stay out of the way, or to react passively, it got caught with its pants down. If other countries played a more active role, the US role wouldn't need to be as intrusive. Back to what you were quoted about, tactfulness aside, I contend that what you wrote is, in fact, not true.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #40 December 11, 2006 QuoteBack to what you were quoted about, tactfulness aside, I contend that what you wrote is, in fact, not true. Not sure what I was quoted on here, or by who, but that possibility may well be true. As for the US only being involved in World affairs for 70 years, it's seems safe to say (even on SC) that for me as a 44 year old - that seems like forever. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,610 #41 December 11, 2006 QuoteI allways love this statement fucking morons make. It they even digged into history a little or spoke to someone 80 yrs old they might figure out the situation was different. In todays world the President of USA has TWO battlefronts. One over there, one here. If we could done the Patton strategy, it would have been over..but crying liberals over here would never allow that...you think they call the pres Hitler now?? If we had dropped flyers over Fallujah telling civilians they had 3 days to evacuate, then bomb the living shit out of it, soldiers could go through the rubble and take out any remaining insurgents. They would see that we could continue that on every other city and given up, but thats not acceptable by the far left. And I hate it when morons seriously advocate this strategy.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #42 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteBack to what you were quoted about, tactfulness aside, I contend that what you wrote is, in fact, not true. Not sure what I was quoted on here, or by who, but that possibility may well be true. Quote...for those still fighting to make your country great, they're not fighting very well. That's the quote, from which thread, I don't know.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #43 December 11, 2006 QuoteI am tired of the US's seemingly endless involvement in world affairs, The next time there's a sunami or an earthquake, we'll just keep our money and our ass at home. I can hear the crybabies now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #44 December 11, 2006 Quote Quote...for those still fighting to make your country great, they're not fighting very well. That's the quote, from which thread, I don't know. You're right. That's not true. They're fighting as well as they are being allowed to fight. Does that make more sense? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #45 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteI am tired of the US's seemingly endless involvement in world affairs, The next time there's a sunami or an earthquake, we'll just keep our money and our ass at home. Sure. You did it in New Orleans, so I'd understand why you'd do it elsewhere. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #46 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuote Quote...for those still fighting to make your country great, they're not fighting very well. That's the quote, from which thread, I don't know. You're right. That's not true. They're fighting as well as they are being allowed to fight. Does that make more sense? t I guess, though there were no real restrictions on what I could do when I was there - aside from not killing unarmed people, or stealing... Taking "common sense" restrictions out of it, I saw guys in my unit, the Marines we were there with, and others fight with unwavering force and dedication.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #47 December 11, 2006 LOL... But credit where its due the US did do a good job after the Sunami.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #48 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI am tired of the US's seemingly endless involvement in world affairs, The next time there's a sunami or an earthquake, we'll just keep our money and our ass at home. Sure. You did it in New Orleans, so I'd understand why you'd do it elsewhere. Damn, you really do believe everything you hear in the press don't you? Yeah, it was a clusterf*ck, did we turn our back on our own, no.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! 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livetofall 0 #27 December 11, 2006 QuoteAs for those still fighting to make your country great, they're not fighting very well. The US had managed to finish WW2 within 3 years, but has not even managed to contain the war in Iraq in more than the same timeframe. What's up with that? I allways love this statement fucking morons make. It they even digged into history a little or spoke to someone 80 yrs old they might figure out the situation was different. In todays world the President of USA has TWO battlefronts. One over there, one here. If we could done the Patton strategy, it would have been over..but crying liberals over here would never allow that...you think they call the pres Hitler now?? If we had dropped flyers over Fallujah telling civilians they had 3 days to evacuate, then bomb the living shit out of it, soldiers could go through the rubble and take out any remaining insurgents. They would see that we could continue that on every other city