warpedskydiver 0 #1 December 8, 2006 Ill. Judge Charged With Drunken Driving Friday, December 8, 2006 12:25 AM EST The Associated Press By JIM SUHR BELLEVILLE, Ill. (AP) — A judge driving with his boss was charged with drunken driving after a wreck that sent another motorist to the hospital, and the other judge was seen by an officer pouring out a can of beer, police said. St. Clair County Circuit Judge Patrick Young, 58, was handcuffed and arrested and charged with drunken driving after the Sunday crash, about 20 miles from St. Louis. He refused a sobriety test, authorities said. officer, Jeffrey Sheary, reported seeing Young's passenger, Chief Judge Jan Fiss, 64, pour out an open beer can on the road and try to hide it in his coat. It was not immediately clear Thursday if Fiss had been charged. In his report, Belleville police Patrolman Shane Brown said Young was apparently turning left in his sport utility vehicle when he entered the path of a pickup truck. Its driver, Abel Muhammad, 39, was trapped in the wreckage and later hospitalized complaining of a broken leg. Brown reported detecting "a strong odor of an alcoholic beverage" on Young's breath. He wrote Young "also had glassy, red bloodshot eyes." Young's attorney, Clyde Kuehn, said Thursday his client was "absolutely within his rights" to refuse a field sobriety test and a Breathalyzer test, saying the tests have proven unreliable. Refusing a blood alcohol test leads to a six-month license suspension in Illinois. The misdemeanor DUI count carries a maximum punishment of a year in jail and $1,000 in fines, Kuehn said. Young was released after posting his driver's license and $100 as bond. Messages left Thursday for both judges through the court were not immediately returnedQuote This case will be dismissed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #2 December 8, 2006 Yea it might get dismissed, but I have to admit I am happy that the officer arrested them. Arresting a judge takes some balls, and strong work ethics. Good for the officer for doing the right thing on his part. I am sure it was not easy.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #3 December 8, 2006 QuoteYoung's attorney, Clyde Kuehn, said Thursday his client was "absolutely within his rights" to refuse a field sobriety test and a Breathalyzer test, saying the tests have proven unreliable. I wonder how this judge has viewed the reliability of the field sobriety test and/or the Breathalyzer in cases over which he has presided.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #4 December 8, 2006 QuoteYea it might get dismissed, but I have to admit I am happy that the officer arrested them. Arresting a judge takes some balls, and strong work ethics. Good for the officer for doing the right thing on his part. I am sure it was not easy. That officer deserves praise that is for sure. I think alot of the police officers in this country are dedicated and honest. There are far too many that aren't Just like lawyers who tell clients to plead guilty when they are innocent, I believe the term is "sandbagging" where a lawyer sells quite a few clients down the river, in order to receive "special favor from the prosecution in order to save a client in the future. Thus enlarging his reputation as a "great lawyer" for winning a big case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #5 December 8, 2006 QuoteI am sure it was not easy. Or maybe it was. It would be interesting to find out this particular officer's conviction rate was before this judge, if he had ever been in his courtroom.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #6 December 8, 2006 Quotewhere a lawyer sells quite a few clients down the river, in order to receive "special favor from the prosecution in order to save a client in the future. Thus enlarging his reputation as a "great lawyer" for winning a big case. You might not have meant to, but you've just broad-brush slandered every criminal defense attorney out there. Back when I practiced criminal defense law regularly, I worked 80 hour weeks, and not once did I "sell a client down the river" to curry favor or future considerations from the DA's or US Attorney's offices, and when I was an assistant DA, not once did I ever give "future favor" to a defense attorney for pleading one of his clients out. The only time I – or any other defense attorney I've known in 20+ years of practice – ever recommended to a client of mine that he plead guilty when he denied the charge was to simply lay it out for him: "Ok, this is the evidence. Now, with this evidence, here's the chances of winning, and here's the chances of losing. If you win, you go home a free man. If you lose, you'll likely be convicted of felony assault, and with your prior record, you'll probably get 8 years in state prison. But if you plead guilty to misdemeanor assault, the DA has agreed to a sentence of 13 months in the county jail. What do YOU want to do?" Then I let the client make the decision. And I have NEVER, EVER misrepresented any of the evidence or chances at trial to a client to get him to do what I recommended, for any reason. Ever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #7 December 8, 2006 I was not inferring in any way that ALL attorneys do this nor have ever entertained the thought of doing so. I am saying that it happens often enough to sully the reputation of many fine lawyers. Andy I would have you represent me any day if I ever needed it. The same is true of Fred. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #8 December 8, 2006 Quote I am saying that it happens often enough to sully the reputation of many fine lawyers. Really? Not in my world. QuoteAndy I would have you represent me any day if I ever needed it. You sound like you have a guilty conscience. What are you trying to hide? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #9 December 8, 2006 QuoteQuote I am saying that it happens often enough to sully the reputation of many fine lawyers. Really? Not in my world. QuoteAndy I would have you represent me any day if I ever needed it. You sound like you have a guilty conscience. What are you trying to hide? Not a single thing, I have never done anything, been anywhere, met anyone, or if I have I cannot recall, whether or not, any said things which may have or, have not happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #10 December 8, 2006 Wow! What is the nation coming to? Next we'll be hearing of politicians who took bribes.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ExAFO 0 #11 December 8, 2006 Big deal. He'll lose his seat on the bench, via a forced retirement with the consummate pension. 1st Convictions seldom entail jail time, although he'll probably get some sanction from the Bar.