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QuoteQuoteYou're still thinking old school. The newer model is "don't tax (but if you have to make sure that the middle class pays for it), borrow like crazy (from friends, enemies, who cares?), pork out at a record levels and don't even bother to fund your own government operations".
Your "new" model is the same old thing, it's just that it used to be blatant for only one party and hidden for the other, now it's business as usual and in your face for both.
So I assume you also have issues with the fiscal policies of both parties - especially that they have a bloated number of expenses than needed drastic cutting - it's not the income side that's out of control, it's the spending side
as far as raising taxes helps vs raising taxes hurts, well, the left has a theory that focuses on the primary output variables, the right thinks the secondary effects are more powerful....Either is correct depending on the context and timing in the economy....But it's solely about how much to take in, not about what we spend it on.
The only way to reduce debt is to drastically reduce spending, not just slow down the rate of increase, make everyone a taxpayer and an owner in the economy (eliminate any kind of 0% tax bracket, even in lieu of a token tax just for) to eliminate a general and growing sense of "me me me". People need to understand that every dime the government spends isn't "free", it's comes out of all of our pockets.
all you partisan types are all fighting over income, not expenses and it's just the wrong focus
IMO of course
Actually I always considered myself an independent, or possibly "liberaltarian". The reason that I give the R's such a hard time is because I hate what they've become since the late 80's. I disagreed with the whole Reagan piss on my back and tell me it's trickling ideology but at least it had a decent theory behind and was worthy of debate. Basically after the R's got the purse strings in the 90's they've proven that they aren't who they said they were going to be (which, IMHO is why "trickle down" won't/hasn't work/worked). And then when the got Mr. "Compassionate" in the WH the R's went completely bonkers. They have completely shattered the myth that they are the party of fiscal responsibility. There is absolutely NO comparision to the waste and personal profiteering at the public trough that we've seen in the last six years, except for maybe Boss Tweed. To pretend that it is just politics as usual and not factor in the massive upscaling is disingenuous at best.
And I agree that spending is the problem. I where I disagree with many on the right these days is where the money that we do spend should be spent. And I agree that there should be no zero tax bracket. Knocking about 70,000 pages out of the tax code would be a good start towards correcting that.
Nice post.
billvon 3,120
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>No, you "SAY" staying is loosing.
Today's "victory in Iraq" -
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Attacks in Iraq at record high: Pentagon
Monday, December 18, 2006; 7:37 PM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Attacks in Iraq on U.S.-led forces, local security personnel and civilians have surged 22 percent to record levels, the Pentagon said in its latest quarterly report on Iraq published on Monday.
The report also noted a rise in civilian casualties and said this was directly linked to the rise of sectarian death squads, which were helped by elements of Iraqi forces.
. . .
"Attack levels -- both overall and in all specific measurable categories -- were the highest on record during this reporting period," said the report, "Measuring Stability and Security in Iraq," produced for the U.S. Congress.
The average number of attacks per week rose to 959 in the three months from August 12 to November 10, from 784 in the previous three months, according to figures provided by the Pentagon to accompany the report.
. . .
The report said civilian casualties from attacks had risen a further 2 percent over the previous three months and by some 60 percent compared to earlier in the year.
"Death squads predominantly target civilians and the increase in civilian casualties is directly correlated to an increase in death squad activities," the report said.
"Shi'a death squads leveraged support from some elements of the Iraqi Police Service and the National Police who facilitated freedom of movement and provided advance warning of upcoming operations," the report also said.
"This is a major reason for the increased levels of murders and executions," it said.
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Thank goodness everything is fine over there! If not for the reassurances of the pro-war crowd, one might actually think we're losing control of this situation.
Today's "victory in Iraq" -
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Attacks in Iraq at record high: Pentagon
Monday, December 18, 2006; 7:37 PM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Attacks in Iraq on U.S.-led forces, local security personnel and civilians have surged 22 percent to record levels, the Pentagon said in its latest quarterly report on Iraq published on Monday.
The report also noted a rise in civilian casualties and said this was directly linked to the rise of sectarian death squads, which were helped by elements of Iraqi forces.
. . .
"Attack levels -- both overall and in all specific measurable categories -- were the highest on record during this reporting period," said the report, "Measuring Stability and Security in Iraq," produced for the U.S. Congress.
The average number of attacks per week rose to 959 in the three months from August 12 to November 10, from 784 in the previous three months, according to figures provided by the Pentagon to accompany the report.
. . .