and given up, but thats not acceptable by the far left. Instead we try a "PC" aproach by going house by house, leaving our soldiers to easily be picked off. heavy airstrike first is why we got the europe back. Chances are if we used the same "PC' methods then, it would have been the same situation. Also the Hitler Youth pulled the same tactics these suicide bombers did...but then firing squad without the media calling the soldiers a lot of murderers. Different times, differerent mindsets, different battle. People in our own country are our soldiers worst enemy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #28 December 11, 2006 Beer!I've been called a lot of things in my life, but being a coward has not one of them, until now.. In retrospect, some prudence on my part would not have gone amiss, but I said it, so I'll stand by it, and look out for the givers of the fat lip when next I visit your country. I know many South Africans who recall being in Angola in 1976 and having the US withdraw their support for that operation and being compromised as a result. They were the people who trained me. I'm familiar with being a soldier at the beck and call of a bellicose government, but I was drafted. I never volunteered. I'm sorry my post upset you as much as it did. I am tired of the US's seemingly endless involvement in world affairs, and those who know me on this site are well aware of that. I've spent time on DZ's in the US since joining this site. Those soldiers I've met have skydived with me, because I actually go to DZ's to skydive, not to talk politics. You and I are from different countries. We have different views. We have different governments, and we have fought for different armed forces against different enemies. It's only logical that we would have differing opinions. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #29 December 11, 2006 Those soldiers I've met have skydived with me, because I actually go to DZ's to skydive, not to talk politics. Quote I'm with you on the leave SC in SC part. Originally my post was started as a response to what I considered to be disrespectful, and well, you already called out the other part. You've been there and understand what it's like to not get asked how you feel about where you go, and also understand that when a soldier gets involved in something they like to finish what they started, it's not the soldiers who fuck it up it's those up in starfleet command. Quote but I said it, so I'll stand by it, and look out for the givers of the fat lip when next I visit your country. And that right there deserves much respect, you're good in my book brother, like I said I never tried to take away a man's right to speak his mind, but stick to your guns and don't cry when someone let's ya have it, not everyone chooses words over action. How bought we trade in the fat lip for a beer sometime And I'm out for the night, I have to get up in a few hours to go to work.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #30 December 11, 2006 QuoteHow bought we trade in the fat lip for a beer sometime [joke]If I'm forced to choose between a beer and a fat lip, and I choose the beer... does that make me a coward?[/joke] I'll take you up on the beer, thanks.tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #31 December 11, 2006 I'll take you up on the beer, thanks. Quote Are you sure, I've been told I give a good fat lipHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #32 December 11, 2006 OK. I'll take the fat lip, but I want a beer to bleed into. That's my final offer! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #33 December 11, 2006 QuoteThe US had managed to finish WW2 within 3 years Bwahahahahaha, that did make me chuckle. God bless America. No truly, if it wasn't for you we'd all be in such a bad way no wonder you got this superiority complex and think you can push people around. The world owes you, right? Don't forget your little chestnut there was to kill and maim thousands of civilians with a couple of indiscriminate bombs, the like of which the world never wants to see again. GQ: If everytime things got tough people ran away the world would be a sad place. Keep up the good work, but I can imagine its hard when idiots at home make you think why the fuck am I doing this if noone appreciates it. Few issues I should get off my chest now. Ban the media from warzones, they have no place there and are painting a bad picture in their usual media-hype way. When they get shot or injured we never hear the end of it, like its shocking for someone to get hurt on a battlefield. Up the manpower and aggression and really turn that country over. If your going to fight a war you need to do it properly, not play a political game tip toeing through the country. You guys should have the tools, the man power and the support to clean the place up. Not put up with some fat ass politician using you as pawns in his election game. This is where democracy sucks, playing to the peoples needs when you've got unfinished business elsewhere Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #34 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe US had managed to finish WW2 within 3 years Bwahahahahaha, that did make me chuckle. Umm... those were my words, not his, and they were wrong, since I got the dates of Pearl Harbour wrong, so it was actually 4 years. When I wrote