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #12 December 8, 2006 This happens more often than you know. Judges get pinched frequently. For an interesting look at how some judges fuck up, look at this. http://cjp.ca.gov/pubdisc.htm My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymedic 0 #13 December 9, 2006 Considering they just moved to take this guys physicians license away...it's not going anywhere. His life is pretty much over. 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Darius11 12 #2 December 8, 2006 Yea it might get dismissed, but I have to admit I am happy that the officer arrested them. Arresting a judge takes some balls, and strong work ethics. Good for the officer for doing the right thing on his part. I am sure it was not easy.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #3 December 8, 2006 QuoteYoung's attorney, Clyde Kuehn, said Thursday his client was "absolutely within his rights" to refuse a field sobriety test and a Breathalyzer test, saying the tests have proven unreliable. I wonder how this judge has viewed the reliability of the field sobriety test and/or the Breathalyzer in cases over which he has presided.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #4 December 8, 2006 QuoteYea it might get dismissed, but I have to admit I am happy that the officer arrested them. Arresting a judge takes some balls, and strong work ethics. Good for the officer for doing the right thing on his part. I am sure it was not easy. That officer deserves praise that is for sure. I think alot of the police officers in this country are dedicated and honest. There are far too many that aren't Just like lawyers who tell clients to plead guilty when they are innocent, I believe the term is "sandbagging" where a lawyer sells quite a few clients down the river, in order to receive "special favor from the prosecution in order to save a client in the future. Thus enlarging his reputation as a "great lawyer" for winning a big case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #5 December 8, 2006 QuoteI am sure it was not easy. Or maybe it was. It would be interesting to find out this particular officer's conviction rate was before this judge, if he had ever been in his courtroom.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #6 December 8, 2006 Quotewhere a lawyer sells quite a few clients down the river, in order to receive "special favor from the prosecution in order to save a client in the future. Thus enlarging his reputation as a "great lawyer" for winning a big case. You might not have meant to, but you've just broad-brush slandered every criminal defense attorney out there. Back when I practiced criminal defense law regularly, I worked 80 hour weeks, and not once did I "sell a client down the river" to curry favor or future considerations from the DA's or US Attorney's offices, and when I was an assistant DA, not once did I ever give "future favor" to a defense attorney for pleading one of his clients out. The only time I – or any other defense attorney I've known in 20+ years of practice – ever recommended to a client of mine that he plead guilty when he denied the charge was to simply lay it out for him: "Ok, this is the evidence. Now, with this evidence, here's the chances of winning, and here's the chances of losing. If you win, you go home a free man. If you lose, you'll likely be convicted of felony assault, and with your prior record, you'll probably get 8 years in state prison. But if you plead guilty to misdemeanor assault, the DA has agreed to a sentence of 13 months in the county jail. What do YOU want to do?" Then I let the client make the decision. And I have NEVER, EVER misrepresented any of the evidence or chances at trial to a client to get him to do what I recommended, for any reason. Ever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #7 December 8, 2006 I was not inferring in any way that ALL attorneys do this nor have ever entertained the thought of doing so. I am saying that it happens often enough to sully the reputation of many fine lawyers. Andy I would have you represent me any day if I ever needed it. The same is true of Fred. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #8 December 8, 2006 Quote I am saying that it happens often enough to sully the reputation of many fine lawyers. Really? Not in my world. QuoteAndy I would have you represent me any day if I ever needed it. You sound like you have a guilty conscience. What are you trying to hide? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #9 December 8, 2006 QuoteQuote I am saying that it happens often enough to sully the reputation of many fine lawyers. Really? Not in my world. QuoteAndy I would have you represent me any day if I ever needed it. You sound like you have a guilty conscience. What are you trying to hide? Not a single thing, I have never done anything, been anywhere, met anyone, or if I have I cannot recall, whether or not, any said things which may have or, have not happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #10 December 8, 2006 Wow! What is the nation coming to? Next we'll be hearing of politicians who took bribes.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ExAFO 0 #11 December 8, 2006 Big deal. He'll lose his seat on the bench, via a forced retirement with the consummate pension. 1st Convictions seldom entail jail time, although he'll probably get some sanction from the Bar.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #12 December 8, 2006 This happens more often than you know. Judges get pinched frequently. For an interesting look at how some judges fuck up, look at this. http://cjp.ca.gov/pubdisc.htm My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymedic 0 #13 December 9, 2006 Considering they just moved to take this guys physicians license away...it's not going anywhere. His life is pretty much over. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
kallend 2,150 #10 December 8, 2006 Wow! What is the nation coming to? Next we'll be hearing of politicians who took bribes.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #11 December 8, 2006 Big deal. He'll lose his seat on the bench, via a forced retirement with the consummate pension. 1st Convictions seldom entail jail time, although he'll probably get some sanction from the Bar.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #12 December 8, 2006 This happens more often than you know. Judges get pinched frequently. For an interesting look at how some judges fuck up, look at this. http://cjp.ca.gov/pubdisc.htm My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #13 December 9, 2006 Considering they just moved to take this guys physicians license away...it's not going anywhere. His life is pretty much over. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