The report said civilian casualties from attacks had risen a further 2 percent over the previous three months and by some 60 percent compared to earlier in the year.
"Death squads predominantly target civilians and the increase in civilian casualties is directly correlated to an increase in death squad activities," the report said.
"Shi'a death squads leveraged support from some elements of the Iraqi Police Service and the National Police who facilitated freedom of movement and provided advance warning of upcoming operations," the report also said.
"This is a major reason for the increased levels of murders and executions," it said.
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Thank goodness everything is fine over there! If not for the reassurances of the pro-war crowd, one might actually think we're losing control of this situation.
rushmc 23
Quote>No, you "SAY" staying is loosing.
Today's "victory in Iraq" -
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Attacks in Iraq at record high: Pentagon
Monday, December 18, 2006; 7:37 PM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Attacks in Iraq on U.S.-led forces, local security personnel and civilians have surged 22 percent to record levels, the Pentagon said in its latest quarterly report on Iraq published on Monday.
The report also noted a rise in civilian casualties and said this was directly linked to the rise of sectarian death squads, which were helped by elements of Iraqi forces.
. . .
"Attack levels -- both overall and in all specific measurable categories -- were the highest on record during this reporting period," said the report, "Measuring Stability and Security in Iraq," produced for the U.S. Congress.
The average number of attacks per week rose to 959 in the three months from August 12 to November 10, from 784 in the previous three months, according to figures provided by the Pentagon to accompany the report.
. . .
The report said civilian casualties from attacks had risen a further 2 percent over the previous three months and by some 60 percent compared to earlier in the year.
"Death squads predominantly target civilians and the increase in civilian casualties is directly correlated to an increase in death squad activities," the report said.
"Shi'a death squads leveraged support from some elements of the Iraqi Police Service and the National Police who facilitated freedom of movement and provided advance warning of upcoming operations," the report also said.
"This is a major reason for the increased levels of murders and executions," it said.
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Thank goodness everything is fine over there! If not for the reassurances of the pro-war crowd, one might actually think we're losing control of this situation.
Well that is it then. Increases in violence is loosing. Gotta make sure I make the changes in the dictionary.
Are you sure there may not be other reasons or circumstances involved in this before I make the changes?
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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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rehmwa 2
What NC said - nice post
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
billvon 3,120
>Are you sure there may not be other reasons or circumstances involved in this . . .
Nope. We're winning; end of story. Why reconsider our strategy (or look deeper into any problems) if we are winning? Any problems, after all, are mirages; it's just the biased liberal media reporting only the bad news and ignoring the fact that Baghdad is more peaceful than Philadelphia. The best thing to do is stay on this winning course.
Nope. We're winning; end of story. Why reconsider our strategy (or look deeper into any problems) if we are winning? Any problems, after all, are mirages; it's just the biased liberal media reporting only the bad news and ignoring the fact that Baghdad is more peaceful than Philadelphia. The best thing to do is stay on this winning course.
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteWell that is it then. Increases in violence is loosing.
Then what is it? Winning? Neutral? Just a minor roadblock on the way to Victory?
rehmwa 2
Quote>Baghdad is more peaceful than Philadelphia. The best thing to do is stay on this winning course.
or move to Baghdad
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
billvon 3,120
>or move to Baghdad
I've heard the parking situation there has recently improved. But you won't hear about THAT in the biased liberal media, oh no. They're too busy reporting on the pentagon's lies.
I've heard the parking situation there has recently improved. But you won't hear about THAT in the biased liberal media, oh no. They're too busy reporting on the pentagon's lies.
Your "new" model is the same old thing, it's just that it used to be blatant for only one party and hidden for the other, now it's business as usual and in your face for both.
So I assume you also have issues with the fiscal policies of both parties - especially that they have a bloated number of expenses than needed drastic cutting - it's not the income side that's out of control, it's the spending side
as far as raising taxes helps vs raising taxes hurts, well, the left has a theory that focuses on the primary output variables, the right thinks the secondary effects are more powerful....Either is correct depending on the context and timing in the economy....But it's solely about how much to take in, not about what we spend it on.
The only way to reduce debt is to drastically reduce spending, not just slow down the rate of increase, make everyone a taxpayer and an owner in the economy (eliminate any kind of 0% tax bracket, even in lieu of a token tax just for) to eliminate a general and growing sense of "me me me". People need to understand that every dime the government spends isn't "free", it's comes out of all of our pockets.
all you partisan types are all fighting over income, not expenses and it's just the wrong focus
IMO of course
...
Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
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