them, I meant the US part in the war, primarily against the Japanese in the Pacific Theatre since the origionating thread was about Pearl Harbour. That Pacific theatre was fought while the British forces were locked up after the "fall" (outright surrender) of Shanghai. (See? I'm an equal oportunity disser. You're not top of my list cos your time for world domination has come and gone.) tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #35 December 11, 2006 QuoteBan the media from warzones, they have no place there and are painting a bad picture in their usual media-hype way. When they get shot or injured we never hear the end of it, like its shocking for someone to get hurt on a battlefield. Up the manpower and aggression and really turn that country over. If your going to fight a war you need to do it properly, not play a political game tip toeing through the country. You guys should have the tools, the man power and the support to clean the place up. Not put up with some fat ass politician using you as pawns in his election game. Exactly - let the troops do their damn jobs.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #36 December 11, 2006 QuoteI meant the US part in the war, primarily against the Japanese in the Pacific Theatre Ah right, but thats kind of tunnel vision as being a WORLD WAR there was a bit more to it than the US & Japs in the Pacific. Equal oppurtunity disser: Thats a philosophy I like to use with my mentees (is that a real term?). I figure they can't complain about me taking the mickey if I do it equally to all of them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #37 December 11, 2006 Quotewe now might as well sit down with the people shooting at us and have a heart to heart with them Its a hard truth to accept but when the amount of casulties is no longer acceptable to either the US public or the administration thats exactly what will happen.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #38 December 11, 2006 QuoteThat Pacific theatre was fought while the British forces were locked up after the "fall" (outright surrender) of Shanghai. A clasic example of lions led by a donkey.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #39 December 11, 2006 QuoteI'm sorry my post upset you as much as it did. I am tired of the US's seemingly endless involvement in world affairs, and those who know me on this site are well aware of that. I've spent time on DZ's in the US since joining this site. Those soldiers I've met have skydived with me, because I actually go to DZ's to skydive, not to talk politics. To add some perspective, as I didn't even see your original post: The US has "only" been directly engaged in an influencial manner in world affairs, per se, for about 70 years. Each time the US has adopted a position to stay out of the way, or to react passively, it got caught with its pants down. If other countries played a more active role, the US role wouldn't need to be as intrusive. Back to what you were quoted about, tactfulness aside, I contend that what you wrote is, in fact, not true.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #40 December 11, 2006 QuoteBack to what you were quoted about, tactfulness aside, I contend that what you wrote is, in fact, not true. Not sure what I was quoted on here, or by who, but that possibility may well be true. As for the US only being involved in World affairs for 70 years, it's seems safe to say (even on SC) that for me as a 44 year old - that seems like forever. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,610 #41 December 11, 2006 QuoteI allways love this statement fucking morons make. It they even digged into history a little or spoke to someone 80 yrs old they might figure out the situation was different. In todays world the President of USA has TWO battlefronts. One over there, one here. If we could done the Patton strategy, it would have been over..but crying liberals over here would never allow that...you think they call the pres Hitler now?? If we had dropped flyers over Fallujah telling civilians they had 3 days to evacuate, then bomb the living shit out of it, soldiers could go through the rubble and take out any remaining insurgents. They would see that we could continue that on every other city and given up, but thats not acceptable by the far left. And I hate it when morons seriously advocate this strategy.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #42 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteBack to what you were quoted about, tactfulness aside, I contend that what you wrote is, in fact, not true. Not sure what I was quoted on here, or by who, but that possibility may well be true. Quote...for those still fighting to make your country great, they're not fighting very well. That's the quote, from which thread, I don't know.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #43 December 11, 2006 QuoteI am tired of the US's seemingly endless involvement in world affairs, The next time there's a sunami or an earthquake, we'll just keep our money and our ass at home. I can hear the crybabies now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #44 December 11, 2006 Quote Quote...for those still fighting to make your country great, they're not fighting very well. That's the quote, from which thread, I don't know. You're right. That's not true. They're fighting as well as they are being allowed to fight. Does that make more sense? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #45 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteI am tired of the US's seemingly endless involvement in world affairs, The next time there's a sunami or an earthquake, we'll just keep our money and our ass at home. Sure. You did it in New Orleans, so I'd understand why you'd do it elsewhere. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #46 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuote Quote...for those still fighting to make your country great, they're not fighting very well. That's the quote, from which thread, I don't know. You're right. That's not true. They're fighting as well as they are being allowed to fight. Does that make more sense? t I guess, though there were no real restrictions on what I could do when I was there - aside from not killing unarmed people, or stealing... Taking "common sense" restrictions out of it, I saw guys in my unit, the Marines we were there with, and others fight with unwavering force and dedication.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #47 December 11, 2006 LOL... But credit where its due the US did do a good job after the Sunami.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #48 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI am tired of the US's seemingly endless involvement in world affairs, The next time there's a sunami or an earthquake, we'll just keep our money and our ass at home. Sure. You did it in New Orleans, so I'd understand why you'd do it elsewhere. Damn, you really do believe everything you hear in the press don't you? Yeah, it was a clusterf*ck, did we turn our back on our own, no.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #49 December 11, 2006 Quote the US did do a good job after the Sunami. Yeah... but not as good as Michael Schumacher... tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #50 December 11, 2006 [replyYeah... but not as good as Michael Schumacher... Well, nobody's as good as him!! Geez...!! So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! 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Tonto 1 #30 December 11, 2006 QuoteHow bought we trade in the fat lip for a beer sometime [joke]If I'm forced to choose between a beer and a fat lip, and I choose the beer... does that make me a coward?[/joke] I'll take you up on the beer, thanks.tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #31 December 11, 2006 I'll take you up on the beer, thanks. Quote Are you sure, I've been told I give a good fat lipHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #32 December 11, 2006 OK. I'll take the fat lip, but I want a beer to bleed into. That's my final offer! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #33 December 11, 2006 QuoteThe US had managed to finish WW2 within 3 years Bwahahahahaha, that did make me chuckle. God bless America. No truly, if it wasn't for you we'd all be in such a bad way no wonder you got this superiority complex and think you can push people around. The world owes you, right? Don't forget your little chestnut there was to kill and maim thousands of civilians with a couple of indiscriminate bombs, the like of which the world never wants to see again. GQ: If everytime things got tough people ran away the world would be a sad place. Keep up the good work, but I can imagine its hard when idiots at home make you think why the fuck am I doing this if noone appreciates it. Few issues I should get off my chest now. Ban the media from warzones, they have no place there and are painting a bad picture in their usual media-hype way. When they get shot or injured we never hear the end of it, like its shocking for someone to get hurt on a battlefield. Up the manpower and aggression and really turn that country over. If your going to fight a war you need to do it properly, not play a political game tip toeing through the country. You guys should have the tools, the man power and the support to clean the place up. Not put up with some fat ass politician using you as pawns in his election game. This is where democracy sucks, playing to the peoples needs when you've got unfinished business elsewhere Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #34 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe US had managed to finish WW2 within 3 years Bwahahahahaha, that did make me chuckle. Umm... those were my words, not his, and they were wrong, since I got the dates of Pearl Harbour wrong, so it was actually 4 years. When I wrote them, I meant the US part in the war, primarily against the Japanese in the Pacific Theatre since the origionating thread was about Pearl Harbour. That Pacific theatre was fought while the British forces were locked up after the "fall" (outright surrender) of Shanghai. (See? I'm an equal oportunity disser. You're not top of my list cos your time for world domination has come and gone.) tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #35 December 11, 2006 QuoteBan the media from warzones, they have no place there and are painting a bad picture in their usual media-hype way. When they get shot or injured we never hear the end of it, like its shocking for someone to get hurt on a battlefield. Up the manpower and aggression and really turn that country over. If your going to fight a war you need to do it properly, not play a political game tip toeing through the country. You guys should have the tools, the man power and the support to clean the place up. Not put up with some fat ass politician using you as pawns in his election game. Exactly - let the troops do their damn jobs.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #36 December 11, 2006 QuoteI meant the US part in the war, primarily against the Japanese in the Pacific Theatre Ah right, but thats kind of tunnel vision as being a WORLD WAR there was a bit more to it than the US & Japs in the Pacific. Equal oppurtunity disser: Thats a philosophy I like to use with my mentees (is that a real term?). I figure they can't complain about me taking the mickey if I do it equally to all of them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #37 December 11, 2006 Quotewe now might as well sit down with the people shooting at us and have a heart to heart with them Its a hard truth to accept but when the amount of casulties is no longer acceptable to either the US public or the administration thats exactly what will happen.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #38 December 11, 2006 QuoteThat Pacific theatre was fought while the British forces were locked up after the "fall" (outright surrender) of Shanghai. A clasic example of lions led by a donkey.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #39 December 11, 2006 QuoteI'm sorry my post upset you as much as it did. I am tired of the US's seemingly endless involvement in world affairs, and those who know me on this site are well aware of that. I've spent time on DZ's in the US since joining this site. Those soldiers I've met have skydived with me, because I actually go to DZ's to skydive, not to talk politics. To add some perspective, as I didn't even see your original post: The US has "only" been directly engaged in an influencial manner in world affairs, per se, for about 70 years. Each time the US has adopted a position to stay out of the way, or to react passively, it got caught with its pants down. If other countries played a more active role, the US role wouldn't need to be as intrusive. Back to what you were quoted about, tactfulness aside, I contend that what you wrote is, in fact, not true.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #40 December 11, 2006 QuoteBack to what you were quoted about, tactfulness aside, I contend that what you wrote is, in fact, not true. Not sure what I was quoted on here, or by who, but that possibility may well be true. As for the US only being involved in World affairs for 70 years, it's seems safe to say (even on SC) that for me as a 44 year old - that seems like forever. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,610 #41 December 11, 2006 QuoteI allways love this statement fucking morons make. It they even digged into history a little or spoke to someone 80 yrs old they might figure out the situation was different. In todays world the President of USA has TWO battlefronts. One over there, one here. If we could done the Patton strategy, it would have been over..but crying liberals over here would never allow that...you think they call the pres Hitler now?? If we had dropped flyers over Fallujah telling civilians they had 3 days to evacuate, then bomb the living shit out of it, soldiers could go through the rubble and take out any remaining insurgents. They would see that we could continue that on every other city and given up, but thats not acceptable by the far left. And I hate it when morons seriously advocate this strategy.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #42 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteBack to what you were quoted about, tactfulness aside, I contend that what you wrote is, in fact, not true. Not sure what I was quoted on here, or by who, but that possibility may well be true. Quote...for those still fighting to make your country great, they're not fighting very well. That's the quote, from which thread, I don't know.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #43 December 11, 2006 QuoteI am tired of the US's seemingly endless involvement in world affairs, The next time there's a sunami or an earthquake, we'll just keep our money and our ass at home. I can hear the crybabies now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #44 December 11, 2006 Quote Quote...for those still fighting to make your country great, they're not fighting very well. That's the quote, from which thread, I don't know. You're right. That's not true. They're fighting as well as they are being allowed to fight. Does that make more sense? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #45 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteI am tired of the US's seemingly endless involvement in world affairs, The next time there's a sunami or an earthquake, we'll just keep our money and our ass at home. Sure. You did it in New Orleans, so I'd understand why you'd do it elsewhere. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #46 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuote Quote...for those still fighting to make your country great, they're not fighting very well. That's the quote, from which thread, I don't know. You're right. That's not true. They're fighting as well as they are being allowed to fight. Does that make more sense? t I guess, though there were no real restrictions on what I could do when I was there - aside from not killing unarmed people, or stealing... Taking "common sense" restrictions out of it, I saw guys in my unit, the Marines we were there with, and others fight with unwavering force and dedication.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #47 December 11, 2006 LOL... But credit where its due the US did do a good job after the Sunami.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #48 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI am tired of the US's seemingly endless involvement in world affairs, The next time there's a sunami or an earthquake, we'll just keep our money and our ass at home. Sure. You did it in New Orleans, so I'd understand why you'd do it elsewhere. Damn, you really do believe everything you hear in the press don't you? Yeah, it was a clusterf*ck, did we turn our back on our own, no.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #49 December 11, 2006 Quote the US did do a good job after the Sunami. Yeah... but not as good as Michael Schumacher... tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #50 December 11, 2006 [replyYeah... but not as good as Michael Schumacher... Well, nobody's as good as him!! Geez...!! So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #32 December 11, 2006 OK. I'll take the fat lip, but I want a beer to bleed into. That's my final offer! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #33 December 11, 2006 QuoteThe US had managed to finish WW2 within 3 years Bwahahahahaha, that did make me chuckle. God bless America. No truly, if it wasn't for you we'd all be in such a bad way no wonder you got this superiority complex and think you can push people around. The world owes you, right? Don't forget your little chestnut there was to kill and maim thousands of civilians with a couple of indiscriminate bombs, the like of which the world never wants to see again. GQ: If everytime things got tough people ran away the world would be a sad place. Keep up the good work, but I can imagine its hard when idiots at home make you think why the fuck am I doing this if noone appreciates it. Few issues I should get off my chest now. Ban the media from warzones, they have no place there and are painting a bad picture in their usual media-hype way. When they get shot or injured we never hear the end of it, like its shocking for someone to get hurt on a battlefield. Up the manpower and aggression and really turn that country over. If your going to fight a war you need to do it properly, not play a political game tip toeing through the country. You guys should have the tools, the man power and the support to clean the place up. Not put up with some fat ass politician using you as pawns in his election game. This is where democracy sucks, playing to the peoples needs when you've got unfinished business elsewhere Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #34 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe US had managed to finish WW2 within 3 years Bwahahahahaha, that did make me chuckle. Umm... those were my words, not his, and they were wrong, since I got the dates of Pearl Harbour wrong, so it was actually 4 years. When I wrote them, I meant the US part in the war, primarily against the Japanese in the Pacific Theatre since the origionating thread was about Pearl Harbour. That Pacific theatre was fought while the British forces were locked up after the "fall" (outright surrender) of Shanghai. (See? I'm an equal oportunity disser. You're not top of my list cos your time for world domination has come and gone.) tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #35 December 11, 2006 QuoteBan the media from warzones, they have no place there and are painting a bad picture in their usual media-hype way. When they get shot or injured we never hear the end of it, like its shocking for someone to get hurt on a battlefield. Up the manpower and aggression and really turn that country over. If your going to fight a war you need to do it properly, not play a political game tip toeing through the country. You guys should have the tools, the man power and the support to clean the place up. Not put up with some fat ass politician using you as pawns in his election game. Exactly - let the troops do their damn jobs.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #36 December 11, 2006 QuoteI meant the US part in the war, primarily against the Japanese in the Pacific Theatre Ah right, but thats kind of tunnel vision as being a WORLD WAR there was a bit more to it than the US & Japs in the Pacific. Equal oppurtunity disser: Thats a philosophy I like to use with my mentees (is that a real term?). I figure they can't complain about me taking the mickey if I do it equally to all of them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #37 December 11, 2006 Quotewe now might as well sit down with the people shooting at us and have a heart to heart with them Its a hard truth to accept but when the amount of casulties is no longer acceptable to either the US public or the administration thats exactly what will happen.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #38 December 11, 2006 QuoteThat Pacific theatre was fought while the British forces were locked up after the "fall" (outright surrender) of Shanghai. A clasic example of lions led by a donkey.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #39 December 11, 2006 QuoteI'm sorry my post upset you as much as it did. I am tired of the US's seemingly endless involvement in world affairs, and those who know me on this site are well aware of that. I've spent time on DZ's in the US since joining this site. Those soldiers I've met have skydived with me, because I actually go to DZ's to skydive, not to talk politics. To add some perspective, as I didn't even see your original post: The US has "only" been directly engaged in an influencial manner in world affairs, per se, for about 70 years. Each time the US has adopted a position to stay out of the way, or to react passively, it got caught with its pants down. If other countries played a more active role, the US role wouldn't need to be as intrusive. Back to what you were quoted about, tactfulness aside, I contend that what you wrote is, in fact, not true.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #40 December 11, 2006 QuoteBack to what you were quoted about, tactfulness aside, I contend that what you wrote is, in fact, not true. Not sure what I was quoted on here, or by who, but that possibility may well be true. As for the US only being involved in World affairs for 70 years, it's seems safe to say (even on SC) that for me as a 44 year old - that seems like forever. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,610 #41 December 11, 2006 QuoteI allways love this statement fucking morons make. It they even digged into history a little or spoke to someone 80 yrs old they might figure out the situation was different. In todays world the President of USA has TWO battlefronts. One over there, one here. If we could done the Patton strategy, it would have been over..but crying liberals over here would never allow that...you think they call the pres Hitler now?? If we had dropped flyers over Fallujah telling civilians they had 3 days to evacuate, then bomb the living shit out of it, soldiers could go through the rubble and take out any remaining insurgents. They would see that we could continue that on every other city and given up, but thats not acceptable by the far left. And I hate it when morons seriously advocate this strategy.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #42 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteBack to what you were quoted about, tactfulness aside, I contend that what you wrote is, in fact, not true. Not sure what I was quoted on here, or by who, but that possibility may well be true. Quote...for those still fighting to make your country great, they're not fighting very well. That's the quote, from which thread, I don't know.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #43 December 11, 2006 QuoteI am tired of the US's seemingly endless involvement in world affairs, The next time there's a sunami or an earthquake, we'll just keep our money and our ass at home. I can hear the crybabies now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #44 December 11, 2006 Quote Quote...for those still fighting to make your country great, they're not fighting very well. That's the quote, from which thread, I don't know. You're right. That's not true. They're fighting as well as they are being allowed to fight. Does that make more sense? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #45 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteI am tired of the US's seemingly endless involvement in world affairs, The next time there's a sunami or an earthquake, we'll just keep our money and our ass at home. Sure. You did it in New Orleans, so I'd understand why you'd do it elsewhere. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #46 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuote Quote...for those still fighting to make your country great, they're not fighting very well. That's the quote, from which thread, I don't know. You're right. That's not true. They're fighting as well as they are being allowed to fight. Does that make more sense? t I guess, though there were no real restrictions on what I could do when I was there - aside from not killing unarmed people, or stealing... Taking "common sense" restrictions out of it, I saw guys in my unit, the Marines we were there with, and others fight with unwavering force and dedication.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #47 December 11, 2006 LOL... But credit where its due the US did do a good job after the Sunami.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #48 December 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI am tired of the US's seemingly endless involvement in world affairs, The next time there's a sunami or an earthquake, we'll just keep our money and our ass at home. Sure. You did it in New Orleans, so I'd understand why you'd do it elsewhere. Damn, you really do believe everything you hear in the press don't you? Yeah, it was a clusterf*ck, did we turn our back on our own, no.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #49 December 11, 2006 Quote the US did do a good job after the Sunami. Yeah... but not as good as Michael Schumacher... tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #50 December 11, 2006 [replyYeah... but not as good as Michael Schumacher... Well, nobody's as good as him!! Geez...!! So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
